130 or 150 Bhp

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130 or 150 bhp what is the difference (I know it’s 20) will it give more power or more Mpg on say a 3500 van?
 
150. Gives a little bit more oomph.
 
Unless its speed your after , then its torque you want to be comparing :)
 
Our 150 2014 Euro 5 is about 2-3mpg better than our 130 2011 Euro 4 was on a slightly heavier van and is feels more powerful climbing hills/gradients.
 
As a retired engineer, 150 is the way to go, less gearbox changes, brisker performance and slightly better mpg. It’s not a software upgrade but variable turbo gate technology in case your wondering.
 
We bought the 150 on our autotrail Apache 700 , simply because that’s what the dealer had coming in. I’ve found it to be very torque -y and flexible , getting up into the higher gears sooner than my previous van which had the 130 engine. And that van was smaller and lighter than this one. Now that we have gone over 10000 miles it has improved even more and pulls like a train. Mpg is possibly 1 or 2 miles better , could be improved if I kept the speed down a bit too.
 
I'm thinking of a 2020 Ducato van conversion and the standard engine will be 120hp (currently 130hp) with the upgrade being 140hp as opposed to 150hp. Unusual for horse power to go backwards nowadays and I'm wondering if there's any other magic in the new engine that uses the lesser power better (though I can't see how)?
 
seakay22 said:
I'm thinking of a 2020 Ducato van conversion and the standard engine will be 120hp (currently 130hp) with the upgrade being 140hp as opposed to 150hp. Unusual for horse power to go backwards nowadays and I'm wondering if there's any other magic in the new engine that uses the lesser power better (though I can't see how)?
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IIRC Fiat are moving to Adblue so it could be a different engine even.
I bought a 160 hp Peugeot as it was cheaper than the 115 Fiat and can highly recommend it!

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We have owned a 130BHP Autotrail weighing 3650kg and a 150BHP IH PVC at 3500kg.

As mentioned before it is the torque and gearing is what you need to think about. BHP will maybe get you to your cruising speed a second or two earlier.

But for me who just likes to cruise around at 55mph the 150BHP version is below its peak torque and always requires a gear change at almost every incline.

The 130BHP always seemed to be in the middle of its pulling power at 55mph and went up almost every hill comfortably in 6th. If I remember it was around 2000rpm.

The 150BHP version will require a change to 5th at my optimum touring speed. To get the same effortless hill climbing I now need to tour at around 60 - 65 mph and at 2200rpm.

Faster than I want to go.

I know the Fiat declared torque figures don't agree with this but that is as I find it.
 
The 150 bhp has a variable vane turbo so the torque band is much wider then the 130 bhp.
 
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No comparison 150 all the way better mpg better power
 
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More torque = more BHP. The caveat is the rpm at which it all happens. MikeD touched on this. Looking at either torque or rpm alone isn't helpful - you need to look at the torque vs rpm graph for the engine. In general (talking about 'our' vehicles specifically) mpg is governed by frontal area and the speed at which you choose to travel rather than engine output or size. A bigger engine is without exception the better option. A smaller engine offered in different states of tune needs close attention to the torque graphs before any decision can be taken as often the higher state of tune shifts maximum torque further up the rpm band which may or may not suit your usage.
 
Definitely 150. I've a 150 and all up I'm just over 5ton and still achieve 28mpg. Light right foot helps.

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Just recently switched from 130 to 150 BHP and its very much like my 1st MH 3ltr in power criuses effortlessly at 70mph and has the same comformatic which I like. However I was chatting to a chap a few days ago when I took the van in for a towbar and he has just switched back to a 130 and said it was better suited to towing as the 150 is higher geared. I have yet to find out.
 
Had a 130 Euro 4, a 150 Euro 5+ and a 150 Euro 6.
The 130 is fine on flat but get it in the mountains on serious hills it's a nightmare, with the standard turbo on hairpin bends it loses boost an the engine practically dies & you go into panic mode dropping cogs and flooring it to keep it going.
The 150 just sails up the hills as it has a variable vane turbo that gives boost down to much lower revs.
The Euro 6 compared to the Euro 5 the 6 was very sluggish at first came on song at around 10,000 miles now it's done 18,000 it's great but if we buy another van I would have the 180.
 
The Ford 170 is a delight, I see lots of Motorhomes in my rear view mirrors.?
 
I prefer the 150 and during price negotiations got the upgrade with no extra cost.....something to consider.

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seakay22 said:
I'm thinking of a 2020 Ducato van conversion and the standard engine will be 120hp (currently 130hp) with the upgrade being 140hp as opposed to 150hp. Unusual for horse power to go backwards nowadays and I'm wondering if there's any other magic in the new engine that uses the lesser power better (though I can't see how)?
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Could it be that the 2020 models have gone to twin turbos like many cars have ? The Ford eco boost for example - 1.0 litre and goes like a train
 
I would be considering the 180 if/when I decide to buy again. I'm sick of plodding up long hills at 40mph.

I have the 150 and find it not suitable for holding speed on hills.

Ill open a new thread , 150 or 180 when the time comes!
 
I’ve recently taken delivery of a new 180 (2.3 litre) in a 5000kg tag axle. Having had three 3-litre 180s previously I have to say that I was very apprehensive.

After 2500 miles I’m not disappointed. Plenty of power for the job in hand.

I’d go for the most powerful version that I could afford.
 
We have the 150 and are very happy with it. Pulls like a train and averages around 9.5l/100km fully loaded.
 
We bought our 180 last year and by far the best we had a 150 and thought it good but the current engine suits us much better especially when towing???

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G7UXG said:
I’ve recently taken delivery of a new 180 (2.3 litre) in a 5000kg tag axle. Having had three 3-litre 180s previously I have to say that I was very apprehensive.

After 2500 miles I’m not disappointed. Plenty of power for the job in hand.

I’d go for the most powerful version that I could afford.
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We have the 2.3 litre 180 bhp and in my opinion it’s totally useless compared to the 3.0 litre 160 bhp we had ⚠️??
I certainly won’t be buying another Fiat and definitely not another HYMER.
 
Against the general belief, I think my 130 tows better than my 150 did.
It’s not as quick, but IMO towing is not about “quick”
 
It's a pity that Fiat Chrysler never offered us their standard engine on the US Ducato clone called the Dodge Ram Promaster. (The diesel we get is an option)

For the petrol heads, it's a 3.6l Pentastar V6, 280 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque.

With a conventional automatic gearbox.

Winnebago and other US converters produce PVCs based on it.
 

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