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[Mart grump]

Dose anyone know the best stickers to get that don’t ruin the paint work on a a class

 

[Lenny HB]

Leave them in the glove box, works for me.

 

[Diabalo]

Good question, I was wondering the same.

 

[Grasmere9]

I am going to buy some and have them in my glovebox too,!!

 

[dunnah01]

What's a glove box? - we just use one of the cupboards in our 4.25 tonner, they don't really impact on payload

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[Solwaybuggier]

Got some last year just in case (kept in locker) - I’ve also now got some clear film to attach them to, which claims to be readily removed and reapplied.

I got Luxshield paint protection film on Amazon, but I think there are cheaper options on eBay.

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[jongood]

Whats really noticeable on the continent is that when we see a 4 wheeled motorhome of whatever size with the stickers , its hardly ever French. They must be having a right laugh about this one ☺

 

[EzeeRider]

Does it actually apply to motorhomes or is it only goods vehicles??
ezee

 

[DumfriesDik]

I bought a set with micro suckers on the back and you can get stiffer storage backing for them. Easy to stick on and remove with no damage. Paid through the nose from Germany and as such slow delivery.

Reflecto

You can select the microsuction from the drop down menu.

 

[daveclare]

After last year when I struggled to get the bleedin' glue off the paintwork, I made some new ones.

I scanned the original onto glossy photo paper and placed some clear fablon around with a half inch overhang. So if I do use them (I intend not to) I can just have a small amount of glue to clean when taking them off.

They stay under one of the lounge cushions.

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[Two on Tour]

Give the area that you are going to apply the stickers to a good going over with a carnauba wax like Collinite 476s before applying the stickers and they will then peel off when required leaving your paintwork undamaged.
This is the method we used on race cars when we were constantly having to change numbers on cars.

 

[rb62]

Just taped mine on round the edges with red electrical tape

 

[Diabalo]

Anyone used magnetic ones for the front doors?

 

[wiljoy]

I've made several magnetic one's for customers. Magnetic material is at a sky high price now so not very popular. When I did graphics for tv companies in the early days i used to apply them with vaseline. They were only fitted for the scenes of 30 minutes or so.

 

[jongood]

My stickers go on and off without too much trouble, 5 times now although it does need to be clean and as said wax polish definitely helps.

As it definitely says urban areas only I dont bother if we re going Straight through from Calais to Belgium

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[Nigel P]

My stickers go on and off without too much trouble, 5 times now although it does need to be clean and as said wax polish definitely helps.

As it definitely says urban areas only I dont bother if we re going Straight through from Calais to Belgium

« Art. R. 313-32-1.-A l'exception des véhicules agricoles et forestiers, d'une part, et des engins de service hivernal et des véhicules d'intervention des services gestionnaires des autoroutes ou routes à deux chaussées séparées tels que définis respectivement aux points 5,6.1 et 6.6 de l'article R. 311-1 du présent code, d'autre part, les véhicules dont le poids total autorisé en charge excède 3,5 tonnes doivent porter, visible sur les côtés ainsi qu'à l'arrière du véhicule, une signalisation matérialisant la position des angles morts.
Le modèle de la signalisation et ses modalités d'apposition sont fixés par arrêté conjoint du ministre chargé des transports et du ministre chargé de la sécurité routière.
Le fait, pour tout conducteur, de contrevenir à l'obligation de signalisation imposée par le présent article et aux dispositions prises pour son application est puni de l'amende prévue pour les contraventions de la quatrième classe. »

This is the relevant article which appears to make no reference to urban areas, in fact creates specific exemptions for agriculture, forestry, snow ploughs and motorway maintenance/service vehicles which would really kill the 'urban' aspect. On the face of it, it appears that anything over 3500kgs that is not an exempt vehicle is required to display the signs irrespective of the location. I have not found any further information that appears to deviate from the above article. I am in no way trying to defend the French reasoning, in fact on a practical level I find them to be particularly useless in detering errant cyclists! Having worked for a French company for 10 years (albeit a long time ago) I suppose I should be used to the vagaries of French legislation. Although motorhomes do not seem to be racing to apply them they appear to have majority compliance on freight vehicles across many nationalities.

 

[Detnor]

I have used paint protection film and attached them to that. After 5 weeks all looks ok. Sitting on a site and all vans that look over 3.5t have them on, French included.

 

[jongood]

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« Art. R. 313-32-1.-A l'exception des véhicules agricoles et forestiers, d'une part, et des engins de service hivernal et des véhicules d'intervention des services gestionnaires des autoroutes ou routes à deux chaussées séparées tels que définis respectivement aux points 5,6.1 et 6.6 de l'article R. 311-1 du présent code, d'autre part, les véhicules dont le poids total autorisé en charge excède 3,5 tonnes doivent porter, visible sur les côtés ainsi qu'à l'arrière du véhicule, une signalisation matérialisant la position des angles morts.
Le modèle de la signalisation et ses modalités d'apposition sont fixés par arrêté conjoint du ministre chargé des transports et du ministre chargé de la sécurité routière.
Le fait, pour tout conducteur, de contrevenir à l'obligation de signalisation imposée par le présent article et aux dispositions prises pour son application est puni de l'amende prévue pour les contraventions de la quatrième classe. »

This is the relevant article which appears to make no reference to urban areas, in fact creates specific exemptions for agriculture, forestry, snow ploughs and motorway maintenance/service vehicles which would really kill the 'urban' aspect. On the face of it, it appears that anything over 3500kgs that is not an exempt vehicle is required to display the signs irrespective of the location. I have not found any further information that appears to deviate from the above article. I am in no way trying to defend the French reasoning, in fact on a practical level I find them to be particularly useless in detering errant cyclists! Having worked for a French company for 10 years (albeit a long time ago) I suppose I should be used to the vagaries of French legislation. Although motorhomes do not seem to be racing to apply them they appear to have majority compliance on freight vehicles across many nationalities.

Not able to find it right now but I think you're quoting a summary, whereas the actual regulation do quote urbanisations. The commercial operators are only interested in minimising the hassle and almost certainly take the view that its only €10 of stickers so they might as well fit them. Whereas the camping caristes are of the opinion that by acknowledging that they are over 3500kgs, there's a whole load of extra legislation that they should be abiding by

 

[Nigel P]

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Not able to find it right now but I think you're quoting a summary, whereas the actual regulation do quote urbanisations. The commercial operators are only interested in minimising the hassle and almost certainly take the view that its only €10 of stickers so they might as well fit them. Whereas the camping caristes are of the opinion that by acknowledging that they are over 3500kgs, there's a whole load of extra legislation that they should be abiding by

The quote is from Legifrance which is the public list of statutes currently in force in France. As I mentioned previously I cannot find anything which refers to only applying to urban areas and the aforementioned exemptions make that extremely unlikely. If anyone can point me to the source of the 'urban' aspect I would be most grateful.

 

[jongood]

The quote is from Legifrance which is the public list of statutes currently in force in France. As I mentioned previously I cannot find anything which refers to only applying to urban areas and the aforementioned exemptions make that extremely unlikely. If anyone can point me to the source of the 'urban' aspect I would be most grateful.

I must admit I cant find it in tje French version but there is evidence to suggest its there

New legislation in France from 1 January 2021 requires all vehicles over 3.5T to display warning stickers to indicate the position of blind spots to other road users.

The new law includes vehicles from all countries – whether in or outside of the EU – with an authorised total weight of more than 3.5 tonnes.

As well as trucks, coaches, buses and vans, it includes private vehicles over 3.5T, such as motorhomes.

It applies to vehicles travelling “in an urban environment.” This is not clearly defined, but presumed to be all built-up areas.

Blind Spot Stickers for ALL vehicles over 3.5T in France, New law in place from 1st January 2021

New legislation in France from 1 January 2021 requires all vehicles over 3.5T to display warning stickers to indicate the position of blind spots to other road users. The new law includes vehicles fro

www.iota.org.uk

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[The Wino]

I must admit I cant find it in tje French version but there is evidence to suggest its there

New legislation in France from 1 January 2021 requires all vehicles over 3.5T to display warning stickers to indicate the position of blind spots to other road users.

The new law includes vehicles from all countries – whether in or outside of the EU – with an authorised total weight of more than 3.5 tonnes.

As well as trucks, coaches, buses and vans, it includes private vehicles over 3.5T, such as motorhomes.

It applies to vehicles travelling “in an urban environment.” This is not clearly defined, but presumed to be all built-up areas.

Blind Spot Stickers for ALL vehicles over 3.5T in France, New law in place from 1st January 2021

New legislation in France from 1 January 2021 requires all vehicles over 3.5T to display warning stickers to indicate the position of blind spots to other road users. The new law includes vehicles fro

www.iota.org.uk

In the UK that could well be anywhere with a 30 or 20 speed limit so a pretty difficult area to avoid!

 

[Jev88]

I would like to see data of how these little ugly stickers are saving injuries and lives?

They serve no purpose to me? Unlike say a Gas on board sticker which is really useful to a fire fighter or police officer in event of an accident etc ...

 

[jongood]

In the UK that could well be anywhere with a 30 or 20 speed limit so a pretty difficult area to avoid!

Pretty easy to avoid if you re going from calais, dunkirk ferries or ET to Belgium.

There have also been lots of first hand reports of almost all 4wheeled French camping caristes ignoring it.

 

[jongood]

I would like to see data of how these little ugly stickers are saving injuries and lives?

They serve no purpose to me? Unlike say a Gas on board sticker which is really useful to a fire fighter or police officer in event of an accident etc ...

Me too, I tried searching it but as the full requirement only started last year no figures are available. 2019 seemed to have been a pretty bad year for cycling fatalaties although 2020 settled back down to around the mean for the previous few years.

 

[Nigel P]

I must admit I cant find it in tje French version but there is evidence to suggest its there

New legislation in France from 1 January 2021 requires all vehicles over 3.5T to display warning stickers to indicate the position of blind spots to other road users.

The new law includes vehicles from all countries – whether in or outside of the EU – with an authorised total weight of more than 3.5 tonnes.

As well as trucks, coaches, buses and vans, it includes private vehicles over 3.5T, such as motorhomes.

It applies to vehicles travelling “in an urban environment.” This is not clearly defined, but presumed to be all built-up areas.

Blind Spot Stickers for ALL vehicles over 3.5T in France, New law in place from 1st January 2021

New legislation in France from 1 January 2021 requires all vehicles over 3.5T to display warning stickers to indicate the position of blind spots to other road users. The new law includes vehicles fro

www.iota.org.uk

Thank you taking the trouble to dig it out. I am assuming that the original discussions would have been about vulnerabilities, therefore predominantly involving urban areas for data collection etc. just as the case is in the UK. Probably then the French have been subjected to a similar scenario to the UK with our Covid regulations; the 'guidance', recommendations and legislation not being one and the same thing!
It would appear that the 'urban' aspect was probably carried over from the initial discussions but didn't find its way into law. The signs are not pretty, probably completely useless as a safety mechanism but I have them on my van as it is professionally prudent for me to be compliant with the rules as I see them.