Chip/Remap

Aug 29, 2010
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I have a 67 plate Ducato Multijet2 Euro VI 130. OK as far as it goes but lacks torque when tackling mountainous hairpins, where the revs drop off and the turbo does not kick in. Seems sadly sluggish compared to the 3.0l Iveco lump in my last van. Just wondering whether to remap or chip. I know the cautionary tales told of clutch wear after remapping for more torque but what is the difference between the 130 and 150 Euro VI? Is it just the Fiat ECU programme? In which case the drive train is the same, presumably. Anyone with info?
 
Sep 26, 2013
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My experience has been to not let the revs drop below 2000 when climbing, as far as a remap goes I had it done once but would not bother again.
 
May 7, 2016
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I think the 150 is 11kg heavier so likely to be a bit more than just ecu settings. Possibly a larger turbo?
 

Lenny HB

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I have a 67 plate Ducato Multijet2 Euro VI 130. OK as far as it goes but lacks torque when tackling mountainous hairpins, where the revs drop off and the turbo does not kick in. Seems sadly sluggish compared to the 3.0l Iveco lump in my last van. Just wondering whether to remap or chip. I know the cautionary tales told of clutch wear after remapping for more torque but what is the difference between the 130 and 150 Euro VI? Is it just the Fiat ECU programme? In which case the drive train is the same, presumably. Anyone with info?
Yep, that's what 130's do, our first van was a 130, practically stalls on hairpin bends on a 1 in 6.
The 150 has a variable vane turbo and it's fine on mountain roads, much easier to drive.
 
Sep 16, 2016
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We had our 110BHP Peugeot remapped when we bought our Elddis 175 secondhand and it has made a big difference in power and driveability. Ours has been remapped with a Quantum map produced for the 110BHP Peugeot, as for the old chestnut re the clutch, it's down to how the driver treats the clutch. Ride it at traffic lights, hill junctions and racing gear changes and you can expect to bugger it.
 
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tony_g
Aug 29, 2010
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Yep, that's what 130's do, our first van was a 130, practically stalls on hairpin bends on a 1 in 6.
The 150 has a variable vane turbo and it's fine on mountain roads, much easier to drive.
Thanks Lenny HB , now you tell me! Just need a heavier right boot in neutral when changing down. Probably knacker the clutch spinning the revs up and dropping into gear!
 
Feb 15, 2014
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We had our 110BHP Peugeot remapped when we bought our Elddis 175 secondhand and it has made a big difference in power and driveability. Ours has been remapped with a Quantum map produced for the 110BHP Peugeot, as for the old chestnut re the clutch, it's down to how the driver treats the clutch. Ride it at traffic lights, hill junctions and racing gear changes and you can expect to bugger it.
a customer at work had a quantum remap on his ducato autotrail and reckons on 5mpg better fuel consumption so it paid for itself on one european trip, so just had my X244 2.8 ducato done to hopefully gain some mpg and power
 
Sep 16, 2016
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a customer at work had a quantum remap on his ducato autotrail and reckons on 5mpg better fuel consumption so it paid for itself on one european trip, so just had my X244 2.8 ducato done to hopefully gain some mpg and power
We are getting better fuel consumption, but did not want to say through fear of getting slagged of from the "you can't get more power without using more fuel" brigade. :rofl::rofl:
 
Feb 15, 2014
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my mate just had a quantum remap on his bmw 116 and the trip computer showed 68.8mpg on a 150 mile trip
 
Jul 29, 2017
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Can't comment on the rechip question but can confirm that the turbo on 150 bhp engine is different to 130 bhp. If thinking of changing turbo I believe other changes are needed.
 
Jan 8, 2013
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Beware that the Ducato clutch is not the best one in the world.
It can fail after only 35000 miles --- especially on mountain hairpins :Eeek:
 
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tony_g
Aug 29, 2010
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It's not mpg I am all that concerned about, it's torque. My last van, Laika A class, 3.0l Fiat/Iveco engine had a clutch go in the mountains in Portugal. Not the friction material, some sort of mechanical failure (my Portuguese not good!). But that was at the end of 60,000 hard miles.
 
May 5, 2014
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TDI reprogrammed the box and it’s now fitted to our new A Class with 3.0lt engine and Comfortmatic gearbox. No more sitting duck on motorway inclines.

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tony_g
Aug 29, 2010
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Just another thought. Having now learned that the turbo.on the 150bhp 2.3 is different to the one on the 130bhp, is it the same clutch on both or different. If the same, surely the cautionary tales about increasing torque via a remap and wearing out the clutch are misplaced (accepting that the Ducato clutch is a bit iffy in any case). Wouldn't there be more 150's requiring earlier clutch replacement than 130's. Or perhaps there are? Any ideas out there?
 
May 29, 2019
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Changing the power means you're outside of the conditions of your insurance contract, meaning it is void, meaning at the first serious accident your life as you know it is basically over. Whether you provoked the accident or not, you'll be declared responsible of the accident because your vehicle is not approved for road driving anymore.

Don't count on no one checking your engine. If the accident is serious with serious liabilities, they check everything.
 

funflair

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Changing the power means you're outside of the conditions of your insurance contract, meaning it is void, meaning at the first serious accident your life as you know it is basically over. Whether you provoked the accident or not, you'll be declared responsible of the accident because your vehicle is not approved for road driving anymore.

Don't count on no one checking your engine. If the accident is serious with serious liabilities, they check everything.
You could just inform them and 99% of the time they just make a note and all is OK.

Martin
 
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Wow, that is very different from what is written in our insurance contracts. So it appears your insurance covers it, great.

Here we also have to redo the approval process to make the vehicle legal on road. Since you (still) have a EU Certificate of Conformity, I really doubt it is that simple.
 

funflair

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Wow, that is very different from what is written in our insurance contracts. So it appears your insurance covers it, great.

Here we also have to redo the approval process to make the vehicle legal on road. Since you (still) have a EU Certificate of Conformity, I really doubt it is that simple.
I take it you are in the Netherlands, I don't know of anybody in the UK who has had a problem getting insurance cover whilst declaring the remap/chip, our van is too old for a certificate of conformance but many are newer than ours and have been chipped/mapped.

When we talked to a dealer in Germany re a trade in they said that they would have to rewrite the map back to standard before they could sell it.

Martin
 
Sep 17, 2017
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Generally it makes little to no difference to insurance as long as the claimed increase is below about 20%, but it does depend on the insurer.

Watch out for chip tune boxes claiming massive mpg improvements, figures that you may even see from the trip computer. The problem is, the boxes fit between the ECU and the injectors and modify the signals to alter performance. So the ECU might not have an accuracy picture of how much fuel is being used. They can improve economy, but probably not as much as they claim.
 
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tony_g
Aug 29, 2010
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Nuneaton. Only when I have to.
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Changing the power means you're outside of the conditions of your insurance contract, meaning it is void, meaning at the first serious accident your life as you know it is basically over. Whether you provoked the accident or not, you'll be declared responsible of the accident because your vehicle is not approved for road driving anymore.

Don't count on no one checking your engine. If the accident is serious with serious liabilities, they check everything.
Tell your insurer and record the answer. Mostly, they don't mind.
 
May 7, 2016
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If I have understood the previous few posts most UK insurance companies are not too concerned about remapping, as long as you tell them. BUT your Certificate of Conformity will no longer be valid and the trip computer will tell you porkies.
 
May 5, 2014
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The only reason I fitted a tuning box to our Motorhome was to improve the torque, which it did as mentioned in my previous post. This improved the driving experience and gave more confidence when overtaking slow lorries on motorway inclines.
It was never the intention nor should it be to improve the top speed of a Motorhome.
That is why our insurance company were absolutely fine with the tuning box.
 
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