Ban on old tyres - not sure it relates to MH's over 3.5t (1 Viewer)

[MichaelT]

Saw this today, says goods vehicles over 3.5t but not sure MH's are also included. I know it is recommended to change tyres at 6 years or so but wonder if many vehicles have older tyres that have good depth as they only do low mileage.

 

[M-J]

Tyres over 10 years old to be banned, but not all!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54830060 Not sure if it will include motorhomes, does include hgv front steering tyres or single axle tyres.

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[MichaelT]

Tyres over 10 years old to be banned, but not all!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-54830060 Not sure if it will include motorhomes, does include hgv front steering tyres or single axle tyres.

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

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[Augusta08]

I'll be ok, never managed to make a set of tyres last over 3 years.

 

[Just smiffy]

If you’ve got ten year old tyres on your van then sell it, your not using it enough....

 

[Pablo19]

I've got what look to be the original tyres on my recently purchased 65 plate. With only 13k miles on them they look brand new, it will hurt to have to change them next year if I do as recommended

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[Hettie's Crew]

but not sure MH's are also included.

Any motorhome over 3.5t is registered as a goods vehicle so they could well be included.

 

[nicholsong]

Any motorhome over 3.5t is registered as a goods vehicle so they could well be included.

Sorry, but that is not correct. For other purposes I have been doing a lot of research on Vehicle Categories in relation to MHs and all MHs should be registered as M1 because within M1 they are 'Special Purpose' vehicles.

I also have copies of the registration documents of 4 MHs (3 UK and 1 French) which are over 3.5t and all are registered as M1, which is for passenger vehicles. Goods vehicles are Category N.

Geoff

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Sorry, but that is not correct. For other purposes I have been doing a lot of research on Vehicle Categories in relation to MHs and all MHs should be registered as M1 because within M1 they are 'Special Purpose' vehicles.

I also have copies of the registration documents of 4 MHs (3 UK and 1 French) which are over 3.5t and all are registered as M1, which is for passenger vehicles. Goods vehicles are Category N.

Geoff

True, I’m thinking about taxation class, not registration.

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[68c]

My 3500kg is registered as Motor Caravan, Private Light Goods, no mention of M1.
Thats on a new log book arrived today, V5C-0119.

 

[mpdcymru]

Tyres are covered by the Road Vehicles (Construction & Use) Regulations, Tax clkass is covered by the Vehicle Excise Act and the definitions within each canot be read across to the other.

 

[DandG5515]

Mine are 2008 tyres done 40k with still 5mm of tread, no cracking on them has been stored indoors most of life, replaced front pair this year for safety, but keeping back 4 as only running 55psi in them as not running full load, spare still unused. Tyres are original fit rated as light truck not camper.

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[nicholsong]

My 3500kg is registered as Motor Caravan, Private Light Goods, no mention of M1.
Thats on a new log book arrived today, V5C-0119.

If at all M1 will be entered on line 'J' Vehicle Category

 

[68c]

Nothing under J, not much on the V5 now. Does not even say it is a Pilote Galaxy 270.

 

[robrace]

Took our motorhome into the tyre company I use and from were I bought the tyres 10 years ago(40k)They inspected them and admitted they still looked completely serviceable with plenty of tread and no sign of cracks on the side walls.They were Hankooks!They said general rule of thumb was to replace at maximum of 7 years! So decided to replace!

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[Lenny HB]

Mine are 2008 tyres done 40k with still 5mm of tread, no cracking on them has been stored indoors most of life, replaced front pair this year for safety, but keeping back 4 as only running 55psi in them as not running full load, spare still unused. Tyres are original fit rated as light truck not camper.

The best tyres should always be on the rear.
I wouldn't want tyres on a Motorhome any more than 6 years old.
Replace ours at 3-4 years as they are worn out.

 

[Emmit]

I've put my old head on and read the relevant Regs.

This is what the 'New' Reg says;
(I've omitted the stuff relating to recut treads etc.
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(4) In regulation 27 (condition and maintenance of tyres)—

(a)in paragraph (1)—

(i)after “(2), (3) and (4),” insert “and subject to paragraph (1A),”;

(ii)in sub-paragraph (g)(ii) omit the “or” at the end;

(iii)after sub-paragraph (h) insert—

“(i)the tyre is not a retreaded tyre and—

(i)the week of manufacture marked on its sidewall in accordance with ECE Regulation 30 or 54 falls more than 10 years before the date on which the motor vehicle is used on the road; or

(ii)it does not have a week of manufacture marking which complies with ECE Regulation 30 or 54 (whether because it was manufactured before the ECE Regulations applied or otherwise);

Keep the above in mind when reading the below as relates to Reg 27;

Viz;

Condition and maintenance of tyres
27.—(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (2), (3) and (4), a wheeled motor vehicle or trailer a wheel of which is fitted with a pneumatic tyre shall not be used on a road, if—

(a)the tyre is unsuitable having regard to the use to which the motor vehicle or trailer is being put or to the types of tyres fitted to its other wheels;

(b)the tyre is not so inflated as to make it fit for the use to which the motor vehicle or trailer is being put;

(c)the tyre has a cut in excess of 25 mm or 10% of the section width of the tyre, whichever is the greater, measured in any direction on the outside of the tyre and deep enough to reach the ply or cord;

(d)the tyre has any lump, bulge or tear caused by separation or partial failure of its structure;

(e)the tyre has any of the ply or cord exposed;

(f)the base of any groove which showed in the original tread pattern of the tyre is not clearly visible;

(g)either—

(i)the grooves of the tread pattern of the tyre do not have a depth of at least 1 mm throughout a continuous band measuring at least three-quarters of the breadth of the tread and round the entire outer circumference of the tyre; or

(ii)if the grooves of the original tread pattern of the tyre did not extend beyond three-quarters of the breadth of the tread, any groove which showed in the original tread pattern does not have a depth of at least 1 mm; or

(h)the tyre is not maintained in such condition as to be fit for the use to which the vehicle or trailer is being put or has a defect which might in any way cause damage to the surface of the road or damage to persons on or in the vehicle or to other persons using the road.

AFTER THE ABOVE IE (h) one must insert;

(i)the week of manufacture marked on its sidewall in accordance with ECE Regulation 30 or 54 falls more than 10 years before the date on which the motor vehicle is used on the road;

So, there you have it.
The 'New' Regulation inserts the 10yrs age limit on the end of the 1986 Regulation that relates to all tyres (as far as it relates to most of us)

Would anyone still serving have a comment to make and/or has this "Old Bill" got it wrong.

 

[DandG5515]

As I’ve read thxe

The best tyres should always be on the rear.
I wouldn't want tyres on a Motorhome any more than 6 years old.
Replace ours at 3-4 years as they are worn out.

Age aside, the best tyres on rear gives best stability during heavy cornering and aqua planing, but gives poorer braking in a straight line. This law is based on heavy twin rear wheel drive vehicles, and is totally about avoiding a blow out on front tyres. I have had blow outs at motorway speeds, and can understand why are trying to reduce the risk of uncontrollable front blow outs.

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[jezport]

Any motorhome over 3.5t is registered as a goods vehicle so they could well be included.

No they are not goods vehicles they are private HGV and do not require a tacograph and have a normal car MOT and are not subject to driving hours limitations.

 

[Ivory55]

No they are not goods vehicles they are private HGV and do not require a tacograph and have a normal car MOT and are not subject to driving hours limitations.

Neither is an hgv if you have a magnet. Haha

 

[Peter and Julie]

Neither is an hgv if you have a magnet. Haha

Stopped working years ago! The magnetic

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[Jagtazman]

Seen enough accidents on the road, tyres imho are one of the main factors and most important on a vehicle. I would never buy cheap and i would always replace every 6 years no matter the tread.
Why risk it for a few hundred quid, just budget for changing tyres
I put a little cash away each month for tyres and cambelt as I know these jobs need to be done and cost. So i build a saving pot therefore I have to cash ready when its needed.
Its just not worth the risk imho.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

No they are not goods vehicles they are private HGV and do not require a tacograph and have a normal car MOT and are not subject to driving hours limitations.

Doesn’t HGV stand for Heavy Goods Vehicle?

 

[Ivory55]

Stopped working years ago! The magnetic

Only if you run new motors

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[funflair]

Doesn’t HGV stand for Heavy Goods Vehicle?

Yes but "private" means not for the carriage of goods I believe so there lies the confusion, I don't care though as I wouldn't want 10 yr old tyres on my van.
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[Emmit]

Dragging this thread back to the original post, I think the Amendment clearly, (Well, as clear as legalise can do!) states that just about every motor vehicle on the road, (aside from vehicles with legal recut tyres) can't have tyres with a date on them more than 10yrs from the date of use.

In practical terms it could be far less than 10yrs because there is a ready market for 'obsolete' tyres that may already be several years old.

 

[Gaston aires]

The 10 year rule should apply to any vehicle due to sun UV degradation.
Especially when pressures are so high like on Motorhomes.
Phil

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[nicholsong]

Doesn’t HGV stand for Heavy Goods Vehicle?

The meaning of words can be defined in any statute for the purposes of that law, contained within the definitions section. A lawyer will always go there first.

Geoff