Fiat going AdBlue (1 Viewer)

[Pausim]

Talking to a Carthago dealer today who says all 2020 models will have the AdBlue system. The new Fiat chassis will have AdBlue engines and all the 2019 model build slots are already booked. Looks like my Carthago with a June build date will be one of the last off the line with EGR instead of AdBlue.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Its the only way to meet the Euro 6 "Step D" emissions

 

[Nosmo King]

Step D?

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[Lenny HB]

When their first Euro 6 engine came out they said they would be changing to and AdBlue system in 12 months. That was over 2½ years ago

 

[Steve and Denise]

Does that mean the 3.0ltr May come back ?

 

[DanielFord]

All I can say, had to rent a van the other week (regular van, not a motorhome) and it was a Ducato with the adblue system. It was a hell of a lot more responsive and torquey than our 2011 motorhome!
Yes you have to buy the adblue (which is essentially urine) but the economy is so much better, I wouldn't worry too much.

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[tonyidle]

EGR is a bodge. It works by feeding exhaust gas back into the inlet to cool combustion and reduce NoX - the exact opposite of what's required for maximum power and economy. Extended mileage sees the inlet tract caked with the products of combustion. Adblue is injected downstream of the engine into a catalytic converter in the exhaust and has no effect on engine efficiency, power output, or economy. A much better system.

 

[Jim]

We've just leased a 2019 Citroën Relay van. 2L 130bhp. It has the dreaded AdBlue filler cap.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

We bought a new Citroen C4 just over two years ago, Euro6 adblue. We’ve done just over 18000 miles and have never even looked at the adblue system. Once the adblue tank is topped up it can last 12000 miles so it just gets topped up at service.

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[jongood]

The problem with adblue is its very corrosive. Its been used in HGV's for a few years now and problems have been emerging for a while with corrosion in the tanks causing level misreads and sensor problems.

Have a google of 'adblue issues'

 

[Hettie's Crew]

The problem with adblue is its very corrosive. Its been used in HGV's for a few years now and problems have been emerging for a while with corrosion in the tanks causing level misreads and sensor problems.

Have a google of 'adblue issues'

The tank is plastic so shouldn’t that have been sorted now.

 

[jongood]

The tank is plastic so shouldn’t that have been sorted now.

The tanks have always been plastic its the metal bits inside that give trouble.

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[CazPaul]

The problem with adblue is its very corrosive. Its been used in HGV's for a few years now and problems have been emerging for a while with corrosion in the tanks causing level misreads and sensor problems.

Have a google of 'adblue issues'

You need to then weigh this up along Fiat EGR issues though Jon when you research.

 

[Lenny HB]

We've just leased a 2019 Citroën Relay van. 2L 130bhp. It has the dreaded AdBlue filler cap.

Hb

We bought a new Citroen C4 just over two years ago, Euro6 adblue. We’ve done just over 18000 miles and have never even looked at the adblue system. Once the adblue tank is topped up it can last 12000 miles so it just gets topped up at service.

Haven't they got the Ford engine rather than the Iveco.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Step D?

Hi
Apologies, that's how the truck world is referring to it

Also known as Euro 6.2 and Euro 6.3
I believe Euro 6.3 becomes the standard on all newly registered Vans (LCVs) in Jan 2020 (correct me if I'm wrong)
To meet this more stringent (than plain Euro 6) level, manufacturers have had to go Ad Blu, even the ones in the minority that were clinging to EGR only
Bear in mind the manufacturers are retaining EGR in some form along side SCR, ie both technologies

Trucks have to meet the new level from 1st Sept 2019

My concern is that the areas/cities proposing LEZs now will just keep moving the goalposts so that, for instance, your Euro 6.2 which is ok today, may need to be a 6.3 in a couple of years

Nightmare

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[Hettie's Crew]

Haven't they got the Ford engine rather than the Iveco.

PSA/Ford joint venture, because Ford were always crap at diesels and needed help. Not Iveco or directly related to the original post, just commenting on something @Jim said.

 

[jongood]

You need to then weigh this up along Fiat EGR issues though Jon when you research.

My plan is that I'm very unlikely to be going any newer and may well go back a few years when I change.
Although I could possibly be tempted by a proper hybrid.

 

[nicholsong]

AdBlue tank, fluid and system - another incursion into payload. What does it weigh if tank filled?

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[funflair]

AdBlue tank, fluid and system - another incursion into payload. What does it weigh if tank filled?

Hi Geoff

I would be more worried about the potential for additional problems rather than the extra weight of a plastic tank and a few litre of pig p---, if you look at the exhaust system on a modern IVECO daily it's bristling with sensors, ours is just a lump of steel pipe.

Martin

 

[funflair]

My plan is that I'm very unlikely to be going any newer and may well go back a few years when I change.
Although I could possibly be tempted by a proper hybrid.

You might have to wait a while to find one of those on the used market Jon.

Martin

 

[nicholsong]

Hi Geoff

I would be more worried about the potential for additional problems rather than the extra weight of a plastic tank and a few litre of pig p---, if you look at the exhaust system on a modern IVECO daily it's bristling with sensors, ours is just a lump of steel pipe.

Martin

I was thinking more of the small payloads for under 3.5t, not on likes of your truck chassis.

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[funflair]

I was thinking more of the small payloads for under 3.5t, not on likes of your truck chassis.

Still a lot of extra sensors but yes I take your point about 3.5t.

Martin

 

[gus-lopez]

I was thinking more of the small payloads for under 3.5t, not on likes of your truck chassis.

tank is usually 10l so around 10kgs.
Citroen used to use a version of adblue that was unique to them. mate has in on his 2010 C5. tank is behind a panel under the floor at back. 3 different types of 'citroen' jollop.

 

[Simon Select]

Hb

Haven't they got the Ford engine rather than the Iveco.

The Relay's used to use the Transit 2.2 Puma engine. PSA took the choice to put the far better PSA 2.0 lump in finally! The Puma engine used to sound like a bag of nails when it started!

Cactus has always had the PSA (Peugeot Citroen engine in it)

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[Simon Select]

tank is usually 10l so around 10kgs.
Citroen used to use a version of adblue that was unique to them. mate has in on his 2010 C5. tank is behind a panel under the floor at back. 3 different types of 'citroen' jollop.

Nothing to do with Ad-Blue, it was for the Eolys system. It used to basically lube up a DPF filter to aid the regen process. Back then DPF were very new technology so lots of things being tried.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Nothing to do with Ad-Blue, it was for the Eolys system. It used to basically lube up a DPF filter to aid the regen process. Back then DPF were very new technology so lots of things being tried.

Was it called "FAP" ?

 

[Simon Select]

Was it called "FAP" ?

The DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) was known as a FAP. Nowadays they are literally just known as a DPF.

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[Steve and Denise]

We had a new transit van last October to replace our 2year old euro 5 125hp this is euro 6 130hp with ad blue pulls well 8,000 miles up to now never topped it up yet.

 

[Tony and Andree]

Hi our works van is a Citroen a big high top model 67 reg with 2ltr diesel engine and the Ad blue warning light came on. Checked the handbook and found we had 1500 miles left in the tank, once that 1500 miles is reached if you don't fill the ad blue tank the engine will not start due to emission regs. According to the handbook there are 14 litres of adblue in the tank we put about 11 litres in it. In the glove box is a funnel specifically for filling the tank. The van is the same body type and size used for motor homes, hope this helps.
Tony

 

[Pausim]

My concern is that the areas/cities proposing LEZs now will just keep moving the goalposts so that, for instance, your Euro 6.2 which is ok today, may need to be a 6.3 in a couple of years

My understanding is that step D/Euro 6.3 is not about new emissions levels but about accurate test procedures, which some manufacturers (Fiat) are finding challenging. I think the Euro 6 CO2 and NOX levels are not changing.

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