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  1. Norfolk Nomad

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    Just had an email back from Svtech, they can uprate my Hymer 662 from 3500kg to 4000kg without any mechanical changes, this would give me a payload of 900kg. Apart from the lower speed limits in the EU and the higher tolls are there any disadvantages?
    I have a C1 and have got 10 years until I need a medical.
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    When you come to sell it you may find it harder to sell (if the buyer doesn't have C1). Conversely though I believe that there is cheaper Road tax as it changes group ;)
     
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    I guess axel weight is something to watch as you could easily fall foul of overloading the rear axel.
     
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    You dont have a lower speed limit in the UK as you are not a goods vehicle with a tachograph.
     
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    Unless posted otherwise :
    Single Track roads 50 mph
    Dual carriageways 60 mph
    Motorways 70 mph
     
  7. Norfolk Nomad

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    That's why I put EU, I don't consider the UK as part of the EU anymore:)
     
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    Not in the UK, speed limit is based on unladen weight
     
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    when you come to sell you can downrate if you want , paper exercise , and as mentioned phgv is lower road tax :)
     
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    Email sent
    Thank you.
     
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    As far as we are concerned there are no disadvantages you have plenty of payload and as far as the back axle goes don't worry about it you can spread the load with care we have an Exsis I @4250 kg and regularly travel for long trips 3 or 4 months at a time and are able to carry all we need for the two of us and the two dogs also tow a car trailer without worrying about overloading(y)(y)(y)
    By the way I know there are other company's but SV Tech are worth the money although there are those that would disagree.
     
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    And when plated at 4000kgs, if that gives you a payload of 900kgs then your motorhome must weigh 3100kgs unladen. If it's over 3050kgs unladen weight then it's 50mph on a single carriageway, 60mph on a dual carriageway and 70mph on a motorway.

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    Good point but the unladen weight is not listed anywhere on the V5 or the weight plate, so unless oldbill want's to unload everything and weigh it I don't see it being a problem.
     
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    My V5 has a mass in service of 3045KG and a revenue weight of 4500KG Gross so I am not restricted to the lower speed limits.
    If My mass in service was over 3050KG I presume it would be restricted to the lower speed limit.
     
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    Payload as stated by manufacturers is the differene between MIRO and MAM, they do not specify the unladen weight, at a guess the unladen weight would be around 2900kg.
     
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    Max weight - Payload is NOT Unladen Weight. It's MIRO.

    Unladen Weight and Mass In Running Order are two completely different things. As far as I know no motorhome converter anywhere in the world specifies an unladen weight anywhere on any official documentation.

    The reason for that is that it would be impossible. There is a specific legal definition of Unladen Weight part of which requires that the vehicle has no fluids - fuel, lubricants, coolants etc - in it. As the converters don't build the base chassis they have no practical way of weighing the completed vehicle with no fluids so they don't even try to.

    The only place it will ever be asked for is in this stupid unenforceable loophole in the UK speed limit laws.

    Unladen Weight is only used to determine speed limits for motor caravans. No other class of vehicle.
     
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    Be aware that DVLA are inconsistent regarding changes to category F.1 (MPM) on your V5 log book.

    We went through the up-plating process recently via SVTech (extremely helpful and informative people) and a local fitting service who installed air assist suspension. Where it all went wrong was getting DVLA to change category F.1 MPM (Maximum Permissable Mass) - basically they didn't. All they changed was the Revenue Weight because the V5's change of details section doesn't include MPM.

    When I re-submitted my V5 to DVLA for a change to MPM the Post Office 'lost' it (more likely it was nicked). I received the replacement with only a couple of days to spare before a trip abroad.

    Meanwhile, someone out there knows there's a new motorhome connected to our address. Bloody brilliant.

    Two tips - write a covering letter to DVLA asking for MPM to be changed as well as Revenue Weight when you send the V5 off. Secondly, send the V5 by Special Delivery ONLY. That way you'll be compensated if Royal Fail lose it.
     
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    Its very rare for the MPM to be on the V5 of a motorhome. I don't know why. None of mine have ever has it in.
     
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