Ducato Service Records

[Folkranger]

Does anyone know if they are recorded digitally? 2017 Fiat Ducato

 

[activecampers]

I can't find these does anyone know if they are recorded digitally? 2017 Fiat Ducato

Don't know - but you can use MultiECUScan to see how many services its had, how many oil changes and last time it was done.

Problem is some people use cheaper garages or their local trusted who may not update ECU with details. I would also err caution here - there are vvvv important ECU updates that (AFAIK) only Fiat Pro can update. I know the non ad blue Euro 6 version *needs* the software updates else there is a high chance of future pain that can run into huge bills)

I know my MY20 160ps ducato runs *much* better after first service and ECU updates - much more torque, better MPG etc. (Or may be just after 1st service or just after 10,000km - who knows really lol). Prior to service I was verging on a rolling road session and complaining about the lack of torque low down, esp in high gears. Now - its a dream

 

[RandallC]

would suspect if serviced by FIAT dealer then yes if not, who knows unless you have receipts

 

[Stealaway]

I do all my own servicing (so it had never been near a garage) which basically means changing the oil ever two year's or every 16k miles.
I traded my last van in with a dealer at 58k miles and he had no interest what so ever in its service history.

 

[Speve]

If serviced by Fiat Professional dealer they keep records

 

[activecampers]

I do all my own servicing (so it had never been near a garage) which basically means changing the oil ever two year's or every 16k miles.
I traded my last van in with a dealer at 58k miles and he had no interest what so ever in its service history.

Just keep on top of dealers for ECU updates. As I said above, vans not getting the latest ECU update can suffer expensive damage (appears to be the non ad blue euro 6 ones on v30 of software with the issues)

 

[RedFrame]

Don't know - but you can use MultiECUScan to see how many services its had, how many oil changes and last time it was done.

Problem is some people use cheaper garages or their local trusted who may not update ECU with details.

Anyone with MultiECUScan can record services, set Oil changes, modify service intervals etc.

So checking this data does not mean it's been serviced by Fiat.

Cheers
Red.

 

[activecampers]

Anyone with MultiECUScan can record services, set Oil changes, modify service intervals etc.

So checking this data does not mean it's been serviced by Fiat.

Cheers
Red.

True.
But check the ECU software versions - v32 is the latest. v30 can be a problem

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[Stealaway]

Just keep on top of dealers for ECU updates. As I said above, vans not getting the latest ECU update can suffer expensive damage (appears to be the non ad blue euro 6 ones on v30 of software with the issues)

I've had the recall on the brake pipes problem.
The engine is Euro 6 but pre ad blue.
I'll check out the v30 software update

 

[Folkranger]

True.
But check the ECU software versions - v32 is the latest. v30 can be a problem

Looks like I need to dig out my OBD2 reader (Topdon) bought for an airbag fault with the last van standing during covid. When I got the van last year I was shocked by the frequency with which I had to change dow from top on motorways as I never had to do this on my 2014 ducato so maybe the version does need checking too.

 

[the1andonly]

True.
But check the ECU software versions - v32 is the latest. v30 can be a problem

Have you a source that v30 is a problem or just working on principle that vans with issues are switched to 32 ASAP service bulletin no xxxxx ( can't remember number and away from home) and are earlier versions ok?

 

[activecampers]

Have you a source that v30 is a problem or just working on principle that vans with issues are switched to 32 ASAP service bulletin no xxxxx ( can't remember number and away from home) and are earlier versions ok?

Only third hand from someone I know doing lots of research on the topic. See https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/d...ro-6-egr-changed-what-do-i-check-next.491167/ for one of the threads he is commenting on.

It *appears* the v30 software over fuels at times and can eventually clog the LP EGR which then fails the DPF and injectors and is a nightmare to troubleshoot and fix. v32 applied before the faults can prevent it.
Home or non fiat serviced vans may not have the software.

 

[activecampers]

Looks like I need to dig out my OBD2 reader (Topdon) bought for an airbag fault with the last van standing during covid. When I got the van last year I was shocked by the frequency with which I had to change dow from top on motorways as I never had to do this on my 2014 ducato so maybe the version does need checking too.

Airbag fault *tend* to be caused by low voltage and tend to require physical fix of ECU.

Mine MY20 160ps MWB with OEM 16" did the same - 6th was 65+ only and struggled on cruise - no real power till 1800-2000rpm. Torque graphs showed maximum torque should be there from 1500.
Driving on A style roads was 5th max.

Now, it'll potter at 50 in 6th, pull from 1500rpm in any gear, do mountain passes in a v lazy way. (fully laiden). Massive difference.
Only complaint is the gearing - the jump between 2-3 or 3-4 is a bit too much for steep mountain passes - but thats clearly physical and rare and may be down to the 16" wheels.

Last long trip averaged 27.5. Current long trip 32+ (and we're doing lots of climbs). Though first was winter (but flattter) - so does 5' vs 28' make a big difference? Again, can't be definitive.

I'm not 100% saying v32 update was the key, as the van had first service + ECU updates + it clocked 10,000km at the same time. So was it v32, or first service, or van changing map due to mileage/service? Hard to be definitive.

 

[Folkranger]

These are my 6th gear figures - as far as you can tell by eye.
50mph (gps) 1600rpm
60mph (gps) 1900rpm
70mph (gps) 2200rpm

I raised my concerns in ( https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/have-ducato-gears-got-higher.247004/ ) after my first trip away in this van last year because of a massive difference in performance with my previous 2014 Ducato where I never had to change down on motorways other than slow traffic. This one runs out of puff on the slightest of inclines at 55-60. I eventally put this down to the difference between 15" and 16" wheels, but was never convinced that this should make so much difference.

 

[the1andonly]

activecampers I have been involved with the P401 problem for a while and analysing data from a number of engines with donated mes data. Anyone with the dual egr engine and multiecuscan (or alfaobd) if you are prepared to run a few simple test or run mes with specific test parameters during normal use, I will be happy to review the data for you and to add to the database and wider understanding.

Anyone with v24, v26, v30 especially appreciated

 

[Folkranger]

Well, I know people try to help but they're not talking a language that I understand. I've googled software versions 30 and 32 and come up blank. Similarly I've found absoluely nothing about P401 problems, there is a plethora of P0401 though.

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[the1andonly]

Well, I know people try to help but they're not talking a language that I understand. I've googled software versions 30 and 32 and come up blank. Similarly I've found absoluely nothing about P401 problems, there is a plethora of P0401 though.

Sorry p401 just a shorthand , some have the habit of reducing it to 401.
One big problem for those with this code is that it is believed that Fiat is misusing it for the twin egr system. It typically is used for the egr valve eg the hpegr valve in a twin system but a number of people have found it to be a red herring.

 

[nicholsong]

When I read threads like this I am just thankful that I have got a 2.8Jtd (2003) without all the gizmos. Re-mapped to compensate for high 5th gear, runs up hills a dream.

My local commercial garage has serviced it well for 10+ years with no problems. If he says I need to change something, I do. If he says it is not necessary, I don't. For example, we pull the dipstick, smell, feel and look at the oil and then make a decision to change or not- if any doubt, change it. Same with hydraulic fluid and gearbox oil.

Getting through emissions check? Drive down the dual carriageway at 65mph, drop into 3rd for a mile(watch rpm limits) - emissions burned out.

IMO on a basic diesel engine the rest is b*llshit.

 

[Folkranger]

Sorry p401 just a shorthand , some have the habit of reducing it to 401.
One big problem for those with this code is that it is believed that Fiat is misusing it for the twin egr system. It typically is used for the egr valve eg the hpegr valve in a twin system but a number of people have found it to be a red herring.

See what I mean?

 

[Coolcats]

Does anyone know if they are recorded digitally? 2017 Fiat Ducato

Yes they are and if you create an account there is information held there as well.

 

[Suenliam]

Used to have a 2005 2.8jtd engine got it serviced when the book said or more frequently if it had been sat about (didn't do that much). Sweet as a nut for the 16 years we had it. I almost knew how it worked!
Now got a 2022 140bhp Euro6 C1 (whatever that is) and I'm terrified it will go wrong as so complicated together with the need for Adblue. Neither of us know one end of a testing machine from the other so I'm hoping we are near a Fiat Professional garage if and when the sensors decide to show themselves

 

[pagey]

Just keep on top of dealers for ECU updates. As I said above, vans not getting the latest ECU update can suffer expensive damage (appears to be the non ad blue euro 6 ones on v30 of software with the issues)

Please explain the problems I have a pre adblue euro 6

 

[activecampers]

Please explain the problems I have a pre adblue euro 6

See links above on fiat forum and info from the1andonly.

 

[Folkranger]

Yes they are and if you create an account there is information held there as well.

Sorry to sound so dim but where do you create an account? I've looked through the Fiat websites and can't find any such.

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[the1andonly]

Please explain the problems I have a pre adblue euro 6

From my perspective there are a few questions , this relates to the twin egr euro6 motor
The original problem occurred mainly with comformatics with relatively low milages or higher mileage manuals sometimes both p0401 and P0402 these can be misconstrued as the hpegr valves. The problem starts with fueling issues eg Injector issues or even air control with at least one example of wrong MAP Sensor factory fitted. The Lpegr cooler and dpf can get blocked and can be expensive to sort.
There have been various changes in the ecu software with egr openings charging from 2mm to 4.7mm. The temperature of the lpegr cooler is indicative of a problem/ working engine. The important things to monitor are Injector variations lpegr target v actual, lpegr temperature and dpf differential pressure sensor see screen shot above. The ecu software has changed a few times the Fiat view is v32 , my view is it was created to resove a problem and may be causing another. There is no evidence to support this view, but until I see evidence to change or a problem I will stay with v28 (March 19).
If anyone has had specific advice on this please share.

 

[Paul and Val]

Anyone with MultiECUScan can record services, set Oil changes, modify service intervals etc.

So checking this data does not mean it's been serviced by Fiat.

Cheers
Red.

In my experience very few garages outside of the main dealer network record services on the ECU although it is easy to do so.
It is probably not going to show a full record but the FIAT main dealer will have a record on the system.

 

[BILL 875]

Anyone with MultiECUScan can record services, set Oil changes, modify service intervals etc.

So checking this data does not mean it's been serviced by Fiat.

Cheers
Red.

 

[Coolcats]

Sorry to sound so dim but where do you create an account? I've looked through the Fiat websites and can't find any such.

The very top right of the web page you will see "My Fiat professional" click on that I think you need the VIN number to register and you can manage your MoHo from there.

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[U.Toadifact]

Doesn't work when I tried it. The "confirm" button does nothing.

 

[Folkranger]

The very top right of the web page you will see "My Fiat professional" click on that I think you need the VIN number to register and you can manage your MoHo from there.

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Thanks. Will try again