Swarm prevention and touring

Lizbiebrowne

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What precautions do other motorhoming apiarists take when out and about on trips during the swarming season? In my first serious season as a funster last year I limited my trips away to a maximum of a week between May and July, but I’d like to be away for longer this year so I’m contemplating clipping all my queens’ wings this spring. Or has anyone developed other strategies?
 
Ah.. thot it was goin tae be aboot touring Scotland and Midgies.🤣🤣🤣
Same here! :giggle:

Although it did occur to me that she might also be on about preventing other MH's swarming around her (ie parking) when she finds a nice quiet spot. :LOL:
 
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What precautions do other motorhoming apiarists take when out and about on trips during the swarming season? In my first serious season as a funster last year I limited my trips away to a maximum of a week between May and July, but I’d like to be away for longer this year so I’m contemplating clipping all my queens’ wings this spring. Or has anyone developed other strategies?
Is that even possible……??:unsure:

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Is that even possible……??:unsure:
AFAIK each hive will have a single queen and they are larger than the normal bees so shouldn't prove too difficult/onerous.
 
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Only if you can catch the b*ggers first! ;)
 
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Only if you can catch the b*ggers first! ;)
They're quite easy to pick up between your thumb and forefinger. They don't sting and you just clip off a small part of the end of one wing. That way when they leave the hive with a swarm they fly around in circles. The swarming bees give up and return to the hive.

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I know virtually nothing about bees (apart from the honey) but, could you ask a fellow apiarist to keep an eye on your hives while you are away?
 
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Lizbiebrowne …….a question:-
Do bees have knees, and how did the expression, ‘the bees knees’ come about…..?:unsure:;)
 
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I know virtually nothing about bees (apart from the honey) but, could you ask a fellow apiarist to keep an eye on your hives while you are away?
Yes, you could but it's quite a big ask. I've got eight hives and to spot the signs of swarming it's necessary to go through each hive in some detail at least once a week. And, then, if those signs are present it's a reasonably big job to sort out so they don't swarm.
 
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I wish the beekeepers at our allotments would clip the queens wings at or before the swarming period, its a bloody nuisance when they do swarm, everyone gives up working on their plots and has to go home.:mad:
One year we called up one of the beekeepers (supposed to be an expert) when his bees were swarming everywhere, when he eventually appeared and saw the massive swarm, he just stood back and said......Ah! isn't nature a wonderful thing!:swear:
I thought it was because another queen bee had been born, and only one is allowed to live in the hive, its a fight to the death to see which one stays. They sometimes swarm and the queen attaches itself to something like a tree branch, and thousands of other worker bees follow it and surround it in a great big living clump.
I need to read up more on this, as I want to try and get the beekeepers to do something to stop the swarming, especially for those who claim to be allergic to bee stings.
LES
 
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I wish the beekeepers at our allotments would clip the queens wings at or before the swarming period, its a bloody nuisance when they do swarm, everyone gives up working on their plots and has to go home.:mad:
One year we called up one of the beekeepers (supposed to be an expert) when his bees were swarming everywhere, when he eventually appeared and saw the massive swarm, he just stood back and said......Ah! isn't nature a wonderful thing!:swear:
I thought it was because another queen bee had been born, and only one is allowed to live in the hive, its a fight to the death to see which one stays. They sometimes swarm and the queen attaches itself to something like a tree branch, and thousands of other worker bees follow it and surround it in a great big living clump.
I need to read up more on this, as I want to try and get the beekeepers to do something to stop the swarming, especially for those who claim to be allergic to bee stings.
LES
If you were to read up on it then when they are swarming they are at their least likely to cause you any concern and once settled in a tree or similar even lesser concern than the less concern

To the OP, I had 9 hives but then wife gave up work and holiday season for us came down to going away for 3 to 4 weeks in May and September which the OP will realise aint a good time to be away.
If I were in that quandary again, chatting up a fellow beekeeper, clipping or taking a risk on the swarming would be the options available. There should be a 2 week (?) period before noticeable Qcs and laying if I remember rightly.
One other option is setting a lure and new hive so if they do swarm you may catch them.

Best of luck

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I wish the beekeepers at our allotments would clip the queens wings at or before the swarming period, its a bloody nuisance when they do swarm, everyone gives up working on their plots and has to go home.:mad:
One year we called up one of the beekeepers (supposed to be an expert) when his bees were swarming everywhere, when he eventually appeared and saw the massive swarm, he just stood back and said......Ah! isn't nature a wonderful thing!:swear:
I thought it was because another queen bee had been born, and only one is allowed to live in the hive, its a fight to the death to see which one stays. They sometimes swarm and the queen attaches itself to something like a tree branch, and thousands of other worker bees follow it and surround it in a great big living clump.
I need to read up more on this, as I want to try and get the beekeepers to do something to stop the swarming, especially for those who claim to be allergic to bee stings.
LES
Well, you can take precautions to reduce the likelihood of swarming but swarming is the way bees reproduce so that's a strong urge that will always be likely to surface in the end. The trick is to try and manipulate the hive so that the bees think they've swarmed - that takes practice, skill and time. No-one gets it right every time.
 
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Well, you can take precautions to reduce the likelihood of swarming but swarming is the way bees reproduce so that's a strong urge that will always be likely to surface in the end. The trick is to try and manipulate the hive so that the bees think they've swarmed - that takes practice, skill and time. No-one gets it right every time.
I ought to add, I have never clipped nor have I ever sugar fed bees (unless it was a late swarm and i imported pollen infested icing sugar for that purpose)

The reason for this (and we all have different reasons) is I just want to give the bees a home and nick a little honey off them. Nothing more than that. They need to reproduce and I think if they eat honey its a better diet than icing sugar or similar.

DBK is a resident on here and beekeeper, there are a few of us
 
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I ought to add, I have never clipped nor have I ever sugar fed bees (unless it was a late swarm and i imported pollen infested icing sugar for that purpose)

The reason for this (and we all have different reasons) is I just want to give the bees a home and nick a little honey off them. Nothing more than that. They need to reproduce and I think if they eat honey its a better diet than icing sugar or similar.

DBK is a resident on here and beekeeper, there are a few of us
Yes, I confess, I'm a little uncomfortable about clipping the queens' wings. But I keep bees in my garden and I do not want to upset my neighbours, possibly frightening them, by having them swarm when I'm not available to try and collect the swarm.

f I were in that quandary again, chatting up a fellow beekeeper, clipping or taking a risk on the swarming would be the options available. There should be a 2 week (?) period before noticeable Qcs and laying if I remember rightly.
One other option is setting a lure and new hive so if they do swarm you may catch them.
Yes, I've had a bait hive around for a couple of years. No interest has been taken in it yet but I think it's a reasonable precaution to take.
 
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to upset my neighbours, possibly frightening them,
Unfortunately mine did upset some neighbours.
They swarmed to his tree but about 30 foot high so no chance of collection. Swarmed again and I ran off down the street after them !
The next year he came round to ask what I was going to do about my bees drinking from his fountain !!! He got the reply that Bears defecate in woods and when that problem is solved I ll think about having a chat with the bees. He hasnt been round since
 
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Couldn’t you get together with other bee keeper motorhomer/s and tour to each other’s hives? Just a thought.

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Couldn’t you get together with other bee keeper motorhomer/s and tour to each other’s hives? Just a thought.
There are local Beekeeping associations which are probably a better source of helping each other out.
The problem is May or towards the end of May is incredibly busy for beekeepers as that is swarm season (watch out for the really hot spell at the end of May usually) and you will hear them before you see them, it is akin to a formula 1 starting grid noise
Then September (or late August) is the fun stuff and there is no way you let anyone take your yield off for you !!!
 
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Couldn’t you get together with other bee keeper motorhomer/s and tour to each other’s hives? Just a thought.
That is an interesting idea - a kind of hive swap. I can see a problem though, my other half's not terribly fond of them!
 
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Many of us take our pets, dogs, cats, parrots, away in our vans, just a thought! :smiley:
You may jest.
Theoretically possible
Wife makes it impossible.

Could you imagine picking out half a dozen hives in the morning at your aire and putting them to bed at night ?
But the thought of smuggling through a few extra kilos of cocaine within the hives may have crossed my mind !!
 
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They're quite easy to pick up between your thumb and forefinger. They don't sting and you just clip off a small part of the end of one wing. That way when they leave the hive with a swarm they fly around in circles. The swarming bees give up and return to the hive.
Reminds me of clipping chicken wings, only do one otherwise they just flap harder and can still make it over the fence.

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My other half TinaL is the Site Rep at our allotments, we have many beekeepers across the many allotment sites here in Surrey Heath.
It has become a requisite to show proof by way of a certificate that anyone wishing to keep bees has the correct knowledge of how to keep bees before allowing them to bring hives to the allotments. They also have to erect small fences around their hives and place safety notices giving out contact details of where the can be contacted.
We have learnt several lessons about allowing beekeepers to take up valuable plots on the allotments, as they are primary there for people to grow crops,& cultivate regularly, however we have had instances where some were only interested in keeping their hives and not maintaining their plots, allowing them to become overgrown & weed infested .i.e A bloody eyesore & nuisance to the neighbouring plots.

Having had one (expert) Beekeeper vacate his plot due to moving overseas, we had the mammoth task of clearing the plot to make it ready to be handed over to a new tenant. We discovered that his plot was not only covered in weeds but also Rhubarb & Globe Artichoke plants, as apparently the bees love these plants, it took us volunteers ages to clear, only bonus was there were plenty of Rhubarb plants to be shared out afterwards.
All we can do is ask beekeepers to be mindful of their bees swarming, and try and manage it better, we appreciate is a natural occurrence, but we are sick & tired now of all the complaints we receive from other plot holders each time it happens, its almost like TinaL is being accused of not managing the beekeepers strongly enough, in other words not doing her job properly.

There are children at times on the plots, they should be fully supervised at all times, but we all know what kids are like, we are just hoping that they stay away from the hives, and not throw sticks at them!:eek:

I think that after many years of managing the site, TinaL is on top of things, but you cannot please everyone all the time, and when someone gets stung, you never hear the end of it, and the list of their allergies etc.

I know beekeeping is a rewarding hobby, and Bees are great pollinators etc lucrative also at £7.50 a jar, but its a pain in the posterior to everyone else that not interested, especially after a swarm episode.
What are we supposed to do, carry an Epi Pen round our necks, we have already been asked when we are going to have defibrillators on every allotment site, everyone know we have a first aid kit in our shed, its not unusual for us to have run out of plasters & anti histamine cream for nettle stings & insect bites.
Boots The Chemist springs to mind!

Sorry just had to give the full picture from all sides.

LES on behalf of TinaL Allotment Site Rep.
 
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Many of us take our pets, dogs, cats, parrots, away in our vans, just a thought! :smiley:
I did once see a camper van in Tobermory with chickens in the back and we take our dog with us.

I move some bees to the North York moors every summer in the car. That’s enough of a palaver for me. Taking bees on holiday in the van - wow, that would be an adventure.
My other half TinaL is the Site Rep at our allotments, we have many beekeepers across the many allotment sites here in Surrey Heath.
It has become a requisite to show proof by way of a certificate that anyone wishing to keep bees has the correct knowledge of how to keep bees before allowing them to bring hives to the allotments. They also have to erect small fences around their hives and place safety notices giving out contact details of where the can be contacted.
We have learnt several lessons about allowing beekeepers to take up valuable plots on the allotments, as they are primary there for people to grow crops,& cultivate regularly, however we have had instances where some were only interested in keeping their hives and not maintaining their plots, allowing them to become overgrown & weed infested .i.e A bloody eyesore & nuisance to the neighbouring plots.

Having had one (expert) Beekeeper vacate his plot due to moving overseas, we had the mammoth task of clearing the plot to make it ready to be handed over to a new tenant. We discovered that his plot was not only covered in weeds but also Rhubarb & Globe Artichoke plants, as apparently the bees love these plants, it took us volunteers ages to clear, only bonus was there were plenty of Rhubarb plants to be shared out afterwards.
All we can do is ask beekeepers to be mindful of their bees swarming, and try and manage it better, we appreciate is a natural occurrence, but we are sick & tired now of all the complaints we receive from other plot holders each time it happens, its almost like TinaL is being accused of not managing the beekeepers strongly enough, in other words not doing her job properly.

There are children at times on the plots, they should be fully supervised at all times, but we all know what kids are like, we are just hoping that they stay away from the hives, and not throw sticks at them!:eek:

I think that after many years of managing the site, TinaL is on top of things, but you cannot please everyone all the time, and when someone gets stung, you never hear the end of it, and the list of their allergies etc.

I know beekeeping is a rewarding hobby, and Bees are great pollinators etc lucrative also at £7.50 a jar, but its a pain in the posterior to everyone else that not interested, especially after a swarm episode.
What are we supposed to do, carry an Epi Pen round our necks, we have already been asked when we are going to have defibrillators on every allotment site, everyone know we have a first aid kit in our shed, its not unusual for us to have run out of plasters & anti histamine cream for nettle stings & insect bites.
Boots The Chemist springs to mind!

Sorry just had to give the full picture from all sides.

LES on behalf of TinaL Allotment Site Rep.
I wasn’t trying to put any side of a picture. I am trying to be a responsible beekeeper and solicit ideas from others on how they marry their hobbies of beekeeping and motorhoming.
 
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Most people take their pets on holiday with them …….😇🤣

This clipping and then flying around in circles, sounds quite mean 😢🤷🏼‍♂️

Why keep bees 🐝 and then get a motorhome if it’s an issue, it’s a little alien to me that you actually cut a part of the queens wing off. Maybe it’s just me, but man can be quite cruel to nature for our own gains.

🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
 
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I did once see a camper van in Tobermory with chickens in the back and we take our dog with us.

I move some bees to the North York moors every summer in the car. That’s enough of a palaver for me. Taking bees on holiday in the van - wow, that would be an adventure.

I wasn’t trying to put any side of a picture. I am trying to be a responsible beekeeper and solicit ideas from others on how they marry their hobbies of beekeeping and motorhoming.
My dad used to send hives to Yorkshire in the 80's and 90's through his local club his always used to come back lighter!!
 
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Most people take their pets on holiday with them …….😇🤣

This clipping and then flying around in circles, sounds quite mean 😢🤷🏼‍♂️

Why keep bees 🐝 and then get a motorhome if it’s an issue, it’s a little alien to me that you actually cut a part of the queens wing off. Maybe it’s just me, but man can be quite cruel to nature for our own gains.

🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
Well, there's lots of issues with using a motorhome and other aspects of your life. That doesn't mean they can't be managed with a little thought and compromise.

The wing clipping is an interesting topic but whether you consider that bees are pets (probably not) or an agricultural endeavour (bit of a stretch for a hobby apiary), man has always in both cases made changes to animals to make them easier/more profitable to keep. I'm thinking here of neutering cats and dogs and removing feathers from chicken wing to prevent them flying away.

I do appreciate that some people disagree with this and I know that vegans will not consume honey from managed bee colonies as they consider the bees in hives have been exploited. It's a point of view, but it's not mine.
 
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