We have a 'bonus' French issued EU pet passport

[Peg Star]

Firstly I want to thank everyone who put together the information regarding getting a EU issued pet passport in the thread

Vets in EU - research project list​

I would not have thought about getting around the new documentation having not read all this valuable information. I had initially intended to put my query on that thread but didn't want to hijack a perfectly good posting.

We do have a French issued EU pet passport as this was issued as a bit of a 'safety net' by a French vet as when we went for health check and wormer on our last France visit it became evident our vet had put a couple of incorrect digits on her microchip number. The very nice French vet said it was a matter of goodwill that she issued us with a French passport as believed it to be a genuine error on the part of our vet, she also compiled a letter saying the same to accompany the new passport - which was very generous in our opinion. Our vet reissued our UK passport on our return with the correct details and kept the French one - I've been in touch and just been and collected the French one back from our vet. She has kindly copied the rabies vaccination details onto the French one for us too. Date of vaccine 12/06/2019 and French vet issued the passport of 28/08/2019. The vaccine is Nobivac which expires in June 2022 so if we manage to get over this summer, we will enquire about getting an equivalent three year booster whilst we are there and documented on the French passport. My query is, would you go 'belt and braces' the first year and also get the AHC as a back up in case any issues with UK nationals having a French pet passport or would you just go for it as the UK.GOV website states

• a microchip
• a valid rabies vaccination
• an animal health certificate unless you have a pet passport issued in an EUcountry or Northern Ireland

If my understanding is correct, everyone who is looking to get an EU issued passport on their next trip will need the AHC to leave the UK and enter the EU initially so will also be carrying this ........
From the information available we will have all the correct documentation but it also seems like a bit of a loophole ???
I'd appreciate your thoughts.....

 

[Minxy]

You have a genuine EU issued passport which met the requirements at the time it was issued and this hasn't been changed as it is still accepted in the EU so I can't see why you'd need an AHC as well.

 

[Peg Star]

You have a genuine EU issued passport which met the requirements at the time it was issued and this hasn't been changed as it is still accepted in the EU so I can't see why you'd need an AHC as well.

Yes I know your right. I think the uncertainty of the previous mistakes has made me a bit nervy .....

 

[gus-lopez]

yes you shouldn't have any problems with the French passport getting out.
You might come across the one who thinks it isn't correct & it sin't allowed but just stick to your guns insist on the boss, them ringing their equivalent of defra or eben defra.

 

[Peg Star]

yes you shouldn't have any problems with the French passport getting out.
You might come across the one who thinks it isn't correct & it sin't allowed but just stick to your guns insist on the boss, them ringing their equivalent of defra or eben defra.

You see that's when I'd go into the blind panic and wish I'd just paid for the AHC - being assertive is not my forte, luckily I have a husband who says it as it is - although he is as soft as shite with the pooch and nothing would be too much hassle to secure her safe passage. Think he's rather leave the kids behind than the dog

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[maz]

My query is, would you go 'belt and braces' the first year and also get the AHC as a back up in case any issues with UK nationals having a French pet passport or would you just go for it as the UK.GOV website states

• a microchip
• a valid rabies vaccination
• an animal health certificate unless you have a pet passport issued in an EUcountry or Northern Ireland

If my understanding is correct, everyone who is looking to get an EU issued passport on their next trip will need the AHC to leave the UK and enter the EU initially so will also be carrying this ........
From the information available we will have all the correct documentation but it also seems like a bit of a loophole ???
I'd appreciate your thoughts.....

No loophole. You are in the enviable position of already having an EU-issued Pet Passport so no need to get an AHC.

 

[Langtoftlad]

I wonder what Kerry's situation is... ?
She has an out of date Eire/EU passport from when she was imported as a racing dog.

Only idle curiosity as I have no plans to cross the Channel.

 

[Peg Star]

No loophole. You are in the enviable position of already having an EU-issued Pet Passport so no need to get an AHC.

Thank you, that’s reassuring.
Looks like a positive has come from a negative...... nice

 

[xsparks]

If your pet has an E.U. passport are there any rules for entering Europe like worming for instance?

 

[Peg Star]

No only certain countries, Finland, Ireland, Norway, Malta & Northern Ireland. Then usual worming to come home.

If your pet has an E.U. passport are there any rules for entering Europe like worming for instance?

I could do with finding out if our vet can still record general vaccine boosters on the French passport as all her jab records / stickers usually went on the uk one - I’m presuming not tbh. Not sure where these would be recorded - though she did just have a small card from RSPCA when we first had her so maybe they will just go on that?

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[maz]

I could do with finding out if our vet can still record general vaccine boosters on the French passport as all her jab records / stickers usually went on the uk one - I’m presuming not tbh. Not sure where these would be recorded - though she did just have a small card from RSPCA when we first had her so maybe they will just go on that?

I would only have rabies boosters recorded on the Pet Passport - and from now on these can only be given by an EU vet. All other vaccinations can just be recorded on a normal ‘Vaccination Record’ card.

 

[Minxy]

No only certain countries, Finland, Ireland, Norway, Malta & Northern Ireland. Then usual worming to come home.

I could do with finding out if our vet can still record general vaccine boosters on the French passport as all her jab records / stickers usually went on the uk one - I’m presuming not tbh. Not sure where these would be recorded - though she did just have a small card from RSPCA when we first had her so maybe they will just go on that?

We've never had anything other than the rabies boosters and worming info entered into the passport, normal vacs just go in their normal vac cards which we always take with us when we go away anyway.

 

[Peg Star]

Ah cool - thats good to know thank you.

 

[Peg Star]

I would only have rabies boosters recorded on the Pet Passport - and from now on these can only be given by an EU vet. All other vaccinations can just be recorded on a normal ‘Vaccination Record’ card.

Thats that sorted then - thank you.

 

[Peg Star]

Sorry you kindly people - just one other niggle on my mind..... anyone got any experience of mixing brands of rabies vaccines as will have to get a different one for a 3 year validation. Maybe just over thinking it - there has been talk that mixing the coronavirus vaccines may make them more potent, maybe the same for rabies

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[Minxy]

Sorry you kindly people - just one other niggle on my mind..... anyone got any experience of mixing brands of rabies vaccines as will have to get a different one for a 3 year validation. Maybe just over thinking it - there has been talk that mixing the coronavirus vaccines may make them more potent, maybe the same for rabies

Never had any issues, it's not as if they are given in such short periods so by the time the next one is needed there will have been a long duration so shouldn't cause any issues and I doubt if one will have any effect on another either. We've had dogs going abroad since 2005 and have never had any issues with the vacs at all.

 

[Peg Star]

That’s good to know thanks, whilst we’ve Motorhomed for many years, due to circumstances since we’ve had pooch we’ve only managed abroad the one year. Reassuring to get advice from the more experienced doggy travellers . I’m always really thorough about what jabs the kids get so only seems right to check out what’s ok for our little fury treasure pot.
Thanks again.

 

[Bessy765]

As far as I am aware, the same vaccine given by vets in the UK, with a three year life. Has only a one year life in France.

 

[emjaiuk]

Firstly I want to thank everyone who put together the information regarding getting a EU issued pet passport in the thread

Vets in EU - research project list​

I would not have thought about getting around the new documentation having not read all this valuable information. I had initially intended to put my query on that thread but didn't want to hijack a perfectly good posting.

We do have a French issued EU pet passport as this was issued as a bit of a 'safety net' by a French vet as when we went for health check and wormer on our last France visit it became evident our vet had put a couple of incorrect digits on her microchip number. The very nice French vet said it was a matter of goodwill that she issued us with a French passport as believed it to be a genuine error on the part of our vet, she also compiled a letter saying the same to accompany the new passport - which was very generous in our opinion. Our vet reissued our UK passport on our return with the correct details and kept the French one - I've been in touch and just been and collected the French one back from our vet. She has kindly copied the rabies vaccination details onto the French one for us too. Date of vaccine 12/06/2019 and French vet issued the passport of 28/08/2019. The vaccine is Nobivac which expires in June 2022 so if we manage to get over this summer, we will enquire about getting an equivalent three year booster whilst we are there and documented on the French passport. My query is, would you go 'belt and braces' the first year and also get the AHC as a back up in case any issues with UK nationals having a French pet passport or would you just go for it as the UK.GOV website states

• a microchip
• a valid rabies vaccination
• an animal health certificate unless you have a pet passport issued in an EUcountry or Northern Ireland

If my understanding is correct, everyone who is looking to get an EU issued passport on their next trip will need the AHC to leave the UK and enter the EU initially so will also be carrying this ........
From the information available we will have all the correct documentation but it also seems like a bit of a loophole ???
I'd appreciate your thoughts.....

Sorry to cast doubt, but when did your UK vet copy over the rabies details? If it was after 01/01/2021 it may be construed as a non EU vet making entries into an EU passport, which as I understand it isn't allowed.
If it was done prior to 31/12/2020 that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Peg Star]

As far as I am aware, the same vaccine given by vets in the UK, with a three year life. Has only a one year life in France.

Yeah appears so, so would be looking for an alternative 3 year one administered in France, don’t really want to be worrying about having to be in France every year at the same time to maintain the passport.

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[Peg Star]

Sorry to cast doubt, but when did your UK vet copy over the rabies details? If it was after 01/01/2021 it may be construed as a non EU vet making entries into an EU passport, which as I understand it isn't allowed.
If it was done prior to 31/12/2020 that shouldn't be a problem.

It doesn’t ask the date she wrote it, just the date it was given, when it’s valid from and when it expires so it could have been transferred from the date I arrived back at the vets in 2019 after the holiday debarcle. I picked the passport up today as it was left at the vets but couldn’t say when the details were copied over .
It wasn’t something I’d asked for but was a pleasant surprise when I opened it up!!

 

[Peg Star]

Sorry to cast doubt, but when did your UK vet copy over the rabies details? If it was after 01/01/2021 it may be construed as a non EU vet making entries into an EU passport, which as I understand it isn't allowed.
If it was done prior to 31/12/2020 that shouldn't be a problem.

I’m doubting it again now, I know it was stamped and signed just wondering if signature was dated - I’ll check tomorrow as been put away with our passports now. Glad you’ve got me to double check though.

 

[emjaiuk]

If your UK vet stamped and signed in 2020, then it's fine, they were still anEU vet.

 

[Peg Star]

If your UK vet stamped and signed in 2020, then it's fine, they were still anEU vet.

Just checked and whilst the entry has the name and address of our vet (not stamped) and signed in red ink it does not show a date this was put into the passport so without asking the vet I wouldn't know - would anyone else?
We had the antibody test done last year as wanted to get ahead of the game (turns out that was a waste of money) but the entry in the UK passport for this is August 2020, this hasn't been transferred to the French one so I might ask for this to be done - again this only gives the dates of the sample and results and not the date it was put in the passport. Just thinking it may give the passport extra validity if has a 2020 entry on it .......???

 

[emjaiuk]

I certainly wouldn't add anything else to the French passport, and if asked I would say the undated entry was done prior to 31/12/2021, and keep your fingers crossed.

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[tinkerbell]

Just wondering what other vets are charging for AHC certificate, mine is charging the same as a passport, 54.00, and is per visit abroad, not forever like the old passport gave, what are thoughts on this

 

[Lynne Roy]

Firstly I want to thank everyone who put together the information regarding getting a EU issued pet passport in the thread

Vets in EU - research project list​

I would not have thought about getting around the new documentation having not read all this valuable information. I had initially intended to put my query on that thread but didn't want to hijack a perfectly good posting.

We do have a French issued EU pet passport as this was issued as a bit of a 'safety net' by a French vet as when we went for health check and wormer on our last France visit it became evident our vet had put a couple of incorrect digits on her microchip number. The very nice French vet said it was a matter of goodwill that she issued us with a French passport as believed it to be a genuine error on the part of our vet, she also compiled a letter saying the same to accompany the new passport - which was very generous in our opinion. Our vet reissued our UK passport on our return with the correct details and kept the French one - I've been in touch and just been and collected the French one back from our vet. She has kindly copied the rabies vaccination details onto the French one for us too. Date of vaccine 12/06/2019 and French vet issued the passport of 28/08/2019. The vaccine is Nobivac which expires in June 2022 so if we manage to get over this summer, we will enquire about getting an equivalent three year booster whilst we are there and documented on the French passport. My query is, would you go 'belt and braces' the first year and also get the AHC as a back up in case any issues with UK nationals having a French pet passport or would you just go for it as the UK.GOV website states

• a microchip
• a valid rabies vaccination
• an animal health certificate unless you have a pet passport issued in an EUcountry or Northern Ireland

If my understanding is correct, everyone who is looking to get an EU issued passport on their next trip will need the AHC to leave the UK and enter the EU initially so will also be carrying this ........
From the information available we will have all the correct documentation but it also seems like a bit of a loophole ???
I'd appreciate your thoughts.....

My vet thinks we need it , hoping she is wrong

 

[Mia1108]

Is it worth taking the chance? I think I'd like to have the AHC certificate in my back pocket just in case it's needed. If I'm not asked for it then next time I might give it a go but not before I was absolutely certain.

 

[Lynne Roy]

Is it worth taking the chance? I think I'd like to have the AHC certificate in my back pocket just in case it's needed. If I'm not asked for it then next time I might give it a go but not before I was absolutely certain.

That’s what we have decided to do

 

[Peg Star]

Is it worth taking the chance? I think I'd like to have the AHC certificate in my back pocket just in case it's needed. If I'm not asked for it then next time I might give it a go but not before I was absolutely certain.

We’ll probably do the same tbh, was hoping by the time July came around many others would have tested the water but circumstances seem to be against us. Even if restrictions allow, still not sure if we’ll go!! Maybe make appointment with vet just in case as the window for issuing the AHC is so limited!!! Bloomin nuisance I know that much!! Our dog food manufacturer has a branch in the Netherlands so need to contact them too to see if they would deliver to French campsite if not allowed to take it with us . What with all that and then thinking about communicating with my much improved but still limited French with mask on (often struggle understanding folk in the shop at home!) makes you wonder if it’s worth it!!! Sorry my usual optimism appears to be waning.... I’m sure if we go we’ll love it and not want to come home, maybe even stay on longer and the Europeans really won’t hate us for having a shit hot vaccination programme and understand that we really really didn’t steal their vaccines we just did the very British thing of queuing up early long before the shop opened ??

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