Cruciate damaged

Grianan

Grianan

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Got home yesterday from work to find Tim lifting standard labradoodle Yogi into car to take to vets.
He’d caught a leg whilst jumping a 5 bar gate. Couldn’t (still can’t) put any weight on it. He’s got liquid pain relief and was more cheerful this morning - he’s hopping more confidently and can at least get into bed, which he couldn’t last night.
Interested in any experiences with damaged cruciates.
We’re to give him a week and take him back.
We had just changed the insurance company 2 days previously. Should be covered as no break in insurance but hoping not to have you test that clause.
He’s 9.
 
My Jack Russell suffered the same injury last year in France. Didn’t improve with rest and X-ray showed torn CL. Surgery performed and he is back to normal but not allowed to chase a ball (his favourite pass time ☹️)
I’m glad I had insurance as the total cost from first seen by our local vet to being signed off by the specialist team was £4300!
 
Grianan said:
Got home yesterday from work to find Tim lifting standard labradoodle Yogi into car to take to vets.
He’d caught a leg whilst jumping a 5 bar gate. Couldn’t (still can’t) put any weight on it. He’s got liquid pain relief and was more cheerful this morning - he’s hopping more confidently and can at least get into bed, which he couldn’t last night.
Interested in any experiences with damaged cruciates.
We’re to give him a week and take him back.
We had just changed the insurance company 2 days previously. Should be covered as no break in insurance but hoping not to have you test that clause.
He’s 9.
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Poppy (Border Terrier) snapped 1 of her cruciates just over 2 years ago, she followed this about a year later with an 80% tear to the other. Both times she had an operation. I can't quite remember what was done but think some bone was removed to make the knee work properly without the ligament to facilitate it.
She is now 9 years old, on walks she's a potterer and was even before this happened. She still does the occasional fast running round the house & garden when chasing Harry and they also have their mock fights. We're careful not to let her go onto her back legs much and she does a puppy sit with her legs splayed to the side. We weren't insured and paid for both operations ourselves, luckily she was insured for breaking 4 bones in one foot as a 6 month puppy; now she has Cushings Disease which we're footing the daily medication bill for.
We were told at the time of the first one that once one goes its highly likely the other will as well, this may not be the case for Yogi as he did his in what seems like an accident rather than normal wear and tear.

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I hope he is feeling better soon xx
 
A longing long while ago (1976) my first Rottweiler Blossom ruptured two cruciate ligaments at the age of 1yr. As this was a brand new operation in those days I took her to Glasgow Vet School where she was operated on. First operation used a band of skin as a repair at a cost to me of £11 the second operation used an artificial ligament repair which cost me the magnificent amount of £18. She went on to make a complete recovery moving so well that she went on have a long successful show career. Personally speaking I would opt for the repair but not with a local vet one. I would take my dog to a Vet School every time. Poodle crosses tend to be rather lively and don't not generally take well to the amount of restricted rest required nor would I like my dog to be confined to a crate for the months necessary.
Good luck with whatever you decide on.
 
Fraggle 22 said:
Poodle crosses tend to be rather lively and don't not generally take well to the amount of restricted rest required nor would I like my dog to be confined to a crate for the months necessary.
Good luck with whatever you decide on.
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Thanks Fraggle 22 - that’s exactly my concern. Yogi’s raison d’être is yo chase sticks snd balls and jump gates - exactly how he got in this mess. He’s a real ‘play brain’.
Your post helps us work out what we need to discuss with the vet next week.
 
Grianan said:
Thanks Fraggle 22 - that’s exactly my concern. Yogi’s raison d’être is yo chase sticks snd balls and jump gates - exactly how he got in this mess. He’s a real ‘play brain’.
Your post helps us work out what we need to discuss with the vet next week.
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Good luck with him. If he were mine I would certainly ask for him to be referred to Glasgow. All operations are overseen by the professors and they also know all the latest treatments. I also used them for another Rottie with a badly broken leg. Well worth the, for me, long journey.
Get well soon Yogi.
 
My last greyhound put his foot down a rabbit hole and continued running tearing his cruciate ligament. He had a metal plate put in his leg and 6 months later was fine.
I think the layman's term for it is " open wallet surgery "!!!

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My Parson Terrier detached a CL nearly 4 years ago.
I didn't have insurance.
Cost about £3000.
 
Grianan said:
Got home yesterday from work to find Tim lifting standard labradoodle Yogi into car to take to vets.
He’d caught a leg whilst jumping a 5 bar gate. Couldn’t (still can’t) put any weight on it. He’s got liquid pain relief and was more cheerful this morning - he’s hopping more confidently and can at least get into bed, which he couldn’t last night.
Interested in any experiences with damaged cruciates.
We’re to give him a week and take him back.
We had just changed the insurance company 2 days previously. Should be covered as no break in insurance but hoping not to have you test that clause.
He’s 9.
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two of our chow chows snapped their crucial ligaments. first one had major open surgery and second key hole a few years later. First one wasnt insured but 2nd one was (you live and learn:giggle:). First one took ages to heal and was stiff in his old age but the key hole seemed to be much better and never caused any further problems. This was years ago now - must be 25/30 years and I would think the treatment will be greatly improved
 
Ralf our Border Terrier, 14yrs old tore his right back leg cruciate this time last year. Vet said to Old to operate, so we had to give him complete rest for months. We bought a dog buggy, which we still use, so we could get out with him.

With plenty of care it has healed as well as it could have done.

We have been taking him to Hydrotherapy since April this year and it seems to have done wonders, also helping his arthritis.

He seems to have got a new lease of life and we now do a mixture of walking and pushing him in the buggy, mainly uphill.
 
Smudger55 said:
Ralf our Border Terrier, 14yrs old tore his right back leg cruciate this time last year. Vet said to Old to operate, so we had to give him complete rest for months. We bought a dog buggy, which we still use, so we could get out with him.

With plenty of care it has healed as well as it could have done.

We have been taking him to Hydrotherapy since April this year and it seems to have done wonders, also helping his arthritis.

He seems to have got a new lease of life and we now do a mixture of walking and pushing him in the buggy, mainly uphill.
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Nice to hear a success story without operation. He’s 30kg so would be some weight to push uphill in a buggy!!
 
How is Yogi today?

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Had a cruciate ligament go playing rugby years ago. Nasty and painful but a very common sports injury. Healed over time with no ill effects and returned to played rugby again. Perhaps dogs may likewise self heal if you can stop them charging around!
 
Our 14 year old Jack Russell snapped his five days ago. He is a fit dog who normally swims every day, preferring that to long walks. Unfortunately we have had blue green algae at some of his swimming spots on the Norfolk broads and he had been chasing a ball some days instead of swimming. The rupture happened following a ball chasing game. He is booked in on the 19th September for surgery to tilt the angle of the joint and secure it with a plate. We are lucky to have specialist orthopaedic vets in Fakenham. We've given careful consideration to fact he is quite old for surgery but we don't want him to spend what time he has left dragging his back leg about and are concerned about the extra pressure it will put on the other rear leg. He's not insured so £600 for the emergency vet and x rays on a Sunday and a fixed fee of £4070 for the op. Wishing Yogi a speedy recovery.
 
angiep said:
Our 14 year old Jack Russell snapped his five days ago. He is a fit dog who normally swims every day, preferring that to long walks. Unfortunately we have had blue green algae at some of his swimming spots on the Norfolk broads and he had been chasing a ball some days instead of swimming. The rupture happened following a ball chasing game. He is booked in on the 19th September for surgery to tilt the angle of the joint and secure it with a plate. We are lucky to have specialist orthopaedic vets in Fakenham. We've given careful consideration to fact he is quite old for surgery but we don't want him to spend what time he has left dragging his back leg about and are concerned about the extra pressure it will put on the other rear leg. He's not insured so £600 for the emergency vet and x rays on a Sunday and a fixed fee of £4070 for the op. Wishing Yogi a speedy recovery.
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angiep wishing your wee boy a successful op too. The swimming will aid his recovery 🙏.
 
Grianan said:
Got home yesterday from work to find Tim lifting standard labradoodle Yogi into car to take to vets.
He’d caught a leg whilst jumping a 5 bar gate. Couldn’t (still can’t) put any weight on it. He’s got liquid pain relief and was more cheerful this morning - he’s hopping more confidently and can at least get into bed, which he couldn’t last night.
Interested in any experiences with damaged cruciates.
We’re to give him a week and take him back.
We had just changed the insurance company 2 days previously. Should be covered as no break in insurance but hoping not to have you test that clause.
He’s 9.
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Had cruciates op on my old German Spitz when he was about 11. He was sat on by my 50kg Bernese. He was old even then for a Spitz. He's now 16, and other than being a little stiff sometimes after sleeping on it he's as good as ever (for an old boy). Lots of luck.
 
That's good to hear. Our 14 year old is booked in for the 19th for his op.
 
angiep said:
That's good to hear. Our 14 year old is booked in for the 19th for his op.
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Still mates.
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Well a mini update. Had Yogi back at vet. It was a different vet who thought there was no improvement based on first vet’s notes but we said, although still not weight bearing, there is an improvement.
Discussed options. Interestingly she had a greyhound patient that had made full recovery on 8 weeks rest. Rest is 15 minute lead walks and no poodle capers but isn’t crate rest.
2 possible operations if we go down that route, one more specialised and costly than the other.
So we’re starting with 3 weeks rest. Stronger pain relief and review 20th September. We can see same vet again then so there is at least continuity.
 
A quick update.

As we could prove there was no break in cover, Petwise are honouring the insurance.

Yogi had X-rays today which showed minimal signs of arthritic changes in back legs do we are going ahead with TPLO surgery. Probably at East Neuk vets as highly recommended although over a hundred miles away. They can do it in my half term holiday.

Any advice over box rest afterward? I think we’ll need to buy a crate to stop him jumping up and to stop little dog jumping on him.

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A crate would help but it depends really on Yogi himself. If he wasn't crate trained as a baby he may resent it even with lots of distractions like food stuffed Kongs, bones , toys etc but another option if you have the space is to make a small area to confine him and keep his pal from instigating play. As I remember, my Blossom didn't have to be confined for very long after her ops but it was a long time ago ( 1976!) Good luck and fingers crossed for a full recovery quickly.
 
About ten years ago our vet said our cat had cruciate ligament problems in both back legs, the quoted cost was £300 for each knee. That seemed pretty expensive so I just had one knee repaired. I couldn't see any difference between the two legs after the operation, just as daft afterwards as before.
 
Lizbiebrowne said:
About ten years ago our vet said our cat had cruciate ligament problems in both back legs, the quoted cost was £300 for each knee. That seemed pretty expensive so I just had one knee repaired. I couldn't see any difference between the two legs after the operation, just as daft afterwards as before.
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Times that by 10 now - for a dog
 

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