Anyone use Michelin Agilis Camping 225/75/R16 Load rating 116?

[596]

Just wondering if anyone is looking for some new Michelin Agilis Camping 225/75/R16 Load rating 116 tyres in the next couple of months, I am buying a brand new motorhome and want to upgrade the payload, that means buying new rear tyres and upgrading the load of the rear axle tyres from 116 to 121, as the tyres I will be taking off are brand new wondered if anyone wanted to make an offer on them, I could keep them as spares for the front but I do so few miles it would be pointless.

 

[Ivory55]

Would you not be better doing a deal with the dealer or tyre fitter. If someone buys them there is a courier cost plus paying to have them fitted so might not offer you as much as you want for them. Just a thought.

 

[596]

Would you not be better doing a deal with the dealer or tyre fitter. If someone buys them there is a courier cost plus paying to have them fitted so might not offer you as much as you want for them. Just a thought.

I haven't spoken to the dealer yet, but worth asking, just thought to might help someone out, I could meet up Portsmouth Area, Sevenoaks Kent Area, or anywhere from say Grantham down the A1 to M25 then around to Sevenoaks. More bother for me but trying to help, fitting is normally £10 a corner

 

[PJGWiltshire]

I will be looking to replace my front tires when I return from Spain at Christmas. See how you get on with your dealer. If you still have them at Christmas drop me a line and we can talk money. I will be in the Chichester area till the Spring so Portsmouth pick up no problem

 

[596]

I will be looking to replace my front tires when I return from Spain at Christmas. See how you get on with your dealer. If you still have them at Christmas drop me a line and we can talk money. I will be in the Chichester area till the Spring so Portsmouth pick up no problem

Ok great, just been told by SVTech I also need to check the weight rating of the supplied alloy wheels, so waiting for Swift to get back to the dealer. Chichester is no problem, as I said just trying to help others, humping big tyres around the country is not something I would normally do ?. Will keep you updated, oh they are 116 load rated and I am upgrading to 121 ?

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[PJGWiltshire]

They are the same ones as I have fitted at the moment.

 

[596]

They will be taken off as soon as the van arrives and dealer will fit new ones before delivery so zero miles, I just bought 4 for my current van but they are 215’s, nice tyres ?

 

[Ianj55]

What load rating are you going to upgrade to ! I have a Carthago at 4.5 tonnes and the tyres I have are the ones you are taking off. Why do you need to upgrade to 121! I have just had two new front Michelin agilis 225/75R16cp 116q fitted to replace the old ones. Have done 31000 miles without a problem. Must be very heavy your new Swift

 

[596]

What load rating are you going to upgrade to ! I have a Carthago at 4.5 tonnes and the tyres I have are the ones you are taking off. Why do you need to upgrade to 121! I have just had two new front Michelin agilis 225/75R16cp 116q fitted to replace the old ones. Have done 31000 miles without a problem. Must be very heavy your new Swift

This is what I had from SVTech, increasing from 4,250 to 4,500kg is a paper exercise as I have the 116 load rated tyres as you know, going up to 4,700kg is air bags and higher rated load on tyres to 121, nothing wrong with having higher rated tyres all round I guess but they just stipulate for the rear axle, as the van I am buying doesn't carry a spare it doesn't matter if two different sizes, you are in the crap if you get a flat on either

 

[Casper46]

What load rating are you going to upgrade to ! I have a Carthago at 4.5 tonnes and the tyres I have are the ones you are taking off. Why do you need to upgrade to 121! I have just had two new front Michelin agilis 225/75R16cp 116q fitted to replace the old ones. Have done 31000 miles without a problem. Must be very heavy your new Swift

We have just upgraded our Carthago to 4800 and had to upgrade wheels and tyres. We already had full air. Michelin do not do a 121 rated Agilis or so they told me. We have changed to Continental Van Contact 4 Seasons, just done our first 700 mile trip on them and they seem fine. Less leaning on roundabouts, maybe a bit noisier than Agilis but it’s difficult to tell, as all roads are rubbish nowadays.

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[596]

We have just upgraded our Carthago to 4800 and had to upgrade wheels and tyres. We already had full air. Michelin do not do a 121 rated Agilis or so they told me. We have changed to Continental Van Contact 4 Seasons, just done our first 700 mile trip on them and they seem fine. Less leaning on roundabouts, maybe a bit noisier than Agilis but it’s difficult to tell, as all roads are rubbish nowadays.

I was looking at these, not 'camper tyres' but van and very strong, still have no idea what the difference between camper and van are, was told it was just marketing, anyway these have the 121 rating but bloody expensive!

Michelin Agilis Alpin. Only £ 227.59

Winter tyres Michelin Agilis Alpin, 225/75 R16C 121/120R 12PR, Load rating: 121/120, Speed index: R: up to 106 mph.

www.mytyres.co.uk

 

[Lenny HB]

Ok great, just been told by SVTech I also need to check the weight rating of the supplied alloy wheels,

I was just going to mention that. If they are Fiat wheels and you are going over 2500kg on the axle you will need to change them.

 

[596]

I was just going to mention that. If they are Fiat wheels and you are going over 2500kg on the axle you will need to change them.

Yes waiting to hear back from Swift, I am starting to think that the extra 200kg is going to cost a lot of money, 2 x tyres at say £400 fitted, air suspension at £1,830 plus going 'up north' to get it fitted, and 4 x new alloys say £400, cheaper to send my wife to weight watchers me thinks OR leave her at home

Payload as bought with everything is 822kg includes driver, full tank of fuel, 1 x gas e.t.c. that weight is 4,250kg, so add to that my extra 250kg paper exercise and I get to a payload of 1,072kg so now 4,500kg, that is more than enough for me but it's the same price from SVTech whether you go up one or two weights, so being Scottish I thought I may as well go to the max, but it is looking VERY costly for the extra 200kg to 4,700kg that I may never use! What was interesting was that SVTech give you a years guarantee, so if you want to upgrade later they don't charge, you get the new docs and plate free, never knew that so maybe that's an option, only thing is the tyres would be used but I may upgrade those anyway because I can

 

[Jaws]

This is what I had from SVTech, increasing from 4,250 to 4,500kg is a paper exercise as I have the 116 load rated tyres as you know, going up to 4,700kg is air bags and higher rated load on tyres to 121, nothing wrong with having higher rated tyres all round I guess but they just stipulate for the rear axle, as the van I am buying doesn't carry a spare it doesn't matter if two different sizes, you are in the crap if you get a flat on either

Recomended ones for our 5 1/4 tonne van are 116 .. I really do not think you need change them

 

[596]

Recomended ones for our 5 1/4 tonne van are 116 .. I really do not think you need change them

SVTech made it clear that I must to comply with the law and safety, so no choice or they won't sign it off, they are the engineers so foolish to ignore I think

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[Tigertom]

If you were willing to split them I might be interested in one of them.......at the right price ?

 

[Lenny HB]

Yes waiting to hear back from Swift, I am starting to think that the extra 200kg is going to cost a lot of money, 2 x tyres at say £400 fitted, air suspension at £1,830 plus going 'up north' to get it fitted, and 4 x new alloys say £400, cheaper to send my wife to weight watchers me thinks OR leave her at home

Payload as bought with everything is 822kg includes driver, full tank of fuel, 1 x gas e.t.c. that weight is 4,250kg, so add to that my extra 250kg paper exercise and I get to a payload of 1,072kg so now 4,500kg, that is more than enough for me but it's the same price from SVTech whether you go up one or two weights, so being Scottish I thought I may as well go to the max, but it is looking VERY costly for the extra 200kg to 4,700kg that I may never use! What was interesting was that SVTech give you a years guarantee, so if you want to upgrade later they don't charge, you get the new docs and plate free, never knew that so maybe that's an option, only thing is the tyres would be used but I may upgrade those anyway because I can

My mate had the same problem with his Carthago E Line, plated at 4500kg, SV Tec took the same stance. So I suggested he get John Ruffles to uprate it to 4800kg keeping the same axle loadings of 2300kg front & 2500kg rear. This worked as he was able to move a lot of heavy stuff to the front in the double floor freeing up over a 100-150 kg on the rear axle so he can run legally within the axle loading. But running with a full tank of water would put him over so he just puts in about 150 Lt when travelling.

 

[Lenny HB]

Recomended ones for our 5 1/4 tonne van are 116 .. I really do not think you need change them

But you have 4 rear wheels.

 

[PJGWiltshire]

Yes waiting to hear back from Swift, I am starting to think that the extra 200kg is going to cost a lot of money, 2 x tyres at say £400 fitted, air suspension at £1,830 plus going 'up north' to get it fitted, and 4 x new alloys say £400, cheaper to send my wife to weight watchers me thinks OR leave her at home

Payload as bought with everything is 822kg includes driver, full tank of fuel, 1 x gas e.t.c. that weight is 4,250kg, so add to that my extra 250kg paper exercise and I get to a payload of 1,072kg so now 4,500kg, that is more than enough for me but it's the same price from SVTech whether you go up one or two weights, so being Scottish I thought I may as well go to the max, but it is looking VERY costly for the extra 200kg to 4,700kg that I may never use! What was interesting was that SVTech give you a years guarantee, so if you want to upgrade later they don't charge, you get the new docs and plate free, never knew that so maybe that's an option, only thing is the tyres would be used but I may upgrade those anyway because I can

Now that you have broken down the costs. It does seem a lot when at this stage you do not know if you need the extra payload. I would be of the mind to use the new van as it comes and see what payload issues you have. Even a year down he line you decide to uprate and I appreciate that your tyres would be used there would not be a reason to sell them. My set of tyres are just over three years old with 29000 miles on. The front tyres will need changing around MOT time next June. So in your case if you uprate in about three years your front tyres may need to be changed. Having a spare couple in the garage will then be useful.

 

[jezport]

Its down to the extra 200kg on the rear single axle. My van is plated at 4500kg on standard tyres but I would need 121 load rating to increase my rear axle weight from 2400kg to 2600kg
The gross weight is not what we are looking at here as I can keep my gross at 4500kg either way.

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[596]

The killer for me will be having to change the actual alloy wheels, I don’t mind throwing a couple of grand at it but it’s getting a bit silly money for extra 200kg I may never use, just thought sometimes would be nice to travel with some water, never have on my existing one due to weight restrictions. ?

 

[Ivory55]

At a couple of grand is it worth considering them French trailers with shopping trolley wheels on to carry extra weight. Then you can sell it separate from van if ever needed to.

 

[Lenny HB]

The killer for me will be having to change the actual alloy wheels, I don’t mind throwing a couple of grand at it but it’s getting a bit silly money for extra 200kg I may never use, just thought sometimes would be nice to travel with some water, never have on my existing one due to weight restrictions. ?

Have you considered what I suggested, uprating to 4500 or 4800 kg but keeping the same axle weights?
Travelling without water would be a total no, no for us.

 

[596]

Have you considered what I suggested, uprating to 4500 or 4800 kg but keeping the same axle weights?
Travelling without water would be a total no, no for us.

4.500kg is a paper exercise so will do that no matter what, will see wheel situation is. As for water you need it when wild camping, I’m not talking full just enough for needs, always drive dry so would be a luxury.

 

[Lenny HB]

If you want to go higher both SAP & SV Tech can put you onto someone who will supply 4 higher rated Alloys & tyres for £1200.

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[G7UXG]

I’d take the van as it is and then fully load it with everything you want to take. Take it to a weigh bridge and check it. You may find it’s OK.

I’ve had four motorhomes plated at 4250kg and never had any of them overweight. They were all 7.4 or 7.5 metres and weighed with full tanks. Three of them had a 3-litre engine which was an additional 50kg of weight compared to the 2.3 litre engines.

You’re more likely to find the rear axle running close to the limit, and uprating from 4250kg to 4500kg won’t change that as the rear axle will still be played at 2500kg. An uprate to 4500kg may only be useful if you can get extra weight to the front of the van and, in my experience, I’ve always found that to be very difficult if not impossible in a coach build.

I suppose it depends how much stuff you want to take. I’d use it and weigh it first before spending your cash.

 

[596]

If you want to go higher both SAP & SV Tech can put you onto someone who will supply 4 higher rated Alloys & tyres for £1200.

Thanks but £1,200 for wheels and tyres plus £1,830 for air suspension plus SVTech £300 = £3,330 for 200kg extra payload, you would never recoup this money on resale, and for 6 weeks a year could fly my stuff to St Tropez or buy it there and store it down there ?

 

[PJGWiltshire]

Thanks but £1,200 for wheels and tyres plus £1,830 for air suspension plus SVTech £300 = £3,330 for 200kg extra payload, you would never recoup this money on resale, and for 6 weeks a year could fly my stuff to St Tropez or buy it there and store it down there ?

Best I look fir tyres elsewhere then. Enjoy your new van. When do you pick it up

 

[596]

Best I look fir tyres elsewhere then. Enjoy your new van. When do you pick it up

Wait and see, I will update you when I know about the alloys weight limit. I don't need the van until next July, the dealer said I can leave it in his yard as long as I want and it will be registered and warranty starts the day I go to collect it, saves me cleaning it over the winter But seriously was going to get it in a month or so but thinking I may get it in Jan as we have a lot of trees and can't be arsed keeping the leaves off the roof, I say Jan as I would register in 2020 not that it would make any difference. Just hope they don't run off with my money

 

[PJGWiltshire]

Just drop me a line when you decide. Not desperate for tyres, its my intention to replace front two ready for MOT in June.

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