Trouble shooting!!!!

[JJ20]

Hi everyone

I'm having trouble with the first cold start of the day on a Peugeot Boxer 64 plate 2.2Hdi motorhome, 10k on the clock.

This only happens on the first start when cold and only started doing it since the colder weather kicked in, after the first start and warm it runs and starts like a dream. On start up when cold it also runs abit rough/lumpy.

I have trust issues with alot of my local garages after being in this area my whole life I know alot of them are pretty bad garages and the good one I do trust can't get it in his garage due to size and full until January anyway and I need the problem sorting asap due to us going away in the motorhome soon. I would try Peugeot but after reading the reviews I'm hesitant to use them.

Anyway I've had the fuel filter changed recently and added some decent additive as my initial thought was fuel injectors but like I said it runs like a dream once warm so now I'm thinking possibly glow plugs?

Has anyone had similar issues with this year of peugeot boxer, I'm asking as I'm not the best with mechanics and I'm just checking there isn't any other common problems with this year of boxer that I might not be aware of.

Thanks in advance.

 

[meanders]

Look round for a truck / commercial vehicles specialist.

 

[Oldbob]

Sounds like glow plugs. That would make starting bad, then lumpy until cylinders have warmed up.

 

[The Wino]

Hi everyone

I'm having trouble with the first cold start of the day on a Peugeot Boxer 64 plate 2.2Hdi motorhome, 10k on the clock.

This only happens on the first start when cold and only started doing it since the colder weather kicked in, after the first start and warm it runs and starts like a dream. On start up when cold it also runs abit rough/lumpy.

I have trust issues with alot of my local garages after being in this area my whole life I know alot of them are pretty bad garages and the good one I do trust can't get it in his garage due to size and full until January anyway and I need the problem sorting asap due to us going away in the motorhome soon. I would try Peugeot but after reading the reviews I'm hesitant to use them.

Anyway I've had the fuel filter changed recently and added some decent additive as my initial thought was fuel injectors but like I said it runs like a dream once warm so now I'm thinking possibly glow plugs?

Has anyone had similar issues with this year of peugeot boxer, I'm asking as I'm not the best with mechanics and I'm just checking there isn't any other common problems with this year of boxer that I might not be aware of.

Thanks in advance.

I would fully charge the battery then try it on a cold morning again before trying more expensive cures especially if its not used a lot in winter and on the original battery

 

[JJ20]

I would fully charge the battery then try it on a cold morning again before trying more expensive cures especially if its not used a lot in winter and on the original battery

Yeah I thought the same too, I forgot to mention I took it to auto electricians to test the battery and it's in perfect condition.

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[Wagoneer]

Well, I see you live in the UK from your profile !!!

Perhaps if you provided a more definitive location, others could recommend a suitable garage in your area

 

[Jaws]

Yeah I thought the same too, I forgot to mention I took it to auto electricians to test the battery and it's in perfect condition.

When you first start it, do you turn the key on and wait for 30 seconds or so ?

 

[JJ20]

When you first start it, do you turn the key on and wait for 30 seconds or so ?

No I've just been waiting the few seconds for the lights to go out before starting??

 

[Vipar]

And dip the clutch on any diesel

 

[jockaneezer]

If you have a multi meter and can get at the heater plugs, take an Ohms reading from where the wire attaches to the top of the heater plugs and to an earth and see if they're all the same value ? You don't want the ignition on when you do it.

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[tofo]

No I've just been waiting the few seconds for the lights to go out before starting??

try ign turn on let light go out
then turn ign off

then turn on and allow light to go out
then start


may help start but not a permanent cure
probably end up requiring glow plugs

 

[Jaws]

No I've just been waiting the few seconds for the lights to go out before starting??

Chances are you are not giving the heater plugs time to do anything
Waiting 30 seconds may well be all you need to do

 

[mitzimad]

If you have a multi meter and can get at the heater plugs, take an Ohms reading from where the wire attaches to the top of the heater plugs and to an earth and see if they're all the same value ? You don't want the ignition on when you do it.

unless they all read 0 you dont really need a meter a simple test light or buzzer will tel you in there ok should light of buzz if they are good

 

[HandyAndy]

sounds like glow plugs to me too.

A couple of ways to test them

disconnect the wavy metal bar or fat cables that are bolted to the top of the glow plug.
Then resistance test each plug
Ohm meter setting on multimeter
one probe on the top nut/ thread, one probe on the body of the glow plug itself (below the nut)
repeat for each glow plug
they should all have similar readings around 2 ohms ballpark but generally if you have a reading that isn't either a dead short (0.0) or wide open (floating numbers that make no sense) then it's pretty safe to say it's good.

Second way is a lot easier as you don't have to remove any oily bits but requires you to own a amp clamp meter.
Find the fat cable (or cables) that connect to that wavy bar or the top of each glow plug and put the clamp meter round ALL of the wires if four cables or round the fat cable if it's just one wire.
Get someone to switch the ign on (not start) and note down the amp draw.
Four decent plugs should give you about 50 amps after an initial high spike of anything up to 100 amps
Anything less than that and you probably have a duff plug.
12 amps per plug roughly.
Also note that they should stay on for a while even after the glow lamp has stopped illuminating, 10 or so seconds depending on temperature.
Hope that helps

 

[Neil Bedwin]

Wouldn't faulty glow plugs light the Check Engine Light? It does on my Nissan Pathfinder.....must fix it one day.

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[Landy Andy]

I wouldn’t expect glow plugs to have failed on such a new vehicle. So test their resistance if you wish, but check that they are also getting voltage. I would think it more likely, if glow plug related, to be a failed relay, or other system control.