Peugeot boxer start problems

[Felixxx]

Hi to all members of this community.
I just bought a Peugeot boxer 2.2 hdi 2007 to convert it to the camper van.
Van have only 160k kilometers and is in good condition except the color which is piling of. But I will repaint it anyway.
But I have starting problems with it. I buy new battery and is not better.
In the morning it really need time to start. But when it start there is no smoke and the engine runs perfectly. When is little bit warmer it starts on first try. But if I turn it of after start and I turn key right away it won't start. I have to wait 10-20 seconds and then it start.
What could be wrong? Where to start?

 

[Janine]

If it is Diesel engine, I think you have to wait a few seconds after turning on the ignition for the coil to warm up. But I may be wrong.

 

[Felixxx]

Yes it is diesel engine...and yes I wait a little bit before starting.
I already have one diesel vw t5.

 

[Clivefog]

Check your glow plugs are getting powered. Do you get the curly light on the dash come on and go off?

 

[Trevor Wbm]

When you say time to start, if you mean it turns over for longer than you expect before firing, it sounds like the heater plugs aren't working. If it starts quickly when up to temperature, that would also point to the heater plugs. If you hear what sounds like an intermittent cough, whilst it emits smoke, that's one heater still working, the others not.

Edit to add .... fuses 2 and 15 under the bonnet seem to control the heaters. https://fuse-box.info/peugeot/peugeot-boxer-2006-2018-fuses

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[Felixxx]

I need 5 minutes to start it on morning. Yes I get a light for heater coil. When it start there is no smoke at all...it is normal and engine runs perfectly.
How can I check plugs?

 

[Trevor Wbm]

If the fuses are OK, I don't think there's much option but to take them out and connect them across a battery, with thick wires, to see if they glow red ... that said if you've gone to the trouble of taking them out, you might as well put new ones in if you don't mind paying for them.

You say it doesn't smoke when it starts ... does it smoke whilst it's turning over before it starts? If yes I still think it's probably the heaters, if no then it might be fuel related, but given that it runs OK once it's going that would be odd.

 

[Clivefog]

What twbm said.

You could try turning on but not starting, once glow plug light goes off, turn off, and on again and wait until light goes off then try starting. If that makes a difference glow plugs need replacing.

 

[Felixxx]

Ok...this morning was like that... I turn key but not to the end just to give contact and wait to yellow light goes of...I did like this 3 times before I turn key to ignition and it didnt start. I can hear starter is running well and it dont have problem turning engine. And it was in neutral gear and headlights off. When it start after 5-6 minutes of turnig it was all ok. No lighs and engine runs smooth. Then I drive to work about 5km away. I was wait 10 minutes and try to start engine. It start right away . Then I turn it of and try again right away and it didn't start. After that I wait around 20-30 seconds and it start up.

 

[Clivefog]

Now leads me to a fuelling problem. Do you have a fuel priming pump. Try pumping till it goes hard/stiff before starting. If that cures it then you have a small air leak and need to check all hose and connections, including fuel filter.

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[Felixxx]

I dint understand what should I do. How can I pump?

 

[jockaneezer]

Does your engine have a primer bulb fitted to it, something like this image ?

They can develop a crack or split, which let's air into the system, or allows fuel to drain back to tank, this usually happens overnight, so making it difficult to start in the morning.
If you can work a multimeter, you can check the resistances of your glow plugs which would help eliminate them from the equation ?

 

[Clivefog]

May be young enough to have an electric primer pump in the tank, not sure when they were introduced?

 

[mitzimad]

try starting it with easy start if it starts then you have a fuel problem

 

[AlanSprung]

Does your engine have a primer bulb fitted to it, something like this image ?
View attachment 468028

They can develop a crack or split, which let's air into the system, or allows fuel to drain back to tank, this usually happens overnight, so making it difficult to start in the morning.
If you can work a multimeter, you can check the resistances of your glow plugs which would help eliminate them from the equation ?

I've not worked on diesel engines before, I'm familiar with multi-meters but how would you check the glow plug resistance (in situ?) and what value should they have - or is it simply a question of checking continuity? Thanks.

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[pappajohn]

I've not worked on diesel engines before, I'm familiar with multi-meters but how would you check the glow plug resistance (in situ?) and what value should they have - or is it simply a question of checking continuity? Thanks.

Center contact on plug top and engine earth using OHMs..
It'll either show resistance value or continuity.

 

[PeterCarole29]

Does your engine have a primer bulb fitted to it, something like this image ?
View attachment 468028

They can develop a crack or split, which let's air into the system, or allows fuel to drain back to tank, this usually happens overnight, so making it difficult to start in the morning.
If you can work a multimeter, you can check the resistances of your glow plugs which would help eliminate them from the equation ?

I had exactly this problem before the aa and my garage never found the problem i did myself it had a crack out of veiw