How to screw into a Hymer

[Hymerbell]

Hi....does anyone know what you can screw into a Hymer garage....screw type, screw length. Can you screw straight into the garage floor and walls. I want to screw down an aluminium holding bar onto the floor of the garage so I can lash down a motor scooter to it and worried I might screw right through the floor.

Also on the garage rear wall if I wanted to build some sort of shelf system can I screw the batons to the wall or should I use Silkaflex or Gorilla, No Nails glue....I’d hate to see the sudden appearance of the tip of a screw coming through the rear of the van ?

 

[funflair]

Well if the screw does go right through you will have somewhere to hang your coat, BUT this could be avoided by using one that is not too long as in no more than 15mm through the first skin say, although I don't know how good Hymer walls are for this type of thing.

As for holding down the scooter I would say that you want to bolt right through the garage floor with a penny washer on the outside to spread the load.

Martin

 

[Lenny HB]

I've screwed to my rear wall (my inner walls are aluminium). If yours are ply bear in mind it's only 2 or 3mm ply so best to use a cavity fixer if you need support any weight.
I would use Sika of the floor again depends what the floor is mine is GRP. If you need strong supports with the floor you can bolt right through.
Insulation in the wall is 33mm.

 

[bigtwin]

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Ian

 

[Hymerbell]

Hmm....so is the rear wall total thickness 33mm....so I can use a15mm screw? I want to put a 2 meter wooden button across the rear wall and side buttons and the a shelf in it...and then boxes of stuff in the shelf...I might leave the garage floor bit and use the existing eye bolts on the wall nearest the rear axle.

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[63720]

Have you considered adhesive instead of screws, there's some great products such as No More Nails out there.

 

[pappajohn]

I want to screw down an aluminium holding bar onto the floor of the garage so I can lash down a motor scooter to it and worried I might screw right through the floor.

I certainly wouldn't use screws to hold down a motorbike.
I would drill through and use coach bolts and large washers underneath with plenty sealant under the washers.

 

[Hymerbell]

Have you considered adhesive instead of screws, there's some great products such as No More Nails out there.

Yes I have...I think that is the way to go....

 

[Hymerbell]

I certainly wouldn't use screws to hold down a motorbike.
I would drill through and use coach bolts and large washers underneath with plenty sealant under the washers.

Yes I think you’re right....although I saw some picture on another thread about garages where someone had just put a sheet of plywood down and attached a front scooter wheel thingy to it....

 

[pappajohn]

Yes I think you’re right....although I saw some picture on another thread about garages where someone had just put a sheet of plywood down and attached a front scooter wheel thingy to it....

100kg of scooter stopping almost instantly from 50/60mph in a bad accident is going to rip screws straight out and the scoot will carry on through the front of the garage into the living area..... Feeling lucky?
Mine would be bolted with large washers.

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[Chris]

I totally misread this thread title.

I thought it was a sex education question about getting it on in a Hymer.

I am no better qualified to answer the question I thought it was than the actual question.

 

[Wagoneer]

Your particular garage shape, with the box-out for the step to the 2 single beds, probably means the scooter will need to be located towards the rear of the garage. You need space beside the scooter to push it in and strap it down. Suggest you don't clutter the rear wall with shelves etc.

For your garage configuration it's best IMO to put shelves etc on the front wall.

 

[Stewart J]

Yes I think you’re right....although I saw some picture on another thread about garages where someone had just put a sheet of plywood down and attached a front scooter wheel thingy to it....

Not quite I have a lower fixing rail and plenty of lashing straps it does not move and hasn’t in several thousand miles touring Spain whilst distracted I hit a large speed bump which dislodged all sorts but the scoot never moved it all depends on how it’s lashed down.

 

[dabhand]

I totally misread this thread title.

I thought it was a sex education question about getting it on in a Hymer.

I am no better qualified to answer the question I thought it was than the actual question.

Do you know all about shagging in the boot of a Hymer then? Or is that shagging a boot in the back of a Hymer?

 

[peterc10]

Hi....does anyone know what you can screw into a Hymer garage....screw type, screw length. Can you screw straight into the garage floor and walls. I want to screw down an aluminium holding bar onto the floor of the garage so I can lash down a motor scooter to it and worried I might screw right through the floor.

Also on the garage rear wall if I wanted to build some sort of shelf system can I screw the batons to the wall or should I use Silkaflex or Gorilla, No Nails glue....I’d hate to see the sudden appearance of the tip of a screw coming through the rear of the van ?

You are not going to get a fixing strong enough to hold a scooter in 3mm ply. Drill through the floor and use stainless steel nuts and bolts. Spread the load under the floor by bolting through an ali strip 40mm x 5mm the same length as the fixing rail you are fixing in the garage. Plenty of sealant around each of drilled holes.

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[Hymerbell]

Your particular garage shape, with the box-out for the step to the 2 single beds, probably means the scooter will need to be located towards the rear of the garage. You need space beside the scooter to push it in and strap it down. Suggest you don't clutter the rear wall with shelves etc.

For your garage configuration it's best IMO to put shelves etc on the front wall.

Yes I did think that myself...I’m going to put a scooter in and see what room I’ve got...I’ve also got an original Hymer integrated pull out scooter on the back and was tinkering with the idea of putting the scooter on the back but then I’d probably have problems with axle weight unless I just filled the garage with polystyrene blocks....plus prefer the scooter to be in the garage....I need to get a scooter and get to a weigh station.

 

[Hymerbell]

100kg of scooter stopping almost instantly from 50/60mph in a bad accident is going to rip screws straight out and the scoot will carry on through the front of the garage into the living area..... Feeling lucky?
Mine would be bolted with large washers.

I like to think I’m a glass half full type of guy....or at worst an idiot..

 

[peterc10]

.I need to get a scooter and get to a weigh station.

I think you may have got that to do list in the wrong order. Otherwise you may waste a lot of money.

 

[Hymerbell]

Not quite I have a lower fixing rail and plenty of lashing straps it does not move and hasn’t in several thousand miles touring Spain whilst distracted I hit a large speed bump which dislodged all sorts but the scoot never moved it all depends on how it’s lashed down.View attachment 367870View attachment 367871View attachment 367872View attachment 367873View attachment 367874

Ah yes that’s it...when you say a lower fixing rail do you mean the one on the side....I’ve got one of those. The plywood base though is not bolted through the floor then...is that correct ?

 

[Hymerbell]

I think you may have got that to do list in the wrong order. Otherwise you may waste a lot of money.

Wise words...I’ll change the sequence ?

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[Hymerbell]

Other problem I’ve got is that the garage door seems to be about 113cm high if you exclude the rubber seals and the Honda SH125 seems to be 115cm....the Honda Vision 110 is 113cm....but then presumably with the ramp I would need more than 113cm opening depending on the length of the ramp I think....whereas if the scooter is on the scooter rack then don’t have a height issue....and is a Honda Vision110 powerful enough for two especially up hills...

 

[peterc10]

Ah yes that’s it...when you say a lower fixing rail do you mean the one on the side....I’ve got one of those.

Most Hymers with a decent sized garage have one of those rails on each side If yours does you can use it to hold the Scooter down. Use 4 straps on the diagonal, not only will it hold it down it will stop it moving side to side. That is what we have done and it has been OK for over 30,000 miles

This is a photo of my Suzuki Address in my garage. I also have a wheel chock that I push the front wheel into. That is bolted through the floor.

Edit. There are another two straps on the other side of the scooter that you cannot see.

 

[Stewart J]

Ah yes that’s it...when you say a lower fixing rail do you mean the one on the side....I’ve got one of those. The plywood base though is not bolted through the floor then...is that correct ?

That is correct the plywood base is cut to the exact with of the garage to stop sideways movement it’s made of 2 pieces to allow bolts heads to be flush. If is 500mm wide so when not in use I refit the carpet tiles. Properly lashed it will not move, I secure it to the plywood base with ratchet straps but use cam lock straps through the sliding eye bolts on the aluminium rail (ratchet straps would distort/ rip out eye bolts on the rail it’s only a couple of mm thick)

 

[peterc10]

Other problem I’ve got is that the garage door seems to be about 113cm high if you exclude the rubber seals and the Honda SH125 seems to be 115cm....the Honda Vision 110 is 113cm....but then presumably with the ramp I would need more than 113cm opening depending on the length of the ramp I think....whereas if the scooter is on the scooter rack then don’t have a height issue....and is a Honda Vision110 powerful enough for two especially up hills...

According the brochure our door is 1140mm high, but I have never measured it. I take the mirrors and top box off and my Address makes it easily. According to Suzuki it is 1095mm high

 

[Hymerbell]

That is correct the plywood base is cut to the exact with of the garage to stop sideways movement it’s made of 2 pieces to allow bolts heads to be flush. If is 500mm wide so when not in use I refit the carpet tiles. Properly lashed it will not move, I secure it to the plywood base with ratchet straps but use cam lock straps through the sliding eye bolts on the aluminium rail (ratchet straps would distort/ rip out eye bolts on the rail it’s only a couple of mm thick)View attachment 368076View attachment 368077View attachment 368078View attachment 368079

Looks very neat....might go with that...so what...two 5mm plywood boards sandwiched together ? Interesting about not using ratchet straps on the eye bolts....I would have just assumed that the eye bolts and rail would be strong enough...I’m off to get my tools...

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[Hymerbell]

According the brochure our door is 1140mm high, but I have never measured it. I take the mirrors and top box off and my Address makes it easily. According to Suzuki it is 1095mm high

Yes I think mine must be 1140mm high...the Honda SH125 is 1150 mm tall...plus I thought I would have to allow a bit for the ramp effect....I looked at a SH125 and it does seem quite a bit chunkier than the Honda Vision 110 and would take up more space....is your Suzuki a 110cc...and is it OK for two up ?

 

[peterc10]

Y.and is it OK for two up ?

Depends what you mean by "OK". It is fine around town and on country roads with 2 up, which is what we bought it for. Bit slow on the hills, but it will get you both up them. But it would be no good for motorway speeds.

One thing I know for sure is that it is much better and easier to ride than the first (and only) motorbike/scooter I ever had, which was a Lambretta Li150 weighed down with chrome, which I got rid of in 1968. If you are a keen motorbiker, which you aren't because you have never had a licence, you would probably not think much of it.

But bear in mind that I have a unique speed limiting device on my particular scooter. It emits a high frequency squeal followed by a thump in the back if it thinks I am going to fast.

 

[Hymerbell]

Depends what you mean by "OK". It is fine around town and on country roads with 2 up, which is what we bought it for. Bit slow on the hills, but it will get you both up them. But it would be no good for motorway speeds.

One thing I know for sure is that it is much better and easier to ride than the first (and only) motorbike/scooter I ever had, which was a Lambretta Li150 weighed down with chrome, which I got rid of in 1968. If you are a keen motorbiker, which you aren't because you have never had a licence, you would probably not think much of it.

But bear in mind that I have unique speed limiting device on my particular scooter. It emits a high frequency squeal followed by a thump in the back if it thinks I am going to fast.

HaHa...yes I’ve got one of those....they seem quite common

 

[Hymerbell]

That is correct the plywood base is cut to the exact with of the garage to stop sideways movement it’s made of 2 pieces to allow bolts heads to be flush. If is 500mm wide so when not in use I refit the carpet tiles. Properly lashed it will not move, I secure it to the plywood base with ratchet straps but use cam lock straps through the sliding eye bolts on the aluminium rail (ratchet straps would distort/ rip out eye bolts on the rail it’s only a couple of mm thick)View attachment 368076View attachment 368077View attachment 368078View attachment 368079

This looks like it should do the trick although those bolts look a bit long...probably meant for going through the Garage floor rather than a piece if plywood

 

[Hymerbell]

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