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And yet they have the man power to set up dedicated sites ( similar in many ways to aires ) for travelers.. at least they have done in this area..Cash strapped councils just don't have the manpower & money to regularly extract the consequent piss takers from aires. like the guy who spent months camped up on Ayr sea front on his blue badge and of course travellers.
And besides which does'nt every council have a campsite owner on it ???
Anyway signed it
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Isn't there is a legal obligation to do so ?And yet they have the man power to set up dedicated sites ( similar in many ways to aires ) for travelers.. at least they have done in this area..
And guess what.. The travelers rarely use the sites, and when they do they refuse to pay a penny and always leave a total mess when they leave.
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And there is a legal obligation to PAY to use the facility and to CLEAR up all the crap which last time included a pile of human excrement !!Isn't there is a legal obligation to do so ?
It did for me as well and I certainly haven't signed it before as it is a complete and utter waste of time.Strange one this, when I go to the link it says , you have already signed, but I definitely havnt, and if I go to the sign thingy it lets me go to sign again.
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As with so many other matters to do with "travellers" the law is cr*p and almost impossible for councils and the police to enforce.And there is a legal obligation to PAY to use the facility and to CLEAR up all the crap which last time included a pile of human excrement !!
So why are the rules not enforced ?
Welllllll.. all the 'rules that are ignored and should be enforced by either the council or the council with police and or court officials in attendence ..
In the case of one of the one lot, I quote .
We are sorry but we have not received training in this area.
And the other bunch .. We cannot do anything as we cannot proceed without a full risk assessment being carried out
I am sure you can work out which
said what
Now then.. imagine what would happen if you were a full timer and pulled on to a travelers site.. which you are legitimately allowed to do.. and pulled the same stunts ? Methinks you would proly end up in deep doodoo.
On the other hand, if said site was used an an aires type place, the council would be paid for its use and I doubt very much there would be any mess to clear up one month to the next
Optimistic as usual then GrahamIt did for me as well and I certainly haven't signed it before as it is a complete and utter waste of time.
It's pointless to be optimistic about something which wouldn't even have a hope of succeeding even if it had the genuine support of its signatories.Optimistic as usual then Graham
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even unattended ones could have a pay system to allow you in...IMO.
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Nothing wrong with park and ride, as long as there are spaces for motorhomes, you can get into the towns, and they can be used for all vehicles but overnighting just for motorhomes is a different kettle of fish altogether.They could. That's the system in place at Canterbury.
But. There's always a but.
In each and every case before paying to install such a system and doing the other alterations needed the local authority in question will require accurate data about demand and projections as to how many units will pay to use the facility in the first month, quarter, year and so on. They will have a target time period to recoup their investment.
Who is going to provide them with that data? Remember it will be different for every location.
Vague pronouncements on an internet site that "oh, loads of people will use it" and stories about France aren't going to cut it I'm afraid.
Canterbury had the identified demand of being enroute to two major channel crossing points which obviously most other locations won't have.
Nothing wrong with park and ride, as long as there are spaces for motorhomes, you can get into the towns, and they can be used for all vehicles but overnighting just for motorhomes is a different kettle of fish altogether.
I have seen quite a few complaints about the parking in Whitby on here but a couple of months ago we were there and used their park and ride and thought it brilliant, easy to get to plenty motorhome spaces, and the fare to the centre of town was less than you have to pay for parking in some places, now, a petition for more of these would hold more water, the council get their money back the people have cheap parking , keeps traffic out of town, obviously won't be barriers else the bus's wouldn't get in, everyone's a winnerI agree. My post was answering Roy's comment about installing pay barriers.
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obviously won't be barriers else the bus's wouldn't get in, everyone's a winner
I know that but as there isn't a hope in hell of getting Aires , these have got to be the next best thing.If you look at Canterbury there are barriers there that everyone, cars and motorhomes have to go through. The buses don't go that far into the car park though so aren't affected. They also serve to keep the undesirables out as once you are through the entry barrier you aren't getting out again unless you pay.
Also this thread is specifically about aires and overnighting, not day time parking which is a completely different matter and not an issue at all in most places.
I haven't checked the figures lately but I don't think it is correct to say that most large towns have a park & ride system. Where they are in place there might be an opportunity to allow overnighting but it all depends, as Nick said, on making a sound case. I've suggested to several councils that they should do it and some are considering it but until the evidence is there to make a case for spending the money then they wont take the step.Don't see the problem of setting up Aires in the larger towns . Most have a park and ride system set up with an attendant..ok there maybe a height barrier,but with the attendants available to raise it there should be no extra cost to the council...even unattended ones could have a pay system to allow you in...IMO.
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I didn't think any of the aires petitions had reached the necessary threshold for a government response. Do you have any links?I read some of the govts responses to these petitions, talk about banging your head against a brick wall......The thinnest veneer of democracy is operating here!!!
I was looking at the ones that had reached the threshold for a response, not the Aires ones, sorry for the confusion. On the governments petition website there is a link to their responses.I didn't think any of the aires petitions had reached the necessary threshold for a government response. Do you have any links?
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