Here you go! One for the Anoraks.
Travelling between the E.U. and the UK after the transitional period.
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Emmit
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I've not fought my way through the whole of the Doc. yet but one particular section caught my eye.
Section 2.3 states that if, one wanted to fly to, lets say, Australia via Frankfurt or Amsterdam (and Emirates
do offer that service, I believe,) one would now require an Airport Transit Visa.
Back in time there was a definite bonus in flying out to a European hub before flying around to the other side of
the World.
I wouldn't know how/who to apply to now.
Section 2.3 states that if, one wanted to fly to, lets say, Australia via Frankfurt or Amsterdam (and Emirates
do offer that service, I believe,) one would now require an Airport Transit Visa.
Back in time there was a definite bonus in flying out to a European hub before flying around to the other side of
the World.
I wouldn't know how/who to apply to now.
OP
OP
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I asked the E.U. what would happen to me as an Irish Passport holder (and therefore an E.U. Citizen) when I crossed E.U. Borders with my M'Home having a UK registration plate, how would I be treated at border crossings and asked them to confirm the 90/180 rule would not apply.
(Whilst at Jasmin Camping over the weekend, Jim answered one question by stating I would only be checked on entering and departing the E.U. and no one would be checked when crossing borders within the E.U. because of freedom of movement. (This makes sense!)).
The email I got from the E.U. told me I would have to apply for residence if I stayed in the E.U. longer than 3 months. There reply is below and I think its from someone who like me does not fully understand how the new rules work. Also, how do you turn up at Dover Ferry after the 17 May and provide a Lateral Flow test result, as required by Grant Shapps, prior to departure ? If your not a resident in Kent your not eligible for a free test ??? I've sked my local test center how they will provide test results that would be acceptable at Dover ferry and still waiting for a reply. It's not been thought through I think. Anyway, response from E.U.
Dear Mr. Philip Tew,
Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.
As Irish citizens, you may travel freely within the EU. Please note that if you wish to stay in another Member State for longer periods of time, you may have to report your presence and, after 3 months, register you residence.
You can find further information here: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/index_en.htm
When driving, it is a good habit to have with you your car registration certificate, the certificate of ownership and a proof of your normal residence (generally an ID card or document showing that you are registered as a resident in another EU country).
The following document also might be useful for you: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/info_site/travelling_en_3.pdf
We hope you find this information useful. Please contact us again if you have other questions about the European Union, its activities or institutions.
Emmit
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In reality, your motorhome, (whether or not it had a UK Registration) should be treated as the same
as you carrying suitcase bought in the UK. (ie they both carry your goods)
The fact that it is a motor vehicle should be of no consequence.
It's your Passport being Irish that gives you the right to be treated as a EU Citizen.
as you carrying suitcase bought in the UK. (ie they both carry your goods)
The fact that it is a motor vehicle should be of no consequence.
It's your Passport being Irish that gives you the right to be treated as a EU Citizen.
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If you've read all that parts of it link to this one.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52020XC0520(05)
It states
"Please note that if you wish to stay in another Member State for longer periods of time, you may have to report your presence and, after 3 months, register you residence."
The important part is "another member state" It means one country not the whole EU.
This has always been the rule
As an EU citizen you have the right to "Onward Movement "for up to 90 days in another EU state for the purposes of looking for work ,schooling, all sorts of other associated tat , including 'looking at possibilities to retire'. This is what you use to stay for 89 days pop next door for 1 day return for another 89 or go somewhere else. Nothing to do with being a tourist.
For TOURISM it is 90 days in a rolling 180 for UK & EU citizens.
For "onward movement" UK citizens have lost the right to the above
For EU citizens they still have the right to "onward movement"
For Uk permanent residents of another EU state they have also lost the right to " ONward movement"
So with your Irish passport you still have the right to stay as long as you want as long as you comply with the 89 days move next door ,& then return next day, or stay next door for another 89 days. Just don't say "tourist."
**The problem that I can see is the French/spanish /Germans ability to comprehend that an EU irish citizen can be legally driving a UK registered vehicle .**
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52020XC0520(05)
No it doesn't.You are misreading it.
It states
"Please note that if you wish to stay in another Member State for longer periods of time, you may have to report your presence and, after 3 months, register you residence."
The important part is "another member state" It means one country not the whole EU.
This has always been the rule
90 consecutive days in a rolling 180 is & always was the rule for tourism In the WHOLE OF THE EU even for EU citizens, & still is now. What WAS used had nothing to do with tourism & was the link I posted for acropolis22 in another thread .
As an EU citizen you have the right to "Onward Movement "for up to 90 days in another EU state for the purposes of looking for work ,schooling, all sorts of other associated tat , including 'looking at possibilities to retire'. This is what you use to stay for 89 days pop next door for 1 day return for another 89 or go somewhere else. Nothing to do with being a tourist.
That is correct for any EU citizen.
For TOURISM it is 90 days in a rolling 180 for UK & EU citizens.
For "onward movement" UK citizens have lost the right to the above
For EU citizens they still have the right to "onward movement"
For Uk permanent residents of another EU state they have also lost the right to " ONward movement"
So with your Irish passport you still have the right to stay as long as you want as long as you comply with the 89 days move next door ,& then return next day, or stay next door for another 89 days. Just don't say "tourist."
**The problem that I can see is the French/spanish /Germans ability to comprehend that an EU irish citizen can be legally driving a UK registered vehicle .**
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spitfire
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It also says carry a document showing ‘ownership and a proof of your normal residence (generally an ID card or document showing that you are registered as a resident in another EU country).
Am guessing you would show residence in the U.K. which is no longer an EU country . Not sure how that works ?
Am guessing you would show residence in the U.K. which is no longer an EU country . Not sure how that works ?
Yup. It's all very muddled. Why do you need to show proof of normal residence if you are an EU citizen? Is that to justify the british registration of the vehicle. Since when do we need to do that? Any EU citizen could have his normal residence in the UK. I don't think that changes his rights of movement in the EU?
Sapper520
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I was under the impression that the Government Free tests didn’t count when it came to travel. I thought you had to do one of the paid tests and get results via whatever company you used?
Am I wrong? Very important as we want to travel to The Netherlands when allowed to do so.
And the freedom of movement between the uk
and Ireland 
that’s been going long before the eu became the mess it is.
OP
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Grant Shapps said....LFT or PCR test for departure and PCR test upon return. I'll see if I can find the details and post on here
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Blue Knight
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That's a very good point.
If a chap with 2 x passports (Brit and Irish) were to find himself needing assistance abroad then his permanent residency status would be the thing that usually dictates which diplomatic mission would ultimately deal with his case.
i.e. There would be no point in the Irish Embassy assisting with his repatriation if he was a permanent English resident so in this instance the Irish would simply pass the ball over to the Brits to resolve.
The only normal exception to this procedure is where the 'entitled person' would be processed by a different embassy because his own country of residence does not have a diplomatic mission in the host country where the incident has occurred.
If I was an English permanent resident with a Brit PP and a freebie Irish PP then I certainly wouldn't be swanning around Europe thinking that my Irish PP made me invincible to the rules.
Just my take!
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OP
Its changed somewhat ? Now appears to be doubt as the Government cant agree on there use.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Free lateral flow tests may not be approved for departing green list holidaymakers
Sources indicate the free kits may not now be allowed because of the failure to reach 'cross-Government agreement' on the scheme
www.telegraph.co.uk
I wish people would stop posting links to articles behind paywalls. Us poor people can't afford to subscribe.........
Sapper520
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Its changed somewhat ? Now appears to be doubt as the Government cant agree on there use.
Free lateral flow tests may not be approved for departing green list holidaymakers
Sources indicate the free kits may not now be allowed because of the failure to reach 'cross-Government agreement' on the scheme
I’m trying my best to keep an eye on what’s needed, but it changes from day to day almost.
Requirements in The Netherlands are as confusing and that’s coming from someone who lives there!
OP
OP
The ones I post are free to view on my laptop without subscription and so I and not aware they are behind a paywall. It is what it is.
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OP
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Yes agreed whilst we're struggling to understand what the requirements are for leaving and entering the UK we also need to get our heads around what the requirements are for countries we're travelling to, or through. I'm planning to visit Spain in July Nd hopefully there will be more clarity by then.I’m trying my best to keep an eye on what’s needed, but it changes from day to day almost.
Requirements in The Netherlands are as confusing and that’s coming from someone who lives there!
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Get this sorted then we'll be into 2022 and the ETIAS visa exemption the application for which asks for nearly all the info you have been discussing. Stop the world, let me get off! (At least it will only cost €7).
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