Portugal closed borders with Spain tonight

[flatpackchicken]

Portugal closed borders with Spain from midnight tonight

 

[Zepp]

Just heard about the borders also they expecting to go into full lock aswell

 

[Silver-Fox]

I thought closing borders was against the rules

 

[denisejoe]

I thought closing borders was against the rules

It probably is but we were the only ones following them

 

[grumps147]

I thought closing borders was against the rules

Can be done ......

‘The Schengen Borders Code (SBC) provides Member States with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control at the internal borders in the event of a serious threat to public policy or internal security.

The reintroduction of border control at the internal borders must be applied as a last resort measure, in exceptional situations, and must respect the principle of proportionality.

The duration of such a temporary reintroduction of border control at the internal borders is limited in time, depending on the legal basis invoked by the Member State introducing such border control.’



The scope and duration of reintroduced border control should be restricted to the bare minimum needed to respond to the threat in question. Reintroducing border control at the internal border should only be used as a measure of last resort.

The reintroduction of border control is a prerogative of the Member States. The Commission may issue an opinion regarding the necessity of the measure and its proportionality but cannot veto a Member State’s decision to reintroduce border control.’

Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control

Learn which Schengen countries are currently reintroducing temporary border control in accordance with the Schengen Borders Code.

ec.europa.eu

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[cmcardle75]

I thought closing borders was against the rules

No. It never was for exceptional reasons. Even within Schengen, let alone outside it.

 

[Larrynwin]

Some Eastern European EU countries closed their borders in recent years to block migrants from Syria etc.

 

[gus-lopez]

I thought closing borders was against the rules

It is to stop the quarantine jumpers back to Uk from popping in to spain trying to get home & no it isn't illegal under certain conditions this being one of them.

 

[Silver-Fox]

It is to stop the quarantine jumpers back to Uk from popping in to spain trying to get home & no it isn't illegal under certain conditions this being one of them.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Can be done ......

‘The Schengen Borders Code (SBC) provides Member States with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control at the internal borders in the event of a serious threat to public policy or internal security.

The reintroduction of border control at the internal borders must be applied as a last resort measure, in exceptional situations, and must respect the principle of proportionality.

The duration of such a temporary reintroduction of border control at the internal borders is limited in time, depending on the legal basis invoked by the Member State introducing such border control.’



The scope and duration of reintroduced border control should be restricted to the bare minimum needed to respond to the threat in question. Reintroducing border control at the internal border should only be used as a measure of last resort.

The reintroduction of border control is a prerogative of the Member States. The Commission may issue an opinion regarding the necessity of the measure and its proportionality but cannot veto a Member State’s decision to reintroduce border control.’

Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control

Learn which Schengen countries are currently reintroducing temporary border control in accordance with the Schengen Borders Code.

ec.europa.eu

Maybe the EU will burst through the border like they burst into AZ production facilities

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[Sundowners]

Just heard about the borders also they expecting to go into full lock aswell

We are virtually totally locked down already---- only allowed out for essentials and total restrictions on entering other council areas from friday evening til monday mornings---' our motorhome has only been on 1 very short run since we bought it in october
Cafes and restaurant closed -- no drinks to be sold even as take away

 

[Wissel]

We are virtually totally locked down already---- only allowed out for essentials and total restrictions on entering other council areas from friday evening til monday mornings---' our motorhome has only been on 1 very short run since we bought it in october
Cafes and restaurant closed -- no drinks to be sold even as take away

Same as here then

Although I'd prefer to be locked down where you are than the frozen industrial estate we are stuck on.

Stay safe and at least enjoy the weather

 

[Sundowners]

It seems like the borders are closed to Portuguese and controlled for others----
So it looks as if maybe non Portuguese residents can pass to return to their home country???????

 

[jumar]

Shame border between France and Spain didn't close too, looks like the Spain is turning a blind eye to the arrival of motorhomers from northern Europe, numbers are increasing still, thats Covid cases and new arrivals.

 

[frogijock]

I thought closing borders was against the rules

Only copying the EU leader, Germany they closed their borders a couple of days ago

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[DBK]

The situation in Portuguese hospitals is desperate. I read today some German doctors may be flying in to help out. It is a combination of shortage of staff plus beds.

 

[busby]

It is to stop the quarantine jumpers back to Uk from popping in to spain trying to get home & no it isn't illegal under certain conditions this being one of them.

No other way home with a van though,,,If your in Portugal it sounds as if your stranded for at least a couple of weeks.I can think of worse places,,BUSBY.

 

[jumar]

So I suppose this effects the " Must have my wintersun holiday 2021 clan". I'm sure this will be extended beyond the 14 days...perhaps it may prove to be difficult to return to the UK by 31st March....will this make them...not you, an overstayer.....who can say....
Why put yourselves, your family, your loved ones in this situation in the first instance...

 

[The Wino]

No other way home with a van though,,,If your in Portugal it sounds as if your stranded for at least a couple of weeks.I can think of worse places,,BUSBY.

It depends if you're unlucky enough to get covid. If they're short of beds and doctors.

 

[Zepp]

A lot of our friends in Portugal have been on the same aires for months all of them full time they had no where else to go as all the campsites in the U.K. were shut or shutting

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[jumar]

A lot of our friends in Portugal have been on the same aires for months all of them full time they had no where else to go as all the campsites in the U.K. were shut or shutting

Their choice to go full time, living the dream, doing it on the cheap, vanlife is the only life, call it what you want....

 

[RidersofRohan]

Kier Starmer “too little, too late”.
Well, for once, it looks that way.

 

[Zepp]

Their choice to go full time, living the dream, doing it on the cheap, vanlife is the only life, call it what you want....

I think that’s a bit harsh

 

[spitfire]

A lot of our friends in Portugal have been on the same aires for months all of them full time they had no where else to go as all the campsites in the U.K. were shut or shutting

Nowhere to go but Portugal ?

 

[jumartoo]

I think that’s a bit harsh

Why?

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[Zepp]

Why?

Some people don’t go fulltiming through choice there are many reasons

 

[jumar]

I think that’s a bit harsh

Have they been forced into that lifestyle due to war, terror, or other non humane actions? I suppose not, they have done it by choice, their chosen lifestyle, avoiding this and that, dropping out of the system, if it turns sour, then so be it, make it right, take another direction, living on the cheap, freedom to do as they please....we all have difficult times, this is why we stay at home, why burden Portugal, because they need us, sure they do, just as much as they need a broken economy and a failing health system.....having a great time until its not so much a great time.

 

[Zepp]

Have they been forced into that lifestyle due to war, terror, or other non humane actions? I suppose not, they have done it by choice, their chosen lifestyle, avoiding this and that, dropping out of the system, if it turns sour, then so be it, make it right, take another direction, living on the cheap, freedom to do as they please....we all have difficult times, this is why we stay at home, why burden Portugal, because they need us, sure they do, just as much as they need a broken economy and a failing health system.....having a great time until its not so much a great time.

I think you need to stop counting motorhomes going past your house I refuse to get into a argument with you over full timers every full timer I know pays there. way

please come down to the aire in Vera and tell Pedro we all have to go home and he won’t be able to pay the bills next week

 

[JJ]

Oh dear...

I and some of my fellow full-time motorhomers seem to have upset Mr jumar.

I didn't realise that my choice of lifestyle might cause him so much grief.

Sorry.

JJ

 

[spitfire]

Oh dear...

I and some of my fellow full-time motorhomers seem to have upset Mr jumar.

I didn't realise that my choice of lifestyle might cause him so much grief.

Sorry.

JJ

JJ I dont think that is a fair comparison. You have land and you live there. You have not travelled over 1500km to Portugal because there is nowhere else to go. A pretty poor reason to travel so far.

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