90 Days in 180, Should we be concerned yet? (1 Viewer)

[Captain Lloyd]

I believe not until the end of 2022 when the new European Travel Information and Authorisation (ETIAS) system comes into place.

When this comes into effect ETIAS will track overstay through the Entry/Exit system (EES).

EES will register third-country nationals entering and departing the Schengen Area, identifying anyone who overstays.

But until this happens

My story this year is;

Since June when the border to enter Spain reopened I have been back a forward 7 times not once has a border officer looked at my hard stamps in my passport, on 2 occasions leaving they have not bothered to stamp my passport.

One occasion entering Malaga airport recently when they were really busy they were doing the usual of just looking at the photo and waving people through.

To those of you who say to me when your passport is scanned it’s recorded I don’t believe that’s the case and have never met anyone who does they just think that’s what happens.

So I don’t believe I have anything to worry about this year when I get to overstaying by a few days.

I will let you know how I get on when this happens in November.

 

[Al n Val]

I raised this a few months back when I posted about my mate having stayed about 148 days, it was all poppycock and i'd made it all up some thought

Good luck to you and keep us posted as I think we'll be following suit very soon

Al

 

[SpeedyDux]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition ...

Just sayin' like.

 

[Figaro]

I guess it comes down to if your feeling lucky punk ?
Personally I'd not chance it as consequences could be quite severe, but each to their own

 

[orridge]

Good luck with that will be interesting to hear how you get on but from my experience I went to Denmark a couple of weeks ago by Air passport scanned and stamped both times.

Last week went to/from France via the Tunnel and passport stamped both times also.

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[deleted79651]

From the ANNEX to the COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION establishing a common "Practical Handbook for Border Guards" to be used by Member
States' competent authorities when carrying out the border control of persons and replacing Commission Recommendation C(2006) 5186 of 6 November 2006 [Updated 8 Oct 2019] Pages 23 et seq:

3.3. Border guards must systematically check third-country nationals against the following
databases:
 SIS (part on documents and part relevant for assessing if the persons in question
may represent a threat to the public policy, internal security, public health or
international relations of the Schengen States)
 SLTD;
 national databases containing information on stolen, misappropriated, lost and
invalidated travel documents; The border guards may also consult other national and Interpol databases.

Full document in hyperlink

EU Border Guard Technical Manual for Third Country Visitors

We have to wait and see whether the Regs are being enforced for everyone, or whether the EU is just looking for professional criminals rather than errant Motorhomers etc. But, just because the Regs may not be enforced at present, does not mean that they won't be in the future as the European Travel market gets back into full operation.

As long as anyone who is caught doesn't then moan on here about EU punishing UK, or claim that there's more serious crimes that need pursued. etc etc, I care not one iota

Steve

 

[Bessy765]

When your passport is scanned a record is kept, one of the reasons was if the authorities were looking for someone and they were identified as out of the country the system could be set to raise an alert if they re entered.

 

[Tea Bag]

Hi.
There is a clamp down on UK/GB cars and vehicles in our area. " Freds " True first name.. car was caught,it was a fine or snatched.... The fine was more than the car was worth,so he gave it to them. This IS true,not many months ago... Portugal IS sleepy town,but,they have computors in all GNR cars and can even tell at the side of the road if you owe any tolls from way back .
They are firm but fair. I was at a routine stop,all paperwork for the car spot on,the officer looked at my UK licence,called his mate over,had a chat to him and came back to me. OOOps i thought. He pointed at the licence and told me to get it renewed,as it ran out in about 6 weeks. Guess who now has a Porty Licence...............
Tea Bag

 

[royandsharont]

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………..To those of you who say to me when your passport is scanned it’s recorded I don’t believe that’s the case and have never met anyone who does they just think that’s what happens……….

With regards to this aspect of the OP I can personally say when I exited the UK in 2011 and returned a year later the Immigration Officer at the Eurotunnel scanned my passport and then said “You’ve been out of the country a long time, do you own a property abroad?” He clearly had the ability to see my departures & arrivals instantly. I cannot believe things are harder now to detect.

 

[Westbarn1]

To quote Clint Eastwood "do you feel lucky, punk!"
Met a couple in Spain last September, touring with car/caravan, stayed in touch, they only returned recently to UK via channel crossing and got away with it, but were they just lucky!

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[Jim]

We'll know how they treat over-stayers soon enough. Plenty of fools will play at canary for us.

 

[Captain Lloyd]

We'll know how they treat over-stayers soon enough. Plenty of fools will play at canary for us.

So I flew into Malaga 3 days ago as I have left my MH here, turnstiles had gone now there are 6 border control booths so even though it was busy went through really quickly this time no scanning of passport just stamping not interested in the slightest of all my previous stamps.
As I have said before some of my previous visits my passport has not been stamped so if you were to look at it now it reads I have been in Spain well over 120 days within the last 6 months.
I am convinced nothing is going to happen until this new visa system comes in to operation at the end of 2022.
I’ll cary on being a canary for you Jim.

 

[Littlewheels]

So I flew into Malaga 3 days ago as I have left my MH here, turnstiles had gone now there are 6 border control booths so even though it was busy went through really quickly this time no scanning of passport just stamping not interested in the slightest of all my previous stamps.
As I have said before some of my previous visits my passport has not been stamped so if you were to look at it now it reads I have been in Spain well over 120 days within the last 6 months.
I am convinced nothing is going to happen until this new visa system comes in to operation at the end of 2022.
I’ll cary on being a canary for you Jim.

The sad fact is that people in general want anyone to fail in enjoying an overstay instead of wishing them in their way and saying good on you.

 

[2657]

So I flew into Malaga 3 days ago as I have left my MH here, turnstiles had gone now there are 6 border control booths so even though it was busy went through really quickly this time no scanning of passport just stamping not interested in the slightest of all my previous stamps.
As I have said before some of my previous visits my passport has not been stamped so if you were to look at it now it reads I have been in Spain well over 120 days within the last 6 months.
I am convinced nothing is going to happen until this new visa system comes in to operation at the end of 2022.
I’ll cary on being a canary for you Jim.

The sad fact is that people in general want anyone to fail in enjoying an overstay instead of wishing them in their way and saying good on you.

So it's OK to break the law when it suits?

 

[Littlewheels]

So it's OK to break the law when it suits?

Or bend it and l do not think this to be a law.

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[Nanniemate]

I was brought up to respect the people and the country in which I was a guest that included their laws and culture , will you be opening a HAND CAR WASH as that is the way many illegals get by in Britain
I wonder if it was introduced that vehicles were seized would that change the attitude to breaking other counties laws.

 

[Landy Andy]

So it's OK to break the law when it suits?

Yes.

 

[Tigertom]

So it's OK to break the law when it suits?

Haha, of course it is, who can honestly say they’ve never broken a law deliberately.
If it’s a serious crime you do the time

 

[JJ]

So it's OK to break the law when it suits?

Depends which law...

JJ

 

[jongood]

So it's OK to break the law when it suits?

Isnt this the same law the same people were breaking last year and its own citizens regularly break?

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[chrisandbev]

its just such a shame we can not visit the eu spend our hard earned cash and return back to the uk when we want.

 

[Captain Lloyd]

its just such a shame we can not visit the eu spend our hard earned cash and return back to the uk when we want.

My hope is a holiday visa will be introduced that you will be able to buy to stay longer

 

[EuroTrotters]

I’m still trying to find an official calculator.

So for the time being I’m using an app/web based one.

A young man was detained on my flight from Alicante on Sunday. He was being sent back the next day. Though I don’t know why.

 

[Tea Bag]

I wonder if it was introduced that vehicles were seized w

Hi.
Portugal ,vehicles. YES and NOW ( Bit of a Lotto ),can be seized or you are given 24/48 hours to get it OUT of the country. That focuses minds.
Tea Bag.

 

[Northernraider]

I have to say being truthful ...i don't really have much respect for laws

Morals are more important to me ....i believe all men are equal regardless of what money they have and what job they do and i therefore do not agree with someone else controlling my life, decisions and freedoms . Noone has to agree with me ...they also have those freedoms.

Many many many laws are just downright stupid and created to appease one group of people while completely disregarding another group of people.

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[bobandjanie]

There was a discussion on Citizen advise Spain, where as the person had to prove they were in Spain the required amount of time to retain residency, and someone gave this advice.

Also you can apply to the passport office for a record of all your travel - your passport nowadays is always scanned and has been for some time - also you register your passport number with the airline companies who register your travel with them which in turn is submitted electronically to the passport office so you can get a legal activity report on your foreign travel - my friend got one to prove that she came to spain and didn’t leave - the link is on the passport office website I believe or you can call them - you have to send them some documentation in order for them to provide you with the evidence of digital travel record - but it’s there if you need it.

Bob.

 

[deleted79651]

The sad fact is that people in general want anyone to fail in enjoying an overstay instead of wishing them in their way and saying good on you.

Why would anyone support 'enjoying an overstay' when this involves breaking the law?

Steve

 

[DelMar]

The reason we have this law, is because people voted for it, we can’t suddenly decide we don’t like it. Unfortunately we are stuck with it, as are other countries outside the EU. If those of you wish to break that law, so be it, but remember to take it on the chin if caught. We are only guests in Europe now.

 

[Littlewheels]

Why would anyone support 'enjoying an overstay' when this involves breaking the law?

Steve

I have already stated l do not believe it to be a law. An infringement of EU restrictions on none EU residents at most.The point was the subject got jumped in just as you are doing.Armchair warrior sitting judge and jury over someone else’s freedom or way of life.

 

[Captain Lloyd]

Why would anyone support 'enjoying an overstay' when this involves breaking the law?

Steve

I have NOT overstayed, I said my passport has not been stamped twice now when leaving Spain therefore it appears looking at it I have been here a lot longer than i actually have.

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