Remapped

We had our 3L V6 5300 KG’s Hymer S830 done last year after taking advice from others that had already done it.
MPG best before was 14.6L/100km’s (19.35mpg)
After Map MPG is 13.4L/100km,(21,04mpg)
1.73mpg difference 8% extra mileage per gallon.
Results taken after a 3500 mile trip down to Gibraltar driving same as always done.
Map HP increase was 185 to 225HP
Torque increase was 400Nm to 500Nm
It was done at EcoPower Remaps at Doncaster.
Well done.
That is an excellent increase in economy. It will no doubt be much easier to drive as well.
One of the reasons why economy is improved is due to being able to change gear earlier and therefore have fewer revolutions of the engine due to the extra torque.
5300 kg and 21 to the gallon is superb I would think.
Safe driving Bambino.
 
If I remap, I understand that it'll have more torque, so I'll not have to downshift to 5th on relatively minor hills on the motorway. But will it still complain on the dash to shift, even if it's not necessary?
 
If someone could retune to use less ad blu id be interested.
My 20 plate Ducato powered Knaus is Euro 6 and doesn't require adblue at all, atandard achieved with EGR. I was very surprised but it's true.
 
My 20 plate Ducato powered Knaus is Euro 6 and doesn't require adblue at all, atandard achieved with EGR. I was very surprised but it's true.
How does that help someone that needs sadblue
 
How does that help someone that needs sadblue
It wasn't supposed to help him, just make him aware that there are options to reduce adblue usage without remapping. Basically informing people that are not aware of something that might be a factor when choosing a MH.

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If I remap, I understand that it'll have more torque, so I'll not have to downshift to 5th on relatively minor hills on the motorway. But will it still complain on the dash to shift, even if it's not necessary?
I am sorry, that I do not know. If you have a dashboard indicator like we had on our Ford. I would assume it would judge the available power/torque and work accordingly.
There is an increase in torque from the engine but it is not enormous. It does help day to day driving however. Mechantech reported a 25% torque increase which sounds about right.
People tend to get mixed up about speed and performance rather than drivability. Unless you are a boy racer it is the second aspect that is improved.
As standard we had 170bhp. We climbed a very long hill in Greece on the overland route back last year. It was the longest climb that I have ever driven up and from memory was more than ten miles long. On cruise control in 6th gear we passed literally dozens and dozens of camping cars that were in 3rd or fourth gear and really struggling.
All I can say, is that in my experience re-mapping is always a very sound investment.
I have genuinely never heard of anybody having problems.
Go for it. You will be happy. And if you are unhappy, I will just pretend that my wife wrote this.
 
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My 20 plate Ducato powered Knaus is Euro 6 and doesn't require adblue at all, atandard achieved with EGR. I was very surprised but it's true.
It may be 20 plate, but it must be a 2019 model year 'van. 2019 models were Euro 6B and do not require AdBlu whereas 2020 MY are Euro 6D Temp. and definitely do. I've had both. I understand current models are Euro 6D Final.
 
It may be 20 plate, but it must be a 2019 model year 'van. 2019 models were Euro 6B and do not require AdBlu whereas 2020 MY are Euro 6D Temp. and definitely do. I've had both. I understand current models are Euro 6D Final.
My 2020 registered van is pre-adblue. But I'm pretty sure it was either sat on a dealer forecourt for a while before it was sold. All the plastic parts are stamped 2017. Before COVID, it was common for convertors to have a stock of vans for several months before they were built up and sold. Basically, the date of registration doesn't tell you that year the chassis was built.
 
Basically, the date of registration doesn't tell you that year the chassis was built.
Indeed, we walked away from the first 'new' Carthago we were buying as it was nearly 2 years old, we'd been told it was less than a year. It was only by chance that we found out - when we were exploring the cupboards etc we found a delivery document with it's true production date on.

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It may be 20 plate, but it must be a 2019 model year 'van. 2019 models were Euro 6B and do not require AdBlu whereas 2020 MY are Euro 6D Temp. and definitely do. I've had both. I understand current models are Euro 6D Final.
Yes I believe it is a MY2019 so that explains why, thanks.
 
If I remap, I understand that it'll have more torque, so I'll not have to downshift to 5th on relatively minor hills on the motorway. But will it still complain on the dash to shift, even if it's not necessary?
Yes.
 
If I remap, I understand that it'll have more torque, so I'll not have to downshift to 5th on relatively minor hills on the motorway. But will it still complain on the dash to shift, even if it's not necessary?
I would think that the dash shift warnings can be deactivated in the gearbox module ecu

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The 2.3 Fiat engine is available in different horsepower same engine different ecu map
That is totally incorrect, there are many changes across the HP variations ranging from, external i.e. different turbo arrangement, to different engine components pistons, compression ratio etc.
We have every diesel vehicle that we buy remapped. Always improves drivability and if you stick to same driving speeds and pedal pressure as before there is always a small improvement in fuel consumption. There is a bigger improvement with cars rather tha large vans or motorhomes etc but with the price of fuel, even a single mile per gallon helps.
Ignore the people who worry about clutch failure etc. I have never heard of a genuine case of any type of failure after remapping. We had a SAAB which was way over-tuned. We drove it for a further 70.000 miles with zero problems and that was absolutely wild. Original clutch etc and zero problems.
Well done for getting it done. Please report in the future on your thoughts after getting used to it.
I can speak from experience having owned a "mapped" 2.8 engined Ducato (244) it used clutches at an unacceptable rate, yes it had improved performance and it also improved the rate the fuel tank was depleted, if cruising in top gear simply accelerating hard would cause even a brand new clutch to slip, and despite much research there are no up rated ones available and at the time (a few years ago now) there was plenty of posts on motorhome forums that confirmed my statement.
A lot of people think vehicle manufacturers are stupid I don't think they are.
My belief is a lot of people that spend money on re maps convince themselves the exaggerated claims made by those that do them are completely honest.
 
The 2.3 Fiat engine is available in different horsepower same engine different ecu map
As stated by @eurojohn there are a number of changes especially between 130 and 150,180 models including fixed to variable vane turbo bigger brakes better M40 gearbox (also on comformatic 130). So if you were to remap start with a 150 not a 130.
 
Had mine remapped 3 weeks ago and had the AdBlue mapped out so no longer need to worry about AdBlue and you can tell the difference in performance it’s on a 2019 Peugeot boxer in my opinion well worth it
I feel compelled to point out that there are consequences if AdBlue is disabled. The nitrous oxides emissions will be much higher. OK not everyone cares about the environment but some do. If anyone else is thinking of doing this I would ask them to consider whether the savings they make are worth the harm they might do to others. I am not telling anyone what they should do just asking them to consider the consequences.

Tin hat on, I sense some incoming.
 
The legislation is less than well thought out. The Dual EGR systems used by VAG and Fiat is a better way to control NOx but in the end forced to AdBlu as a political requirement Marine engines persevered with Twin EGR. As much as twin EGR Ducatos can have problems its a better method and given more time could have been further developed into a world beater rather than wasting development time on Ad blue systems that peugeot citroen at least are still struggling with.
 
The legislation is less than well thought out. The Dual EGR systems used by VAG and Fiat is a better way to control NOx but in the end forced to AdBlu as a political requirement Marine engines persevered with Twin EGR. As much as twin EGR Ducatos can have problems its a better method and given more time could have been further developed into a world beater rather than wasting development time on Ad blue systems that peugeot citroen at least are still struggling with.
I thought the problem was that in some driving situations the twin EGR was ineffective. The new testing procedures that came in from September 2019 forced manufacturers to use real driving conditions for testing and the only way to achieve the standard was by using AdBlue.

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I thought the problem was that in some driving situations the twin EGR was ineffective. The new testing procedures that came in from September 2019 forced manufacturers to use real driving conditions for testing and the only way to achieve the standard was by using AdBlue.
Hence the quote more development time. Unfortunately manufacturers were more interested in conning the system than complying and pherhaps wasted time at the beggining. Papers I read from 2007 showed the way. Between them the Governments and Manufacturers had their own agendas, the end user was not on their list of priorities. Why are we still driving diesels when the Jappanese stopped in 99 (about)? Politics my boy nothing to do with Ecology or the environment.
 
Hence the quote more development time. Unfortunately manufacturers were more interested in conning the system than complying and pherhaps wasted time at the beggining. Papers I read from 2007 showed the way. Between them the Governments and Manufacturers had their own agendas, the end user was not on their list of priorities. Why are we still driving diesels when the Jappanese stopped in 99 (about)? Politics my boy nothing to do with Ecology or the environment.
Why do you think that the Japanese no longer drive diesel engined vehicles ?
 
Why do you think that the Japanese no longer drive diesel engined vehicles ?
Diesel is still better for climate change. But worse for air pollution.

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I had our 2014 Autotrail Tracker. ( 3.5 ton)
Remapped and have just come back after 6,500 mile trip. Better power, less downshifting, better mpg (at least 4mpg) and altogether a smoother drive and I drove with the dash set to “instant mpg” readout as I always have.
Recommend anyone to do it, ask first if you can have it UNmapped just in case you are not happy, but I think you will.
Mitch
 
I thought the Japanese did not develop diesel engines because their market was USA which had cheap petrol
 
Adblue does do a thing for your vehicle its just to cut down sertain emissions
Your vehicle with or without adblu no detriment to your vehicle

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