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I’m a member of CMC (maybe not much longer) so periodically take a look at the Club Together forum to check out anything useful/interesting. Increasingly all you’ll find on some threads is swathes of ‘content deleted’ postings making it impossible to follow the thread. Not sure why all the apparent censorship, I’m sure debate and exchanges are no more robust than here, so maybe a bit OTT? Either way I’m glad it’s not like that here and it’s great to have an alternative that isn’t easily offended. Long may that continue, I like to be able to say ‘bollocks’ if I feel like it!
 
Paddywack said:
You'll find a fair few threads on here are also deleted.
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I don’t mind that so much, if the thread isn’t there you don’t miss it, but when it remains with great chunks missing it makes little sense. Looks like one of those ‘redacted’ government documents!
 
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I have just left The CMC after 4 years of membership, realising that we didn't use the website that much, and they just seem to focus too much on insurances.
I bet if you left any for of comment that was deemed as a neg, it would be removed, especially when their membership fees go up, along with exorbitant site fees.

As others have mentioned, they are still too much caravan club orientated, in that they dont offer non electric pitches with the appropriate discount for us that are self sufficient, and dont need an EHU, they still close too many sites in winter as tuggers maybe do not use them so much, yet they still have empty pitches at peak periods, because of No Shows.
They should charge a deposit to stop this like The CCC does, also consider offering an over 60 discount, as many grand parents take their grand kids away.
I did send them a message about this, and raise my issues at their exhibition stands, but my suggestions are never taken seriously, when they have fully booked sites (on the booking system), along with die hard life members.
Their whole offering needs to re-vamp, so you only pay for what you need and use.
LES

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I expect that deletion is because a named person has passed away. Even at the day they join most CMC folk have a short shelf life. ;)
 
I am a 45 year+ Member. And I have a lot of sympathy with the thoughts expressed here. My primary reason for staying is the fact alone that I make a lot of use of the C-L system. As due to our circumstances we make only limited use of "wilding", and equally limited use of the "Full Fat" sites often for reasons outlined above. There is a particularly large Cadre amongst the "Rallying" membership who are reluctant to face change, they are those who vote on any proposals. Hence the reason why very little will change. 90% or more of those who follow the various Centres, are caravanners, again, why changes are rare. It will need a seed change in the demographic before Motorhomes will get any real consideration. Remember the CC, IS a membership led organisation, yes, managed as a business, but nevertheless much of what is adopted is the result of proposals at AGM`s. I did "time" in the 70`s and 80`s on comitee for several centres as I moved with work, and the same faces where present at each AGM. Getting rid of old guard is not as easy as it seems on paper, and getting less so with the younger members not being willing to take "office". The bottom line IMV, is if you want change, you have to start by becoming involved at grass root level. If you don`t, then sorry, change will not happen, certainly not, in my lifetime.
 
PeteH said:
I am a 45 year+ Member. And I have a lot of sympathy with the thoughts expressed here. My primary reason for staying is the fact alone that I make a lot of use of the C-L system. As due to our circumstances we make only limited use of "wilding", and equally limited use of the "Full Fat" sites often for reasons outlined above. There is a particularly large Cadre amongst the "Rallying" membership who are reluctant to face change, they are those who vote on any proposals. Hence the reason why very little will change. 90% or more of those who follow the various Centres, are caravanners, again, why changes are rare. It will need a seed change in the demographic before Motorhomes will get any real consideration. Remember the CC, IS a membership led organisation, yes, managed as a business, but nevertheless much of what is adopted is the result of proposals at AGM`s. I did "time" in the 70`s and 80`s on comitee for several centres as I moved with work, and the same faces where present at each AGM. Getting rid of old guard is not as easy as it seems on paper, and getting less so with the younger members not being willing to take "office". The bottom line IMV, is if you want change, you have to start by becoming involved at grass root level. If you don`t, then sorry, change will not happen, certainly not, in my lifetime.
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Very well said. We use the CMC quite a bit for the convenience and you certainly do find some of a certain type on sites. Having said that, last time at Moreton in the Marsh - a huge site - nearly half were motorhomes, so things are changing. Slowly
 
DuxDeluxe said:
Very well said. We use the CMC quite a bit for the convenience and you certainly do find some of a certain type on sites. Having said that, last time at Moreton in the Marsh - a huge site - nearly half were motorhomes, so things are changing. Slowly
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Hi Dux
Yes, I agree there are many motor homes and camper vans on sites these days, and most CMC sites have provided Grey waste drain facilities. Baltic Wharf Bristol where we have spent the last two Xmases is a prime example, I would say 60/40 caravans to MH's.
Now due to close,This place was notoriously difficult to book, I am told, so why over the peak Xmas period when getting pitches was like drawing hens teeth, were there 6/7 empty pitches because of No Shows. Make all members pay a deposit which they forfeit if they dont give notice of them not requiring the pitch, give others that do a chance maybe. This is what every independent site does, along with The CCC.

The CMC made the announcement last year that site fees had to increase because of the rising energy costs, and I agree as most would, having seen our household bills increase especially electric at £0.16/7 per KWH. Why not then offer non electric pitches to those who can be self sufficient without them, that would instantly reduce pitch fees by £4/5 immediately. Or offer metered electric on all pitches, as this would make people think twice about their usage and discourage those that abuse it by placing fan heaters in their awnings permanently switched on to keep the dogs warm. I wouldn't mind a diddly squat what they did if they were paying for their own use, without the rest of us taking up the slack on the sites overall energy bill.

The CCC have small CS & even THS sites, all of which offer over 60 discounts, so why doesn't the CMC?

It was also intuitive to read PeteH summary of what goes on at The CMC AGM's, it doesn't really surprise me, but surely offering non electric pitches or better still metered pitches. as its a step that can be taken immediately to reduce the sites carbon footprint/bills. Then they can spend thousands on solar panels or planting more tress & hedgerows etc.

Thanks for listening folks, but they have just lost another member, how many MH members will follow?

LES
 
I gave up on the CMC forum when I mildly suggested the wifi was very slow, even poor, given that it had to be paid for and these days many sites offer better WIFI free inclusive of the pitch fee (though not all). The reaction was very stuck in the mud... who needs WIFI ... why shouldn't we charge you people wanting it, ... why should we all pay for it on your behalf etc.

I tried to point out that WIFI is inevitably going to be viewed as a basic provision going forward, probably more important than electric to some motorhomes. Most bookings are made through the internet, or at least the internet used to chose a site. Therefore, if the CMC didn't get with the programme it would be harmed.

People just got very angry!
 
TinaL said:
Hi Dux
Yes, I agree there are many motor homes and camper vans on sites these days, and most CMC sites have provided Grey waste drain facilities. Baltic Wharf Bristol where we have spent the last two Xmases is a prime example, I would say 60/40 caravans to MH's.
Now due to close,This place was notoriously difficult to book, I am told, so why over the peak Xmas period when getting pitches was like drawing hens teeth, were there 6/7 empty pitches because of No Shows. Make all members pay a deposit which they forfeit if they dont give notice of them not requiring the pitch, give others that do a chance maybe. This is what every independent site does, along with The CCC.

The CMC made the announcement last year that site fees had to increase because of the rising energy costs, and I agree as most would, having seen our household bills increase especially electric at £0.16/7 per KWH. Why not then offer non electric pitches to those who can be self sufficient without them, that would instantly reduce pitch fees by £4/5 immediately. Or offer metered electric on all pitches, as this would make people think twice about their usage and discourage those that abuse it by placing fan heaters in their awnings permanently switched on to keep the dogs warm. I wouldn't mind a diddly squat what they did if they were paying for their own use, without the rest of us taking up the slack on the sites overall energy bill.

The CCC have small CS & even THS sites, all of which offer over 60 discounts, so why doesn't the CMC?

It was also intuitive to read PeteH summary of what goes on at The CMC AGM's, it doesn't really surprise me, but surely offering non electric pitches or better still metered pitches. as its a step that can be taken immediately to reduce the sites carbon footprint/bills. Then they can spend thousands on solar panels or planting more tress & hedgerows etc.

Thanks for listening folks, but they have just lost another member, how many MH members will follow?

LES
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Spot on there, Les.... (y) (y) (y)
 
TinaL said:
Hi Dux
Yes, I agree there are many motor homes and camper vans on sites these days, and most CMC sites have provided Grey waste drain facilities. Baltic Wharf Bristol where we have spent the last two Xmases is a prime example, I would say 60/40 caravans to MH's.
Now due to close,This place was notoriously difficult to book, I am told, so why over the peak Xmas period when getting pitches was like drawing hens teeth, were there 6/7 empty pitches because of No Shows. Make all members pay a deposit which they forfeit if they dont give notice of them not requiring the pitch, give others that do a chance maybe. This is what every independent site does, along with The CCC.

The CMC made the announcement last year that site fees had to increase because of the rising energy costs, and I agree as most would, having seen our household bills increase especially electric at £0.16/7 per KWH. Why not then offer non electric pitches to those who can be self sufficient without them, that would instantly reduce pitch fees by £4/5 immediately. Or offer metered electric on all pitches, as this would make people think twice about their usage and discourage those that abuse it by placing fan heaters in their awnings permanently switched on to keep the dogs warm. I wouldn't mind a diddly squat what they did if they were paying for their own use, without the rest of us taking up the slack on the sites overall energy bill.

The CCC have small CS & even THS sites, all of which offer over 60 discounts, so why doesn't the CMC?

It was also intuitive to read PeteH summary of what goes on at The CMC AGM's, it doesn't really surprise me, but surely offering non electric pitches or better still metered pitches. as its a step that can be taken immediately to reduce the sites carbon footprint/bills. Then they can spend thousands on solar panels or planting more tress & hedgerows etc.

Thanks for listening folks, but they have just lost another member, how many MH members will follow?

LES
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Agree with all of that, but in fairness to them there are some so-called eco pitches bookable without EHU. Trewethett Farm at Tintagel is one example, but I don’t think it’s a widespread option at other sites?
The eco-pitches at Tintagel are all grass and a bit of a hike from the facilities, but fabulous location on the cliff top directly overlooking the Atlantic and coastline. Not one for those with mobility problems tho’.

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We spent almost 30 years in the old CMC but found we almost never used them. It was just a fee we renewed in case we wanted to camp. Since leaving we have missed nothing but have had a couple of decent meals out on the savings.
 
TinaL said:
I have just left The CMC after 4 years of membership, realising that we didn't use the website that much, and they just seem to focus too much on insurances.
I bet if you left any for of comment that was deemed as a neg, it would be removed, especially when their membership fees go up, along with exorbitant site fees.

As others have mentioned, they are still too much caravan club orientated, in that they dont offer non electric pitches with the appropriate discount for us that are self sufficient, and dont need an EHU, they still close too many sites in winter as tuggers maybe do not use them so much, yet they still have empty pitches at peak periods, because of No Shows.
They should charge a deposit to stop this like The CCC does, also consider offering an over 60 discount, as many grand parents take their grand kids away.
I did send them a message about this, and raise my issues at their exhibition stands, but my suggestions are never taken seriously, when they have fully booked sites (on the booking system), along with die hard life members.
Their whole offering needs to re-vamp, so you only pay for what you need and use.
LES
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Why should grandparents taking grandkids away make it necessary to offer a discount presumably it will most likely be in school holidays when theres more demand. If I were a family paying full whack and next to me were some grandparents on a discount I wouldn't be too pleased.
 
I agree with the op they removed my post. I spent a good 30 mins writing it (yes it was a critical letter) with all the problems I had with their supposedly member friendly new booking system. I also agree they are way too disconnected with the motorhome fraternity. They begrudgingly give very little space in their monthly magazine, I think it is time to move on. Does anyone here belong to Motocaravaning Club if so do they have all the discount booking services for ferries and sites etc.
 
The Wino said:
Why should grandparents taking grandkids away make it necessary to offer a discount presumably it will most likely be in school holidays when theres more demand. If I were a family paying full whack and next to me were some grandparents on a discount I wouldn't be too pleased.
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Yes, good point, maybe I was considering that many grandparents do not have a massive amount to spend on enjoying quality time, while they can, with their grand kids, apposed to working parents doing the same, different views to look at this I guess.
However the fact that The CCC offer over 60,s discounts & The CMC does not, begs a question, surely.
I will leave that case with the jury to decide, I dont have grand kids, so no vested interest from me, just pointing out the subtle differences that may be a deal clincher with one club & not the other.
Thanks
LES

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TinaL said:
It was also intuitive to read @PeteH summary of what goes on at The CMC AGM's, it doesn't really surprise me, but surely offering non electric pitches or better still metered pitches. as its a step that can be taken immediately to reduce the sites carbon footprint/bills. Then they can spend thousands on solar panels or planting more tress & hedgerows etc.
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The CMC is not interested in reducing its carbon footprint. I once wrote to suggest they erect washing lines near the laundry facilities. I thought it was a cheap and environmentally-friendly alternative to using electric tumble driers, but they used the old "Health & Safety hazard" as an excuse and even suggested that people could walk into the lines and injure themselves.
I don't know why they couldn't be honest with me and admit they want us to use their very expensive and inefficient tumble driers.
 
Having spoken to several wardens who work for the cmc, there was horror in the ranks, when the name was changed to include 'motorhome'.
However, some thought the camping was just for caravans, and they have many more motorhomes pitching up now.
As for bookings, I assume most of the committee are old retired fogeys, who don't like change, and they are the ones who want to retain the no deposit booking system.
Having worked at ccc sites, you get very few no shows, I'd say 1 in a hundred, if that, for genuine reasons, and as such, we try to accommodate them with a later booking.
 
KiwiKampers said:
The CMC is not interested in reducing its carbon footprint. I once wrote to suggest they erect washing lines near the laundry facilities. I thought it was a cheap and environmentally-friendly alternative to using electric tumble driers, but they used the old "Health & Safety hazard" as an excuse and even suggested that people could walk into the lines and injure themselves.
I don't know why they couldn't be honest with me and admit they want us to use their very expensive and inefficient tumble driers.
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They are a bit health & safety obsessive. They love to put signs on everything warning you of potential hazards e.g. ‘danger hot water’ on the hot water tap. Saved me from serious injury many times!
 
Captain Pants said:
They are a bit health & safety obsessive. They love to put signs on everything warning you of potential hazards e.g. ‘danger hot water’ on the hot water tap. Saved me from serious injury many times!
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Was it not McDonalds that had to put "Warning, contents maybe hot" on their coffee cups after someone sued cos they didnt know coffee would be that hot;):rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Zigisla said:
Was it not McDonalds that had to put "Warning, contents maybe hot" on their coffee cups after someone sued cos they didnt know coffee would be that hot;):rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Shame McDonalds don’t have signs like ‘warning, morons throwing litter out of car windows will be shot dead without mercy’.
 
Captain Pants said:
They are a bit health & safety obsessive. They love to put signs on everything warning you of potential hazards e.g. ‘danger hot water’ on the hot water tap. Saved me from serious injury many times!
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Jim said:
Show me a company that isn't these days.
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You simply have to be...... otherwise you are meat and gravy for injurylawyersforyou.com (other ambulance chasing leeches are available)
 
Interesting reading. Exactly the same problems as when we were caravanning over 25 years ago. My main complaint was the was the block booking at the beginning of the year of the best sites by retired members. That meant that we were rarely, if ever able to book on a whim a few days in advance, which was best for us as we had a young family. The only reason I stayed with them was because of the Red Pennant insurance for when we went down to France once a year. At the time there was no alternative that was as good and as cheap.

When I started motorhoming a few years ago I decided to join the CCC and not the CC (as it then was) for those reasons. And I am still happy with that decision.

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