Carthago liner for two

[Mr porky]

Hi does anyone own this model as we saw one in Spain and liked the idea and concept of the model.
also carthago as a brand any views please. (Good or bad)

 

[Wagoneer]

It's ok I suppose if you've got £130k gathering dust and don't want a rear garage to carry a scooter.

 

[Mr porky]

It's ok I suppose if you've got £130k gathering dust and don't want a rear garage to carry a scooter.

And carthago as a brand ?

 

[addoaddo]

We very nearly brought one but ended up getting a Carthago e-line 51QB
The quality is the same as the liner for two which is very good but a traditional layout. At the end of the day we could not justify they extra cost of a liner for two even though we lover the layout.

If buying new (we brought 3 years old) expect to have to add a lot of extras to get the van you want. The basic price is misleading. A liner for two will likely cost you £150K

Second hand prices are very high as there are not many around and a very sensible layout.

 

[Hellski]

£130k being base price!

The liner for two is a stunning motorhome with a great and well designed layout. If you went for the Iveco you would be able to fit a scooter in the garage. However, with the Fiat I believe it's not possible but you can fit two full size bikes.

Carthago as a brand is excellent. Admittedly, you'll get some that will say they've had endless problems, after all they are built by humans. As a whole, they have a great reputation, everything about them is quality and extremely solid in construction.

Go and a have a look, you won't be disappointed with the brand even if the layout of the liner for two doesn't suit you

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[Ditcha]

The 53 models are tight on garage space available on the ducato and iveco 50C chassis I have read reports that the front axle is close to max allowance especially on the ducato, the 53L is available on ducato (alko tandem axle) and iveco 65 you can get a scooter in both these versions

 

[canopus]

Im always intrigued as to why there are so many newish low mileage Carthago's for sale if they are so good.

 

[G7UXG]

I’m on my 2nd Carthago. When I swapped, I bought another Carthago because I couldn’t find anything better for the money. Both have been solidly built and the quietest riding motorhomes I have owned... very few rattles and squeaks, unlike my two Autotrails, which were very noisy. Also quieter than a Hymer that I owned prior to the first Carthago.

If I wanted to swap again and could afford it, I’d probably go for a Liner for Two.

 

[Ditcha]

Im always intrigued as to why there are so many newish low mileage Carthago's for sale if they are so good.

Yeah my thought to there is a lot for sale mostly new as well

 

[Mr porky]

The 53 models are tight on garage space available on the ducato and iveco 50C chassis I have read reports that the front axle is close to max allowance especially on the ducato, the 53L is available on ducato (alko tandem axle) and iveco 65 you can get a scooter in both these versions

we wanted To get under 8m and we have noticed abroad we don’t use the scooter as much, however since We have been in the uk and will be all summer the scooter will be used a lot more as we have been booking campsites that are not necessarily close to local amenities.
quandary but maybe after reading the recent e-bike thread perhaps that may be the way to go.

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[Robert Clark]

Frankia also have a similar layout

FRANKIA PLATIN

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As do Concorde if memory serves me right

 

[Ditcha]

we wanted To get under 8m and we have noticed abroad we don’t use the scooter as much, however since We have been in the uk and will be all summer the scooter will be used a lot more as we have been booking campsites that are not necessarily close to local amenities.
quandary but maybe after reading the recent e-bike thread perhaps that may be the way to go.

There is still a chance you could get your scooter in the seating area lifts up to supply more headroom for handle bars and there is also a wheel well in the garage floor, a lot of van at under 7.8m if you look at the ducato go for the 4.8t with air suspension the 4.5t standard won't give you much payload, coupled to the new auto as well.

 

[15edward]

I thought this was a really good layout and since seeing it at NEC have tried to find other motorhomes with this drop down split bed
the Hymer Duo mobil is I understand discontinued ( is that correct?)
and so far I’ve found the Frankia 680 and 740
all of them way above our budget!
when did these split drop downs first appear does anyone know?

 

[Ditcha]

I thought this was a really good layout and since seeing it at NEC have tried to find other motorhomes with this drop down split bed
the Hymer Duo mobil is I understand discontinued ( is that correct?)
and so far I’ve found the Frankia 680 and 740
all of them way above our budget!
when did these split drop downs first appear does anyone know?

Dethleffs was one of the first to use this layout.

 

[Ditcha]

we wanted To get under 8m and we have noticed abroad we don’t use the scooter as much, however since We have been in the uk and will be all summer the scooter will be used a lot more as we have been booking campsites that are not necessarily close to local amenities.
quandary but maybe after reading the recent e-bike thread perhaps that may be the way to go.

Forgot to add the garage is bigger on the 53 Ivec 50c version but keeps the 7.8m length

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[15edward]

Thanks for that - I’d appreciate a suggestion of which models when I start a mobile.de search if you could

 

[Ditcha]

Thanks for that - I’d appreciate a suggestion of which models when I start a mobile.de search if you could

I think it is the Alpha models think Bustup15 has one.

 

[15edward]

Thank you

 

[funflair]

I was moved to take a photo of one at Dusseldorf a couple of years ago so it must have been nice.

You will have to excuse Mrs funflair trying it for comfort, Robert is right there are quite a few doing it now, I think it was PhoeniX we first saw it in but there are others Concorde, Frankia, Hymer etc. The downside for us was the lack of garage space but you get a cracking kitchen.

Nothing wrong with Carthago except we find them a bit "bling" but that's just personal taste.

Martin

 

[Wagoneer]

Im always intrigued as to why there are so many newish low mileage Carthago's for sale if they are so good.

Many seem to be bought by people reaching retirement without any previous experience of camping. They want to buy into the "dream". After a short time they realise the "dream" is not for them.

Also, many newbies buy vans based on a 3500kg chassis and are attracted by the huge garage. Only to realise later they need greater payload to transport their scooter etc.

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[Minxy]

Im always intrigued as to why there are so many newish low mileage Carthago's for sale if they are so good.

I suspect its partly down to those who have them aren't at the younger end of the age spectrum so not in any rush to drive around all over the place within a very limited holiday period (ie have to go back to work after 2 weeks), so probably stay in one place longer thus less mileage but probably staying in it longer, that's why you should never 'assume' that a low mileage motorhome has had very little use.

We were in the mind frame of upping sticks virtually every day when away but on our last holiday we stayed a few days here and there, something we'd not done before, so our mileage was less than it would otherwise have been if we'd followed our previous holiday routine, as a consequence we had a much more relaxing break.

 

[Bustup15]

I think it is the Alpha models think Bustup15 has one.

Hi
We have an Alpa I 7820-2, 8.4 metres and rated @ 5400kg on a tag axle. Massive rear lounge that can convert into a very large king but we have never used it for that. Drop down over cab can be used as long singles or again a very large king and with proper steps up not an aluminium ladder.

It's our first motorhome and thankfully we are very happy with the layout, quality, space and general fit out. Purchased LHD in Germany at a substantial saving to quoted U.K. dealer prices.

Things I would change if doing it again, not much to be fair. Probably only lithium batteries, I've added additional USB sockets, lighting to garage, a B2B, Thetford extractor, 4G aerial but nothing major.

Your issue may be the garage height as we carry 2 push bikes and drop off the front wheels to store them upright. I wish they had made the vehicle taller and provided a full height garage but it's a minor issue for me.

 

[138go]

We've just bought a 138. It's just right for us as we can forget about the C1. It looks a lovely motorhome and has everything we need.

 

[Minxy]

We've just bought a 138. It's just right for us as we can forget about the C1. It looks a lovely motorhome and has everything we need.

Don't want to rain on your parade but have you had it weighed to check what payload you've got left, especially on the rear axle?

 

[138go]

Thanks we're on to our fourth motorhome, so well versed in payloads.

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[Rapphil]

If you consider taking any passengers have a look at the travel arrangements, I think it’s the bigger Concord has two rear facing seats and the Frankia I’m sure is the one where you have two under the rear floor DIY build seats that do not seem exactly convenient. Also I think has been mentioned elsewhere before you may have a different view to others if required to reverse onto pitch. BUT excellent daytime space over some other A class.

 

[Solwaybuggier]

We’re very happy with our far more modest Carthago and the general build quality - but the OP needs to be aware of payload. There was a thread a few months back where a first-time buyer ordered a Fiat-based Liner for Two, went crazy with the options list and ended up with little or no payload. They swapped it for an Iveco version at great expense, but worth bearing in mind.

 

[TinaLes]

When I was last down at our Carthago dealer, I enquired about the 2 liners for Two they had sold that year, simply because one was priced, if I remember correctly, at £168K, and the second one was £199K
The answer I was given was the Liner For Two @£168K was on an Iveco Chassis, and the £199K was on a merc.
When they first came out we looked at one at a Warners Show, it was priced at £135K, but was told to get it specked up to include the "option packs" would push the cost to £150K.
IMO, It will be a while before they come on The SH market, and being rare, I bet they hold their price.
LES

 

[Andrew B]

I have recently bought a Carthago e line 53QB (7.9metres). We have travelled Scotland extensively towing a Scoda Citigo with a tow frame from Armitages of Pontefract. In this way we can stay quite a while in luxury on a campsite and go out everyday in the Citigo going to places the motorhome would never reach before moving on. When we thought of towing the car it was quite daunting but in practice you hardly notice it is there apart from the rear camera confirming it! It uses a bit more diesel but is well worth it and if you are short on payload then you can put stuff in the car.

 

[Pausim]

And carthago as a brand ?

Excellent

Im always intrigued as to why there are so many newish low mileage Carthago's for sale if they are so good.

Because they hold their value and sell quickly. The dealers are happy to dangle a good p/ex against a new one without the risk of it sitting on their forecourt for long. The important figure is the cost of trading up not the listed price.

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