Safefill no longer allowed to be refilled at Morrisons

[CazPaul]

Just filled at Morrisons Cardiff.

A new sign has appeared by the pump;

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I think that I fail on two counts;

Two GasIT cylinders in the locker.

I have to fit an adapter between the van and pump.

The attendent was not interested.

I have been filling up there for years.

Would that include an underslung tank with external filler and no adapter?

 

[1967bowesj]

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Would that include an underslung tank with external filler and no adapter?

Depends what you identify as a cylinder, unless the underslung is square lol.

Looks like they have basically said no refillable only vehicles but even then they are cylinders.

 

[The Old Man]

Would that include an underslung tank with external filler and no adapter?

I would think not as it would be similar to an ordinary LPG powered car?

Mind I have seen an LPG car with what appeared to be a regular filler cap but the guy had to screw in an adapter similar to mine.

Part of the issue at Morrisons is that the pump guy has no real idea or training on every possible combination so it boils down that it's easier to say NO.

Certainly having spoke with most of the Morrisons attendants is that, "You've been filling your van for years and know what to do, Certainly better than is!"

 

[CazPaul]

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Depends what you identify as a cylinder, unless the underslung is square lol.

Looks like they have basically said no refillable only vehicles but even then they are cylinders.

I know it’s confusing exactly what is meant, I can see the next sign saying “ No motorhomes are allowed to fill up with lpg”

 

[Lpgc]

Not a chance ... this has already been well discussed on here and disapproved of due to H&S (not just on the forum) so not a practice that I, or many others, would recommend. I like funsters and would prefer them to stay alive and not risk get turned very crispy!

It has been well discussed on here, yes.

But to say it has been disapproved is incorrect. Far more people have bought and are using the pump than the small number of people on this thread who imply they disapprove of it.

Those who have the pump are no longer concerned about not being allowed to refill with gas at forecourts... Those people already have a solution to the problem/title of this thread 'Safefill no longer allowed to be refilled at Morrisons'.

It would be safe to bet people who bought the pump like to enjoy their motorhome and living too. The number of accidents / incidents using these pumps is zero.

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[Graydo]

I fill at Abington services if your heading south on the 74 could be a option.
Local for me so i use there.
Can't think of any other non Morrisons in Lanarkshire.

Yeah,
they're a bit thin on the ground if not a Morrisons.

Thanks

Graydo

 

[bigtwin]

I would think not as it would be similar to an ordinary LPG powered car?

The notice would rather suggest that, since they will have “LPG Cylinder Installations on Vehicles”, they too are disallowed.

Crazy, I know.

Unless their LPG ‘tanks’ are not cylindrical in shape, which we all know is the best shape for pressure vessels.

Consequently, it’s unlikely that they will have a reasonable excuse to argue that the notice doesn’t apply to them.

Crazy, I know!

Ian

 

[Graydo]

Filled up at Morrisons Hyde a good few times now over the last year,The last van and this one both have external filler points last van was in the locker itself never been refused or even asked although the position of the pump is a right pain as it’s the furthest away and next to a wall 0.99p litre
Filled the new bigger bottle up at Cheshire gas depot in Ashton this week 0.85p they never refused neither and you literally park up next to the gas tank there

The problem is Morrisons have introduced new rules.
I have been happily filling up there for the last six years until a few days ago where it would seem the powers that be are not happy I have to open a locker to fill my tank.
If I move my filler point to the outside of my locker door what difference will it make?, I'm still filling the same cylinder?

Would like to be 100% certain that I won't be refused before I go through the inconvenience and expense of moving my filler point one inch!

Honestly bloody jobsworths.

Graydo

 

[BikerGraham]

The problem is Morrisons have introduced new rules.
I have been happily filling up there for the last six years until a few days ago where it would seem the powers that be are not happy I have to open a locker to fill my tank.
If I move my filler point to the outside of my locker door what difference will it make?, I'm still filling the same cylinder?

Would like to be 100% certain that I won't be refused before I go through the inconvenience and expense of moving my filler point one inch!

Honestly bloody jobsworths.

Graydo

I will be visiting my local Morrisons in the next week or so to hopefully refill my gaslow cylinders. The filler is in the gas locker and has never been an issue st this particular Morrisons.
However, if they refuse then I will most likely have it reconfigured, moving the refill point to outside the locker.
See what happens but it is frustrating.

 

[Minxy]

If I move my filler point to the outside of my locker door what difference will it make?, I'm still filling the same cylinder?

You have a genuine refillable cylinder and fill point but the issue with 'in locker' filling is that they can't tell if they are genuine refillable ones or some cobbled together/Ebay kit for filling non-user refillable ones such as Calor, Flogas etc.

By moving the filler to the outside you would be minimising the risk of being refused but there is always going to be a risk of some places saying no, even with an external filler we were refused in Spain a good few years ago (BP I think!).

Looking at the image that The Old Man has posted and the banning of using adaptors they don't understand the difference between a genuine UK bayonet extension and a 'naughty' Ebay one! As I have the small square filler externally on my MH so have to use the extension so it will be interesting to see what happens when we need to fill up again, albeit that won't be for a long time seeing as ours a full already!

If your gas locker is as shown in this photo then moving the filler will be easy peasy anyway.

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[mondo]

Just by way of info...for Lpg..in Halifax/Huddersfield area
Ace Energy..
Blackbrook Way
HX4 8ED...

Opening times..
Mon -Fri 0700-1800
Sat 0800-1700
Sun 10.00-1500

 

[dunnah01]

The notice would rather suggest that, since they will have “LPG Cylinder Installations on Vehicles”, they too are disallowed.

Crazy, I know.

Unless their LPG ‘tanks’ are not cylindrical in shape, which we all know is the best shape for pressure vessels.

Consequently, it’s unlikely that they will have a reasonable excuse to argue that the notice doesn’t apply to them.

Crazy, I know!

Ian

My Jag X- Type had a toroidal tank to fit in the spare wheel well - this would cause a meltdown

 

[Ian_H]

You have a genuine refillable cylinder and fill point but the issue with 'in locker' filling is that they can't tell if they are genuine refillable ones or some cobbled together/Ebay kit for filling non-user refillable ones such as Calor, Flogas etc.

By moving the filler to the outside you would be minimising the risk of being refused but there is always going to be a risk of some places saying no, even with an external filler we were refused in Spain a good few years ago (BP I think!).

Looking at the image that The Old Man has posted and the banning of using adaptors they don't understand the difference between a genuine UK bayonet extension and a 'naughty' Ebay one! As I have the small square filler externally on my MH so have to use the extension so it will be interesting to see what happens when we need to fill up again, albeit that won't be for a long time seeing as ours a full already!

If your gas locker is as shown in this photo then moving the filler will be easy peasy anyway.

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I think the suggestion that external fill points mean you will be able to continue filling at Morrisons is misguided. You know that their rules say that refilling locker installations is prohibited. Maybe for a while you will get away with using external filling points. But if some workers are not allowing filling and some are, I expect they will ask for clarification. The answer will be that there are virtually no motorhome engines running on gas, so for simplicity/clarity just stop any motorhome using the gas pump, because it is almost 100% certain they are flouting the rules.

 

[Minxy]

I think the suggestion that external fill points mean you will be able to continue filling at Morrisons is misguided. You know that their rules say that refilling locker installations is prohibited. Maybe for a while you will get away with using external filling points. But if some workers are not allowing filling and some are, I expect they will ask for clarification. The answer will be that there are virtually no motorhome engines running on gas, so for simplicity/clarity just stop any motorhome using the gas pump, because it is almost 100% certain they are flouting the rules.

Not misguided at all, there have always been 'rules' that cylinder filling shouldn't be allowed at many garages, not just Morrisons ones, but most places don't worry about it so long as you appear to know what you are doing. It's only because some have caused major issues that it is being revised further. If they wanted to ban all vehicles from filling with LPG for domestic use then I'm sure they would've produced a poster saying 'propulsion only'. Even then the difficulty would be that some MHs do run on LPG - eg American RVs that have been converted to run on petrol and LPG - so refusing them would be difficult unless they checked every one as obviously RVs which are diesel aren't using it for propulsion but may try to 'sneak' in and get it for domestic use.

I'll continue to use my external fill point to put LPG into my genuine refillable cylinders and report back if I have difficulties which I don't anticipate at all, however as we have 2 x 11kg cylinders once one is empty and we've swapped to the other we always look to fill up anyway so as not to get stranded without any gas.

 

[Minxy]

My Jag X- Type had a toroidal tank to fit in the spare wheel well - this would cause a meltdown

Posh b*gger ... couldn't you just say doughnut shaped so funsters can understand what you're talking about!

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[Graydo]

You have a genuine refillable cylinder and fill point but the issue with 'in locker' filling is that they can't tell if they are genuine refillable ones or some cobbled together/Ebay kit for filling non-user refillable ones such as Calor, Flogas etc.

By moving the filler to the outside you would be minimising the risk of being refused but there is always going to be a risk of some places saying no, even with an external filler we were refused in Spain a good few years ago (BP I think!).

Looking at the image that The Old Man has posted and the banning of using adaptors they don't understand the difference between a genuine UK bayonet extension and a 'naughty' Ebay one! As I have the small square filler externally on my MH so have to use the extension so it will be interesting to see what happens when we need to fill up again, albeit that won't be for a long time seeing as ours a full already!

If your gas locker is as shown in this photo then moving the filler will be easy peasy anyway.

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If that's your gas locker under the window then no.
mine is on the other side.

Still not convinced that en external filler will be accepted at all Morrisons, they dont seem to have a clue about motorhomes and will.probably just ban us all, external.or internal, eventually.

Graydo

 

[Basildog]

I think the suggestion that external fill points mean you will be able to continue filling at Morrisons is misguided. You know that their rules say that refilling locker installations is prohibited. Maybe for a while you will get away with using external filling points. But if some workers are not allowing filling and some are, I expect they will ask for clarification. The answer will be that there are virtually no motorhome engines running on gas, so for simplicity/clarity just stop any motorhome using the gas pump, because it is almost 100% certain they are flouting the rules.

That’s pretty much what they have told us and I tend to agree with you .
Hopefully they will respond soon but they big communicators

 

[Basildog]

You have a genuine refillable cylinder and fill point but the issue with 'in locker' filling is that they can't tell if they are genuine refillable ones or some cobbled together/Ebay kit for filling non-user refillable ones such as Calor, Flogas etc.

By moving the filler to the outside you would be minimising the risk of being refused but there is always going to be a risk of some places saying no, even with an external filler we were refused in Spain a good few years ago (BP I think!).

Looking at the image that The Old Man has posted and the banning of using adaptors they don't understand the difference between a genuine UK bayonet extension and a 'naughty' Ebay one! As I have the small square filler externally on my MH so have to use the extension so it will be interesting to see what happens when we need to fill up again, albeit that won't be for a long time seeing as ours a full already!

If your gas locker is as shown in this photo then moving the filler will be easy peasy anyway.

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It’s actually harder for them to tell with external filler points as now the lunatics are selling installing kits to just about any cylinder.
They actually really do mean NO bottles but I don’t think most staff understand the rules or what to check.
This whole situation makes my blood boil as it’s not EBay sellers it’s so called respectable firms selling anything to anyone, they have known for years what they are doing but it’s all about a quick profit.
Someone more tech savvy has searched that adaptor picture for me
It’s specifically sold to fill Calor cylinders by a company in the refillable LPG business, you couldn’t F******g make it up
Then suppliers are still happy to supply them as yet again it’s all about greed , pure and simple .
This has been known about for years and even with half a brain it’s obvious the damage it was going to cause.

 

[Newfie]

This might be helpful

 

[Graydo]

This might be helpful

Nice one,
I have some reasons to go to Kilmarnock.occasionally so that could be the answer.
I take it that safe fill uses the same attachments as gaslow/gasit to fill?

Graydo

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[Graydo]

Bugger,
Kilmarnock no.longer has lpg since 2024.

Aha! There seems to be two.
Will check.out the second one shortly


No there isn't,
my eyes are crossing!

Graydo

 

[dunnah01]

Posh b*gger ... couldn't you just say doughnut shaped so funsters can understand what you're talking about!

I wasn't sure how to spell it - donut it doughnut

 

[Neil S]

This might be helpful

here's another location that's recently had a forecourt upgrade including new LPG pump and allows Safefill .
Fuel and LPG available 24 hours
out of hours by automated payment

Shell
Wigtown Road Services
Wigtown road
Newton Stewart
DG8 6JZ

Filled up last weekend when we were passing

 

[barryd]

Get a filler on the side, stick on of these above it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/27136460...pid=5339023013&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1

 

[Minxy]

Someone more tech savvy has searched that adaptor picture for me
It’s specifically sold to fill Calor cylinders by a company in the refillable LPG business, you couldn’t F******g make it up

That's nuts! I thought it looked like the normal UK bayonet extension ... how stupid can a company be to encourage the refilling on non-user refillable cylinders!

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[pandas]

I think the suggestion that external fill points mean you will be able to continue filling at Morrisons is misguided. You know that their rules say that refilling locker installations is prohibited. Maybe for a while you will get away with using external filling points. But if some workers are not allowing filling and some are, I expect they will ask for clarification. The answer will be that there are virtually no motorhome engines runners on gas, so for simplicity/clarity just stop any motorhome using the gas pump, because it is almost 100% certain they are flouting the rules.

I am trying to think what other vehicles there are filling up with gas on the forecourt - gas cars? Can’t be many if those on the road.

 

[scotzsue]

Son filled up his old car at Calor near preston, filled his gas bottles at the same time.
.
We need to use an extension too Minxy fitter screwed the point in from inside leaving the end of the screws proud and preventing the pump locking on, would take quit a bit of dismantling inside to change them round.

 

[PauloT]

Personally, there still wont be a problem with Morrisons as long as your not making yourself seen. Tuesday filled up at my local Morrisons 2x 6kg calor and i underslung 15ltr. Just make sure your safe people, you know how to do and your installations are serviced and turned off. Just as you have to when you travel abroad.

 

[LithiumConvert]

Just make sure your safe people

Tell us where and when you are filling up and we will stay safe - well away.

 

[Pausim]

Personally, there still wont be a problem with Morrisons as long as your not making yourself seen. Tuesday filled up at my local Morrisons 2x 6kg calor and i underslung 15ltr. Just make sure your safe people, you know how to do and your installations are serviced and turned off. Just as you have to when you travel abroad.

Unbelievable!

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