Got 2 empty Flo gas bottles for sale £10 each if anyone interested . Can take them to wrenbury.
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Shouldn't you return them to Flogas, after all they do own them don't they?
D.
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Why? How much are they offering? ;-)
You are right of course but in practice the tanks have a value to anyone needing empties to fill and the refunds on your purchase from Calor/Flo Gas etc are either paltry or non-existent.
Tim
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Can't get shut of them , scrap men won't have them
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So if I rented your motorhome off you and then sold it you'd not be upset? Differnet value but same issue surely?
D.
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and when they get it wrong BOOOOOOOOMI am not suggesting anyone does this, but have seen a few chimnea type log burners made using empty gas cylinders. they remove the valve, cut a hole in the top for a chimney and one in the side for a door. a clever use of cylinders beyond their working life and gives them another use before they become scrap metal
now just waiting for some plonker to ask where to cut their empty calor cylinder with an angle grinder
I don't think that's a very fair analogy. I must admit that I didn't know that Flo Gas don't charge for their cylinders which does change the picture.
I dislike the way that Calor charge an inflated "deposit" that quickly becomes valueless. If they gave back a full deposit then I'd be only too happy to return a cylinder to them.
Tim
It might also be worth considering that offering hire cylinders for sale on this forum puts the forum owner in a tricky position, by allowing the wdvert to remain in place he becomes implicated in the fraudulent sale of stolen property, how does that make you feel?
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It might also be worth considering that offering hire cylinders for sale on this forum puts the forum owner in a tricky position, by allowing the wdvert to remain in place he becomes implicated in the fraudulent sale of stolen property, how does that make you feel?
D.
I think it is a perfectly fair analogy, where Calor is concerned you pay a "deposit" or rental fee when you first take out a cylinder contract with them. If you then sell the empty cylinder you are stealing it from Calor and selling their property. Theft is just that regardless of your reasons, saying you don't like Calor's terms doesn't alter the fact it is theft!
If you hire a tool from an equipment hire company for a day or two does that give you the right to sell that tool when you've finished with it? NO IT DOESN'T, you return it to the hire shop.
As has been pointed out Flogas don't charge a deposit or rental fee on their cylinders which makes it even plainer and simpler that when empty they should be returned to a Flogas agent.
It might also be worth considering that offering hire cylinders for sale on this forum puts the forum owner in a tricky position, by allowing the wdvert to remain in place he becomes implicated in the fraudulent sale of stolen property, how does that make you feel?
D.
Sorry Dave, I still don't agree that your tool hire analogy is similar.
For tool hire you'll pay a time based charge and one way or another, there will be some sort of mechanism (either a large deposit or credit card details) to recover the cost in the event of non-return.
For Calor cylinders there is no time based fee but there is a deposit that rapidly diminishes in value. Your comments have prompted me to go back and check the Ts&Cs though and interestingly I see that the deposit no longer drops to zero so it looks like you do get something back on your cylinders at least now. :thumb: I'm sure it used to drop to zero after 5 years. I rather think that this probably happened when they unilaterally changed their agreement with me to prevent me swapping between all cylinder sizes.
As it happens I wouldn't sell an unwanted cylinder but would happily give one away to save someone else paying the full deposit. This too would of course be against the Ts&Cs. Would you object to this?
Tim
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first time I have herd of someone trying to sell flow gas bottles]
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_t...ttles&_nkw=flo+gas+bottles&_sacat=0&_from=R40
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Hi Tim, that is all totally beside my point which is the cylinders do not BELONG to you so they are not yours to sell (I'm not meaning "You" personally here, rather using the word in its wider context).
It is not so much that I personally object to it, more that it is simply illegal to sell, or even give away, material or equipment that simply does not belong to "you". If I lend you a screwdriver and you give it away to someone else how would you expect me to feel?
Selling or giving away material or equipment that is the property of someone else, whether they be a private individual or a multi national company is theft, simple as that!
D.
They all look better like this
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You're quite right that the cylinder doesn't belong to me. However, if someone sells or gives away the cylinder, it will still be exclusively refilled by Calor so they're not being deprived of the use of it or ownership, just the chance to force a new user into paying a new cylinder deposit. Calor still have full use (and legal ownership) of their "screwdriver" so it's not like me selling or giving away your screwdriver.
If you hired a small mower and were expected to put down a £160 deposit but found that when you took it back you only got £40 back you would I think feel with some justification that you now "owned" the mower, particularly if the mower new cost £120.
Now I don't know what a mass produced cylinder costs but I don't imagine it's a lot of money. I would concede that this too isn't a great analogy because cylinder are not rented from Calor.
Effectively, if you "sell" a cylinder you're not selling the metal & valves etc., they remain the property of Calor. What you're selling is your right to a refund on your deposit.
That doesn't strike me as being that evil or immoral.
That's actually rather good. I could imagine that lasting a lot better that ceramic or cheap cast iron ones.
Tim
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I'm going to stick my neck out and disagree with you on this as well Tim. Being steel the cylinder will oxidise quite quickly when subjected to the direct heat of fire inside it, cast iron doesn't oxidise anywhere near as quickly which is why fire bars for steam engines are made from cast iron. I used to be part of a small group who ran pre victorian steam engines, our first engine was the Trevithick "Coalbrookdale" engine which had gas cut steel firebars to start with, they didn't survive a full season of running so were replaced with cast iron bars which lasted for several seasons.
D.
The gas bottle chemnea in my back garden is now around 4 years old and shows no signs of fatigue. Get the draught right and the whole thing glows red.
And my cast iron chimenea in my back garden is now 6 years old! What does that prove?
D.
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