Electric Hook Up Lead Plug - Is This A Problem? (1 Viewer)

KD

Feb 8, 2022
133
117
Funster No
86,796
MH
Swift Escape
We have noticed that there is now a gap between the cable sleeve and the plug:

1680301241335.png


It has not been pulled hard to our knowledge, so don't know how this has happened. The inside looks like this after unscrewing the grey end:

1680301380673.png


I'm assuming that the clamp is supposed to go around the sleeve? Can't take it back to the shop (well over a year old). Do we need to do something about this (I am guessing yes), and if so what? I'm not sure whether it is as simple as undoing the clamp, and pushing in the inner cables so they squish up a bit, and then clamping around the sleeve, or something more drastic?
 

Kannon Fodda

LIFE MEMBER
Feb 26, 2019
2,662
8,185
Seek and Ye May Find
Funster No
58,768
MH
Autotrail V-line 540
Exp
I Make Schoolboy Errors!
Outer orange sheath should have been within clamp.

Now it has pulled back the 3 wires will be too long even if the clamp is refitted and probably won't squeeze into the housing.

You will need a wire stripper to shorten the 3 inner wires and then refitted to the plug, and adjust the outer clamp.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

MisterB

LIFE MEMBER
Feb 25, 2018
6,107
13,695
Essex
Funster No
52,564
MH
Adria 670 SLT
Exp
enough to know i shouldnt touch things i know nothing about ....
I would take that white towel/cloth back definitely as it seems to have turned orange ..
 
Apr 7, 2022
698
2,231
34390 Saint-Étienne-d'Albagnan, France
Funster No
87,931
MH
Chausson Welcome 70
Exp
2016
We have noticed that there is now a gap between the cable sleeve and the plug:

View attachment 733884

It has not been pulled hard to our knowledge, so don't know how this has happened. The inside looks like this after unscrewing the grey end:

View attachment 733885

I'm assuming that the clamp is supposed to go around the sleeve? Can't take it back to the shop (well over a year old). Do we need to do something about this (I am guessing yes), and if so what? I'm not sure whether it is as simple as undoing the clamp, and pushing in the inner cables so they squish up a bit, and then clamping around the sleeve, or something more drastic?
I was always taught to keep the live (brown) short, the neutral (blue) slightly longer, and earth (green/yellow) the longest, as long as you have space to accommodate the slack.
That way if the cable does get pulled hard, it is the live that pulls out first disconnecting the circuit from the power while still having the neutral then finaly the earth still connected hopefully keeping you and your equipment safe.
 
Apr 27, 2016
6,954
8,125
Manchester
Funster No
42,762
MH
A class Hymer
Exp
Since the 80s
Once you've got the sheath back in the cable clamp and it's all secure, there's another consideration. These plugs are supposed to be weatherproof. IP44 = proof against splashes from any direction, it's written on the plug. I guess the cable sheath is a tight fit in the hole, so water can't get in easily. If it's not, there should be at least a rubber grommet or a clamp.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
May 31, 2015
11,833
45,244
Cornwall
Funster No
36,638
MH
Ducato PVC
Exp
Getting Better
Guys… if the op is asking this question then they may not be confident to re-wire it…
If that’s the case I would advise them to seek out a friend who could do it for you or a camping shop or dare I say a dealer will probably do it for you for a small charge….😎
 
Apr 7, 2022
698
2,231
34390 Saint-Étienne-d'Albagnan, France
Funster No
87,931
MH
Chausson Welcome 70
Exp
2016
I was always taught to keep the live (brown) short, the neutral (blue) slightly longer, and earth (green/yellow) the longest, as long as you have space to accommodate the slack.
That way if the cable does get pulled hard, it is the live that pulls out first disconnecting the circuit from the power while still having the neutral then finaly the earth still connected hopefully keeping you and your equipment safe.
Here is an image showing this technique on a standard 13A plug, but it is good practice on any power connection.
images(1).jpg
 
Apr 27, 2008
11,862
14,121
Eastbourne East Sussex
Funster No
2,327
MH
Hymer low profile
Exp
Since 1972
If in doubt find an elderly neighbour. In my young days nothing electrical came with a plug on. You always had to fit your own this was because there wasn't a single plug type. Might have needed a 5A round 3 pin, a 15A round 3 pin, a 5A 2 pin, square 13A 3 pin or even a bayonet plug.
 
Apr 7, 2022
698
2,231
34390 Saint-Étienne-d'Albagnan, France
Funster No
87,931
MH
Chausson Welcome 70
Exp
2016
If in doubt find an elderly neighbour. In my young days nothing electrical came with a plug on. You always had to fit your own this was because there wasn't a single plug type. Might have needed a 5A round 3 pin, a 15A round 3 pin, a 5A 2 pin, square 13A 3 pin or even a bayonet plug.
The most stupid thing (and I believe still the case) all 13A plugs that you buy, come with a 13A fuse, 90% of things that you want to fit it to, should have 3, 5 or 10A, fuses, but who (Including me) ever bother to change it. I think plugs ought to come without a fuse installed, but come with a free fuse of your choice.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

Tombola

LIFE MEMBER
Nov 21, 2020
4,969
16,095
Merseyside
Funster No
78,053
MH
Rapido 8094DF
Exp
Since 2004
The most stupid thing (and I believe still the case) all 13A plugs that you buy, come with a 13A fuse, 90% of things that you want to fit it to, should have 3, 5 or 10A, fuses, but who (Including me) ever bother to change it. I think plugs ought to come without a fuse installed, but come with a free fuse of your choice.
Good point....I thought the fuse is to protect the cable and damage from the ring main and most cables supplied on appliances in the UK are supplied rated for 13amp fuses. Though granted, most smaller appliances would only need smaller power draw.
 
Apr 7, 2022
698
2,231
34390 Saint-Étienne-d'Albagnan, France
Funster No
87,931
MH
Chausson Welcome 70
Exp
2016
The fuse is primarily there for fire safety, if a fault appears in an item, and it draws more that the expected amount of current, the fuse should blow. If you use an over rated fuse, the fault could cause more damage to the item, even causing it to catch fire without exceeding 13A.
 
Feb 14, 2021
3,765
8,127
Milton Keynes, UK
Funster No
79,219
MH
Burstner Lyseo 727G
Exp
19 month year 18000 miles UK, Ireland, France, Spain, Germany, Italy. Campsites and off Grid.
Feb 14, 2021
3,765
8,127
Milton Keynes, UK
Funster No
79,219
MH
Burstner Lyseo 727G
Exp
19 month year 18000 miles UK, Ireland, France, Spain, Germany, Italy. Campsites and off Grid.
The most stupid thing (and I believe still the case) all 13A plugs that you buy, come with a 13A fuse, 90% of things that you want to fit it to, should have 3, 5 or 10A, fuses, but who (Including me) ever bother to change it. I think plugs ought to come without a fuse installed, but come with a free fuse of your choice.

The fuse is primarily there for fire safety, if a fault appears in an item, and it draws more that the expected amount of current, the fuse should blow. If you use an over rated fuse, the fault could cause more damage to the item, even causing it to catch fire without exceeding 13A.

Except for many years appliances have come with a sealed plug attached and fuse to match the appliance already in the plug. Can you even buy plugs nowadays?

My vacuum cleaner stopped working recently and I worked out the cable was damaged near the plug. I chopped the cable off an then had to route around my garage for an old plug that I had taken of a dead fridge.
 
Aug 18, 2014
23,968
135,945
Lorca,Murcia,Spain
Funster No
32,898
MH
Transit PVC
Exp
16 years since restarting
Can you even buy plugs nowadays?
I have a tin with 60+ in along with various other 2 & 3 way adaptors that I have replaced with spanish plugs . All available at hugely extortionate rates if you can't buy them now a moderate price:LOL:
I am proposing to unload them all + assorted other tat give them to my daughter this summer when in the UK(y)

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
Apr 27, 2016
6,954
8,125
Manchester
Funster No
42,762
MH
A class Hymer
Exp
Since the 80s
Except for many years appliances have come with a sealed plug attached and fuse to match the appliance already in the plug. Can you even buy plugs nowadays?
The sealed plug is in fact a moulded plug, and there will before a way to take out and replace the fuse. Probably have to lever it out with a small screwdriver. Appliances with a UK plug need a fuse, and it should be user replaceable
 
Apr 27, 2008
11,862
14,121
Eastbourne East Sussex
Funster No
2,327
MH
Hymer low profile
Exp
Since 1972
Perhaps I am obsessive but I do replace the fuse with a 3A or 5A as needed. Most plugs I fit are recycled ones off dead appliances, but you can buy them.
Fuses are very cheap especially bought in bulk.
 
Feb 14, 2021
3,765
8,127
Milton Keynes, UK
Funster No
79,219
MH
Burstner Lyseo 727G
Exp
19 month year 18000 miles UK, Ireland, France, Spain, Germany, Italy. Campsites and off Grid.
The sealed plug is in fact a moulded plug, and there will before a way to take out and replace the fuse. Probably have to lever it out with a small screwdriver. Appliances with a UK plug need a fuse, and it should be user replaceable

Apologies for using the wrong terminology (just couldn't think of the correct term at the time) - and the rest is pretty obvious.
 

ctc

Oct 12, 2015
1,538
2,575
Crowle
Funster No
39,408
MH
Hymer b680
Exp
New
I was always taught to keep the live (brown) short, the neutral (blue) slightly longer, and earth (green/yellow) the longest, as long as you have space to accommodate the slack.
That way if the cable does get pulled hard, it is the live that pulls out first disconnecting the circuit from the power while still having the neutral then finaly the earth still connected hopefully keeping you and your equipment safe.
I was taught the same when I was an apprentice but now it's frowned upon mainly by people who don't understand safety.
 
May 26, 2016
1,383
4,591
north wales
Funster No
43,304
MH
low profile
Exp
moderate
I always remember that Blue rhymes with New-tral.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
May 8, 2011
3,902
49,020
God's county. Helmsley, North Yorkshire.
Funster No
16,317
MH
IH Tio 630 RL
Exp
Since April 1846 but have always camped.
If in doubt find an elderly neighbour. In my young days nothing electrical came with a plug on. You always had to fit your own this was because there wasn't a single plug type. Might have needed a 5A round 3 pin, a 15A round 3 pin, a 5A 2 pin, square 13A 3 pin or even a bayonet plug.
Gosh, you must be as old as me.🤣
 
Apr 7, 2022
698
2,231
34390 Saint-Étienne-d'Albagnan, France
Funster No
87,931
MH
Chausson Welcome 70
Exp
2016
Except for many years appliances have come with a sealed plug attached and fuse to match the appliance already in the plug. Can you even buy plugs nowadays?

My vacuum cleaner stopped working recently and I worked out the cable was damaged near the plug. I chopped the cable off an then had to route around my garage for an old plug that I had taken of a dead fridge.
I haven't lived in the UK for 17 years so i am a bit out of date regarding UK plug availability.
 
OP
OP
K

KD

Feb 8, 2022
133
117
Funster No
86,796
MH
Swift Escape
Hi all, many thanks to those who replied to my original question. Whilst everybody agreed that the orange sleeve needs to be in the clamp, there seemed to be a split opinion between squishing the rest inside the plug, and cutting down the inner wires. The first option seems to have worked fine, so I have gone with that.
 
OP
OP
K

KD

Feb 8, 2022
133
117
Funster No
86,796
MH
Swift Escape
Once you've got the sheath back in the cable clamp and it's all secure, there's another consideration. These plugs are supposed to be weatherproof. IP44 = proof against splashes from any direction, it's written on the plug. I guess the cable sheath is a tight fit in the hole, so water can't get in easily. If it's not, there should be at least a rubber grommet or a clamp.
Yes, the plug is tight around the orange sleeve now.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 

Join us or log in to post a reply.

To join in you must be a member of MotorhomeFun

Join MotorhomeFun

Join us, it quick and easy!

Log in

Already a member? Log in here.

Latest journal entries

Funsters who are viewing this thread

Back
Top