Burstner price increase as from 15th October

[Coolcats]

Did anyone else see the announcement that Burstner are increasing the cost of a new Motorhome by 7% due to the cost of raw materials as from the 15th October

 

[Stealaway]

I wouldn't be surprised and they don't need any excuse.
Supply and demand will determine market prices as always, they are only in it for the money.

 

[Coolcats]

, they are only in it for the money.

How strange and unique

 

[Pablotti]

Inflation, forex fluctuations, supply chain complications, and businesses working towards a target margin. It's understandable.
I'm glad we got our order in before the price hike.

 

[ontheroadagain]

Surely the bubble will burst soon.
I looked at our local dealers web site yesterday and couldn't believe some of the prices.
Our first motorhome was an Elddis Accordo purchased new for £38K Dec 2016.
Our local dealer has a 2016 model for sale for over £40K
Most new Burstners, Rapidos etc are now starting at £75 to £80K
There cant be many people who are willing to spent that sort of money on a leisure vehicle.
Note - Our local dealer is also stating a further increase on 1st Nov on all Burstner motorhomes.

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[Lenny HB]

Most new Burstners, Rapidos etc are now starting at £75 to £80K
There cant be many people who are willing to spent that sort of money on a leisure vehicle.

I think you might be in the minority thinking that, just look at the about of new ones on the road. We are not rich but don't mind spend our dosh on a Motorhome.

 

[Pablotti]

I think you might be in the minority thinking that, just look at the about of new ones on the road. We are not rich but don't mind spend our dosh on a Motorhome.

Exactly the same here. Hard earned, but well spent.

 

[AG 2602]

Most items you buy big or small will be increasing by a minimum 7% especially if they are out of the far east which would include any component parts.
Labour costs are increasing
Transport costs are increasing
Raw material costs are increasing

Some of these costs will have to be passed on to the end consumers and some brands will look to reduce certain costs by using cheaper materials.

Bottom line is we will be paying more for most things we buy...

 

[raysalaugh]

Some 2022 conversions have already started to look scaled back.

 

[Westbarn1]

Plus 10K euro on the price of Mercedes based Hymer vehicles.

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[ontheroadagain]

I think you might be in the minority thinking that, just look at the about of new ones on the road.

Perhaps I am in the minority in thinking that £75 - £80K is a lot to spend on a leisure vehicle.
Most (non motorhoming) people I know and work with, would think that that is a crazy amount of money to spend.
I just think that at some stage sales will fall away due to potential buyers not being prepared to spend that amount of money.
When a motorhome that cost £65K two years ago is now £75 or £80K, at what point do people start saying no?
Perhaps we are still 12 to 18 months away from that happening.

 

[vzac]

Local dealer we are buying our second hand burstner from, has loafs of Laika 2021 models unsold, all starting around £70k upto £114k. Personally I think the 70 plus is a more difficult area for lots of people to justify, especially with so much competition below that price and a lot of new people coming on board moho, are not aware of some of the pitfalls of some of the cheap vans, that look nice, and marketed (bs by some) well !!.
Hey ho got mine, not my problem.

 

[DelMar]

MHs up in price, site fees up in price, fuel up in price and maybe the future is pay per mile too. What a sobering thought, all this just to spend time sitting in someone’s field.

I never thought camping would get to such a level of luxury.

 

[dunnah01]

Some 2022 conversions have already started to look scaled back.View attachment 549407

It's got a spare wheel so no scrimping there

 

[Simon Meadwell]

It makes you wonder when it will become too expensive to warrant using your moho.

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[Lenny HB]

Perhaps I am in the minority in thinking that £75 - £80K is a lot to spend on a leisure vehicle.

The majority of purchasers are retired or semi-retired folk with a pension pot and savings.

Even when we were in our 50's we never thought we could afford a Motorhome but managed to buy our first one at 58.

I have never earnt anything like the average wage but don't find spending 100k on a Motorhome too much of a problem now we are older.

 

[Conal]

When we bought ours in late 2016 we visited the NEC and looked for an island bed. At the time there were very few and we considered a £70k plus price too high. We bought a 6 months old one for just under £60k a few days later.
Looking back I can not justify the £70 ceiling- we could have afforded more although it would have been a stretch. I think it was a mixture of feeling guilty that we could afford something our parents could never buy, and fear of spending so much. Looking at prices now, in hindsight, I would not hesitate to pay more if I felt it was value for money.
I now wonder if the reluctance was due a mixture of factors: our age (just retired), the most expensive one-off purchase we were ever likely to make, fear of it being a mistake, not wanting to move out of our financial comfort zone, never really being comfortable with long term debt (we regarded the house purchase as an asset that would increase in value). After discussing this thread with my wife we really can’t say exactly why.
Luckily we do not regret the decision, and have a sneaky schadenfreude (had to look that up) feeling now that prices are rising so much.

 

[Speve]

I have never earnt anything like the average wage but don't find spending 100k on a Motorhome too much of a problem now we are older

Possibly another reason to import one yourself as better value over in Europe

 

[Lenny HB]

Possibly another reason to import one yourself as better value over in Europe

I've only ever imported never bought one in the uk.

 

[Pablotti]

When we bought ours in late 2016 we visited the NEC and looked for an island bed. At the time there were very few and we considered a £70k plus price too high. We bought a 6 months old one for just under £60k a few days later.
Looking back I can not justify the £70 ceiling- we could have afforded more although it would have been a stretch. I think it was a mixture of feeling guilty that we could afford something our parents could never buy, and fear of spending so much. Looking at prices now, in hindsight, I would not hesitate to pay more if I felt it was value for money.
I now wonder if the reluctance was due a mixture of factors: our age (just retired), the most expensive one-off purchase we were ever likely to make, fear of it being a mistake, not wanting to move out of our financial comfort zone, never really being comfortable with long term debt (we regarded the house purchase as an asset that would increase in value). After discussing this thread with my wife we really can’t say exactly why.
Luckily we do not regret the decision, and have a sneaky schadenfreude (had to look that up) feeling now that prices are rising so much.

We had a similar situation. We bought our first one last year, 3.5 years old, for £45k. It felt like a lot of money. 9 months later we’re buying one in the 70s… and it feels more comfortable than it did with the first one.

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[DerryW]

Its a bit like the housing market, once you're on the ladder its easier to step up to the next level and so on. a £70 -80k MH might only require a modest investment.

 

[Pablotti]

Its a bit like the housing market, once you're on the ladder its easier to step up to the next level and so on. a £70 -80k MH might only require a modest investment.

My fiancé and I have only been together 5 years and our savings are not yet intertwined. I bought the first one wholly from my own savings as she wasn’t keen, but insists the new one should be 50/50…

That means it actually cost me many thousands less, even though it’s nearly £30k more

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

I've only ever imported never bought one in the uk.

This is my first van and bought in Germany, bit of trouble with the DVLA but sorted in a few weeks.

We are away now for 3+ weeks, this trip and probably the next 10 will be paid for with the money saved

 

[Clipgate]

Prices will maintain due to the unprecedented money printing, however as possibly all of us have experienced the currency printing will and must stop, then interest rate rises to calm supply side demand will follow.
Conflict between executive desires and forlorn promises will cause a rift with the treasury.
A common aspect of post colonial influence, well known and about to follow like lemmings.

 

[deleted79651]

Prices will maintain due to the unprecedented money printing, however as possibly all of us have experienced the currency printing will and must stop, then interest rate rises to calm supply side demand will follow.
Conflict between executive desires and forlorn promises will cause a rift with the treasury.
A common aspect of post colonial influence, well known and about to follow like lemmings.

Money is no longer printed; it is created electronically by QE, and it should not cause inflation, because it is intended to inject liquidity into the Banking system to enable business to increase production by supporting the current asset cycle. It cannot produce new working capital because, using the example of a business that starts with no debts and no cash, raw materials or stock has no working capital. If the business arranges an overdraft of £100 and draws it down, it will have liquidity but no working capital, because the Balance Sheet will show Current Assets as Cash £100 and Current Liabilities as Bank Overdraft £100, so still a zero Working Capital position.

If inflation occurs that cannot be attributed to other factors, then QE will have failed. The present inflationary pressures arise from reduced economic activity because of COVID, economic distortion following Brexit, and rapid increases in energy costs.

QE will taper off as the Monetary Policy Committee votes to increase interest rates, having satisfied itself that the Banks have passed the Stress Tests and possess sufficient liquidity to support its customers' borrowing needs. Andrew Bailey confirmed this week that the two latter criteria have been satisfied and the question is now about the timing of interest rate rises and the number of increases that will be needed.

Steve

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[fat haggis]

Prices will maintain due to the unprecedented money printing, however as possibly all of us have experienced the currency printing will and must stop, then interest rate rises to calm supply side demand will follow.
Conflict between executive desires and forlorn promises will cause a rift with the treasury.
A common aspect of post colonial influence, well known and about to follow like lemmings.

Didn’t they say that about the London housing prices. My son and partner only have a mortgage for £600k and with that it’s a 70s doeruper mid terrace. Now come live in the west highlands and 600k will get you something very special.

 

[Jonno1103]

Many dealers have already sold their 2022 orders placed with the coachbuilders they offer.

When a fully specced top of the range Skoda is pushing £50k and more importantly a skeletal motorhome chassis is over £30k alone, the retail price of a motorhome doesn't appear to be too greedy.

 

[hymerman]

Some 2022 conversions have already started to look scaled back.View attachment 549407

My very first van was similar to this but much older, an old Merc 408. All we had was 2 mattresses in the back ,a portapotty in case my 2 boys needed it in the night, and 2 side windows. Amazing what little you really need, and we travelled around France in it. I'm not saying that I'd go back to that , but when needs must, just get on with it. About 35 years ago now, time just wizzes by.

 

[Jonno1103]

Didn’t they say that about the London housing prices. My son and partner only have a mortgage for £600k and with that it’s a 70s doeruper mid terrace. Now come live in the west highlands and 600k will get you something very special.

Price of our house in Harrogate has risen 40% since we bought it in 2015. Scary.

 

[Brains]

Didn’t they say that about the London housing prices. My son and partner only have a mortgage for £600k and with that it’s a 70s doeruper mid terrace. Now come live in the west highlands and 600k will get you something very special.

The problem is however:
It's 14 hrs on public transport to get from your home in the Western Highlands to London.

In 14hrs he could also be on a beach in Thailand! (and probably not cost a lot more)
Have you any idea what a £600,000 beach front property would look like in Thailand!

That is why £600,000 will buy you a 1 bed flat in outer London, or a palace in the Highlands or a Thailand.

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