Are we going to have to pay more for ferry crossings?

[Odd-no-more]

I do agree with fair pay but I think we are going to have to pay for it.

 

[Wildbill]

Yes it will be more expensive o how in convenient it will be
Bill

 

[John Barrett]

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I do agree with fair pay but I think we are going to have to pay for it.
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Surely that's not fair?

 

[glenn2926]

I do agree with fair pay but I think we are going to have to pay for it.

I’m not, we use the tunnel.

 

[Odd-no-more]

I’m not, we use the tunnel.

We use the tunnel too, but if the ferry price increases the tunnel price will go up as well.

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[glenn2926]

We use the tunnel too, but if the ferry price increases the tunnel price will go up as well.

Why?

 

[David and Sally]

Why?

Opportunism and profiteering.

 

[Odd-no-more]

Why?

Because they can

 

[Minxy]

We use the tunnel too, but if the ferry price increases the tunnel price will go up as well.

Not due to the wage rise. Perhaps it will mean that the tunnel is more competitive than at present when compared to the future ferry prices. It could mean the tunnel prices stay similar to what they are now and get more customers.

 

[Odd-no-more]

Not due to the wage rise. Perhaps it will mean that the tunnel is more competitive than at present when compared to the future ferry prices. It could mean the tunnel prices stay similar to what they are now and get more customers.

I suspect you're not as cynical as I am

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[WESTY66]

Opportunism and profiteering.

Spot on!

 

[WESTY66]

I’m on the verge of cancelling my June ferry as I’ve not much confidence it will sail

 

[Lenny HB]

Dover/Calais prices have gone up a lot over the last 2 or 3 years, used to be able to get a return with the Motorhome for £110 - £120 now it's £180 - over £200 at the cheaper times of the day. But over twenty years ago it would have been even more we have got used to very low prices.

Newhaven/Dieppe is approx the same price with the over 60 discount, it's 3 times the distance & employs French crews BUT it gets a big subsidy from Dieppe town council, without it the route would close.

 

[Odd-no-more]

Surely that's not fair

Nothing is fair these days

 

[Spriddler]

I do agree with fair pay but I think we are going to have to pay for it.

Ultimately 'we' foot the bills for everything; there's no other source of revenue.

I've not followed the story closely but it does strike me as strange that in spite of the 'paltry' wages offered they've apparently not had any trouble recruiting 800 new staff.

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[WESTY66]

Not due to the wage rise. Perhaps it will mean that the tunnel is more competitive than at present when compared to the future ferry prices. It could mean the tunnel prices stay similar to what they are now and get more customers.

If that’s the case Mel, they won’t need to reinstate cheap frequent traveller tickets if they’re filling the space at premium rates

 

[Innkeeper]

If thing need to go up in price. To pay staff a living wage. Then so be it.

 

[Odd-no-more]

Ultimately 'we' foot the bills for everything; there's no other source of revenue.

I've not followed the story closely but it does strike me as strange that in spite of the 'paltry' wages offered they've apparently not had any trouble recruiting 800 new staff.

The staff from the third world are very happy to work for £4 an hour, it's probably 2 or 3 times what they can get at home, but that is a race to the bottom. I saw what happened in the building trade when the eastern Europeans came here, I was lucky that the gas engineers could not pass our exams so we had some protection, but that didn't stop 20 installers being "supervised" by a qualified engineer. Other trades were sometimes thrown off a site with no notice, because the new arrivals would work for less money. This race to low pay is not good for anyone and if I have to pay more for a ferry then I will.

 

[David and Sally]

Ultimately 'we' foot the bills for everything; there's no other source of revenue.

I've not followed the story closely but it does strike me as strange that in spite of the 'paltry' wages offered they've apparently not had any trouble recruiting 800 new staff.

That’s only a few boat”s full from Calais. There will always be cheap labour available to multi-national companies.

 

[DBK]

We generally use Brittany Ferries where virtually all the crew are French who are presumably not working for £5 an hour. Of course they are not competing on the short crossings.

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[Odd-no-more]

Even the minimum wage is not enough to live on, and that is before the cost of living increases we have had recently.
The UK has been a low wage economy for years but now we need to become a high skill and high pay country or we will lose out to cheaper economies, like when all the highly paid workers at Ford in Southampton lost it as the factory was moved to Turkey.

 

[Clipgate]

The new agency crews are from Poland and some other eastern nation's, the pay is approximately £11k per annum.
We were clearly told that the desire was Singapore on Thames, low pay, no employment protection. Poor conditions etc.
The majority voted for it, so be it.
Wealth transfer bottom to top only on steroids.
The pensions enjoyed by past generations are a thing of the past, and almost 200 years of working man's struggle for reasonable pay and conditions being swept aside.
The only consideration is will it be cheaper! However ask at who's cost as you pass another in the gutter.

 

[ctc]

Can't have foreign shareholders going short can we.

 

[cyberyacht]

I was only saying to my OH today that we are returning to the style of the gentry living the high life and the peasantry barely able to survive.The only difference is that the "gentry" is now the fat cats/CEOs with inflated salaries/pensions topped up with mega bonuses.

 

[Odd-no-more]

With the new ide of working from home, where all you need is a pc and a phone, that is a portable job, how long before that job is exported to India? Africa? Mexico? etc. What will happen to is all then?

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[The Wino]

Even the minimum wage is not enough to live on, and that is before the cost of living increases we have had recently.
The UK has been a low wage economy for years but now we need to become a high skill and high pay country or we will lose out to cheaper economies, like when all the highly paid workers at Ford in Southampton lost it as the factory was moved to Turkey.

I totally agree but we don't become a high skilled economy by paying low skilled people more!
The question is if we do pay higher wages and it increases prices then are the higher wages then high enough!. Also if low skilled jobs are paid more would you as a gas engineer have been happy when they were on the same pay as your without any qualifications in which case if you wanted the same differential costs would be even higher.

 

[Spriddler]

I was only saying to my OH today that we are returning to the style of the gentry living the high life and the peasantry barely able to survive.The only difference is that the "gentry" is now the fat cats/CEOs with inflated salaries/pensions topped up with mega bonuses.

Get out with yer cassette throwers and awning poles lads, it's time for the The Funsters' Revolt........

 

[James-Alex]

Dover/Calais prices have gone up a lot over the last 2 or 3 years, used to be able to get a return with the Motorhome for £110 - £120 now it's £180 - over £200 at the cheaper times of the day. But over twenty years ago it would have been even more we have got used to very low prices.

Newhaven/Dieppe is approx the same price with the over 60 discount, it's 3 times the distance & employs French crews BUT it gets a big subsidy from Dieppe town council, without it the route would close.

I looked for this new haven crossing only yesterday. Really surprised how cheap it was. 20th August £73 each way on the 23:00 sailings. Huge saving compared to similar routes.

 

[Bailey58]

Can't see P&O failing to comply but if they did withdraw it would be an open invitation for DFDS to up their prices. They took over all the Scandinavian connections and closed them soon after as unprofitable.

 

[Odd-no-more]

I totally agree but we don't become a high skilled economy by paying low skilled people more!
The question is if we do pay higher wages and it increases prices then are the higher wages then high enough!. Also if low skilled jobs are paid more would you as a gas engineer have been happy when they were on the same pay as your without any qualifications in which case if you wanted the same differential costs would be even higher.

Becoming a high skill economy will take many years which is why it may never happen. They (the idiot politicians) thought years ago that to become highly skilled everyone needed a university degree thay ended up with all the useless university courses that leave people almost unemployable.

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