AdBlue system or Engine Replacement

[88Pilote]

Does anyone know about retrofitting an Adblue system (where I can get this done) on my 88 Talbot Pilote in order to meet LEZ standards? Alternatively what Euro VI engine would be able to replace my existing 2.5 diesel?

 

[StephDeLux]

When you say 88, you mean 1988?

 

[Figaro]

I'd doubt either option would be cost effective or indeed easy.
Would it not be simpler to update the van ?

 

[Figaro]

Welcome to the forum by the way

 

[Oldbob]

Welcome to the fun.
Personally I wouldn't try to go down either route, the new engine would be too expensive as you would have to change gearbox, gear linkages and mounting brackets to name a few hurdles.
Adblue retrofit means exhaust, tank, pump and electronic brain to run it all and personally I think the systems are pants anyhow ( but am biased as it has caused me no end of grief ) .
One other way is a specially built exhaust, they used to do them for the early trucks at a big cost, I don't know if people still make them or not but it involved a big silencer with particle filters etc and the parting of a lot of money.

Either way it is going to upset the balance and level of your mattress after taking the huge wedge out from under it, but you could work out how many times you will enter the lez and just pay to enter each time.

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[88Pilote]

I'd doubt either option would be cost effective or indeed easy.
Would it not be simpler to update the van ?

When you say 88, you mean 1988?

Yes

 

[88Pilote]

Welcome to the fun.
Personally I wouldn't try to go down either route, the new engine would be too expensive as you would have to change gearbox, gear linkages and mounting brackets to name a few hurdles.
Adblue retrofit means exhaust, tank, pump and electronic brain to run it all and personally I think the systems are pants anyhow ( but am biased as it has caused me no end of grief ) .
One other way is a specially built exhaust, they used to do them for the early trucks at a big cost, I don't know if people still make them or not but it involved a big silencer with particle filters etc and the parting of a lot of money.

Either way it is going to upset the balance and level of your mattress after taking the huge wedge out from under it, but you could work out how many times you will enter the lez and just pay to enter each time.

Thanks. Looks like I will be parking it from home outside LEZ.

 

[funflair]

Yes

Can it not be made compliant with a particle filter?

Martin

 

[TheBig1]

if you could change the engine it would still need to be tested to modern standards. A 1988 talbot will not pass for many reasons

the adblue system ties into the engine ECU computer to work, your van doesnt have an ECU. It can't be done

Certainly cheaper to sell the current van and buy something newer

 

[Lofty1]

I think a petrol engine is your best bet

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[Pausim]

Can it not be made compliant with a particle filter?

Martin

I don’t think so, the particulates are only one part of the problem. NOx levels are probably far more difficult to achieve without a complete engine change.

 

[soreeyes]

As said it would be easier and cheaper to find a storage outside the zone to leave the vehicle and swap to a car that meets the emissions.

 

[pappajohn]

Could fit a compatible petrol engine and a set of pedals.
The pedals are to assist the engine when it runs out of grunt.

Secure parking outside the zone and train or car to go back and forth.
Many do it if they have no parking close to home.
The previous owner of my RV stored it near York and lived 40 miles away.

 

[Phill D]

welcome.

i agree that you have 2 options
1. park it outside the LEZ
2. replace the vehicle

cost of storage is likely to be less than a vehicle change at least in the medium term..

 

[StephDeLux]

An engine of that time will not have a particles filter either. I'd be surprised if it is at all possible.

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[gus-lopez]

What does it weigh. As a motor caravan it should be ok between 2,5 & 3,5 Tonnes? if 2,5T or under then it is exempt from the LEZ

 

[pappajohn]

What does it weigh. As a motor caravan it should be ok between 2,5 & 3,5 Tonnes? if 2,5T or under then it is exempt from the LEZ

Entering the reg number into the LEZ website will confirm if its exempt or not.

 

[mitzimad]

What does it weigh. As a motor caravan it should be ok between 2,5 & 3,5 Tonnes? if 2,5T or under then it is exempt from the LEZ

i wish even a long wheel base vw isnt exempt its some thing like 1.2 tonnes unladen to be exempt

 

[busby]

Thanks. Looks like I will be parking it from home outside LEZ.

You could always fit 2 litre petrol engine.BUSBY.

 

[gus-lopez]

i wish even a long wheel base vw isnt exempt its some thing like 1.2 tonnes unladen to be exempt

It is 2,5 Tonnes gvw. I am exempt as under 2,5 T & registered with them as a foreign vehicle. Between 2,5T & 3,5T it depends on year of manufacture for engine .
My 2007 3,3T transit is also ok & registered.

**there are different weights depending on vehicle type.
A motorhome under 2,5t running on diesel is exempt.
1.205T unladen weight applies to small or large vans up to 3,5T ,horseboxes etc.

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[gus-lopez]

Also non of the new 2020 stricter LEZ conditions will apply to either of my vehicles & they will remain compliant using existing conditions.

 

[ambulancekidd]

 

[88Pilote]

Can it not be made compliant with a particle filter?

Martin

Hi Martin, can you provide more info on these particle filters please?

 

[Nixdorfer]

I won't be as "simple" as fitting a dpf.

A dpf needs regenerating to clean itself which needs an ecu and sensors to measure pressures, temperatures etc and control the regeneration process. Its just not something you can retro fit if not there originally. It would just block up. . They cause enough issues when factory fitted as they are

Also a dpf won't be enough to make an engine pass euro 6 anyway. Even much later vans with then already won't pass it so bolting one on a van from "88 just isn't an option. Same with adblue.

You need to accept a van that old is never going to pass the test as a diesel

If you absolutely have to pass the LEZ then either replace the van or put a petrol engine in it. But to convert to petrol you'd be better with a donor van as so many parts will be needed.

 

[Ivory55]

Would it not be cheaper to just copy someone else’s number plates for just going in to London. Haha

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[tonyidle]

There are reasons other than the obvious mechanical difficulties as to why uprating emissions equipment is impossible. Any kit fitted or any power unit replacement (other than petrol power) would need to use approved equipment (in the case of a kit) or be certified as compliant (if a power unit replacement). Certification (if possible) would likely cost more than the conversion. Emissions equipment is all-pervasive right down to items like the fuel cap and fuel tank design again making a retro fit pretty-well impossible.

 

[Nixdorfer]

Vw couldn't even get the emmision levels they wanted without cheating. Joe blogs stands no chance

 

[tacr2man]

Petrol engine and run on LPG go anywhere

 

[Close enough]

Iv got a petrol engine converted to run on LPG cheap, but getting harder to find since electricity gets the government cash now.

 

[Phill D]

Hi Martin, can you provide more info on these particle filters please?

most people would like rid of the particulate filter / DPF not to fit one.....

you are wasting your time looking this up as already mentioned by a member earlier you need a whole bag of electronic tricks and sensors to go with it.
IMHO this is not a possible solution even if you had a big deep pocket with loads of cash..

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