Oh dear! I've only gone and bought a Milk Float.

Sorry, but that is due to users. The vast majority of vehicle owners never check their oil levels. So the sensor is required. And in pretty much every case, the sensor is good enough because vehicles have become so reliable. There's sound logic to why the dipstick has disappeared.
If they are so reliable, why is it that FIAT have reintroduced the engine oil dipstick in series 10 Ducato vans after having tried sensors in series 8 & 9?
 
Moved over to the Intelligent Octopus Go tariff yesterday and made use of the 6 hours at 7p to charge the home batteries so I could export at 15p even earlier. (y)
I plugged my EV in to charge this lunchtime and Octopus Intelligent Go decided to charge from 1pm to 5:30pm, meaning all the laundry my wife was doing got done at 7p per unit too.
 
I plugged my EV in to charge this lunchtime and Octopus Intelligent Go decided to charge from 1pm to 5:30pm, meaning all the laundry my wife was doing got done at 7p per unit too.

No car to plug in yet, as ours is still bobbing about on the sea on its way from China. ☹️
 
If they are so reliable, why is it that FIAT have reintroduced the engine oil dipstick in series 10 Ducato vans after having tried sensors in series 8 & 9?
Because it's a different engine design and they haven't evolved it out yet? Lots of cars don't have dipsticks anymore. The vast majority of people never check their oil. And yet cars are lasting longer than ever.

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Because it's a different engine design and they haven't evolved it out yet? Lots of cars don't have dipsticks anymore. The vast majority of people never check their oil. And yet cars are lasting longer than ever.
I believe series 8,9, and 10 use the same 2.2 engine? The thread below suggests the Ducato sensor has been problematic for some

 
Two types of hybrids, self charging and plugin.
Hybrids normally use electric for the start of driving, and low speed and the engine comes in on higher power demands such as harder acceleration and higher road speeds.
Not aware that any are driver selectable for ICE or battery other that the way the vehicle is driven.
Many have drive modes with heavy emphasis one way or another. Volvo's Pure-mode for example is just about 100% electric in practice while Power- and all-terrain-modes have ICE on all the time. BMW has similar spread of drive modes as well - they even advertised automagical full ev-mode when entering no-emission-zones few years back.
 
Two types of hybrids, self charging and plugin.
Hybrids normally use electric for the start of driving, and low speed and the engine comes in on higher power demands such as harder acceleration and higher road speeds.
Not aware that any are driver selectable for ICE or battery other that the way the vehicle is driven.
On ours you can choose to use EV only, or save the battery for later so it won't go below 80% SOC, or if you put a route in the nav system it'll work out the best mix. Being a hybrid the range is only 55-60miles at best (quoted as 75).....
 
But my point is that the engine will only kick in under hard acceleration, would you normally start an engine then accelerate hard, or let it warm up first? If normally the car is driven within ev range, the engine will only kick in when extra power is required and may then only be used for a minute or so, causing a lot of moisture etc as well in the exhaust, as the engine may never get up to temperature.
Friend has a hybrid Volvo. apart from around devon locally it goes to the office in Leamington spa once a weekin 2,5 hours & back home in the evening. When his wife uses it the engine is in use most of the time .
I’d assumed with hybrids one could select the preferred power source (ICE or Bat) so you can warm the engine before switching back to ‘normal’ operating with a mixture of the two?
as above
The people I know that have plug-in hybrids seem to be in a competition to never use the ICE...
Yes twats you get stuck behind. drive it normally like any vehicle.
Sure, EVs make you think about refuelling in a different way,
With a diesel I don't even think about refuelling?
but once you've got your head around it, it's easy. Just different to ICE.
When it becomes pull in,fill ,pay , gone as with petrol or diesel i'd be interested
The vast majority of vehicle owners never check their oil levels.
& the vast majority of them trhen should not be on the road.Would then make the roads perfect for the drivers
 
All this electricity rate malarkey I just go to the fuel station ⛽ and fill up with diesel job done 😎
"go to the fuel station"

There's a phrase I won't be using for my car, ever again. I must work on getting the smug smile off my face every time I glide on by...
:clap:

When it becomes pull in,fill ,pay , gone as with petrol or diesel i'd be interested
With home charging, I have only had to do the EV equivalent (ie using public charging) a handful of times in the last year - and always coincidental with a natural coffee/lunch/pee stop. Loads of time saved (oops, there's my smug face again)... :giggler:

Roll on a viable EV MH.

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With home charging, I have only had to do the EV equivalent (ie using public charging) a handful of times in the last year - and always coincidental with a natural coffee/lunch/pee stop. Loads of time saved (oops, there's my smug face again)... :giggler:
but whilst charging you cannot leave again? & Why I always arrive home full.so that I can leave again instantly, which often happens.;no good being sat there not being able to leave for an hour + & I don't have "natural coffe/lunch,pee breaks" .I stop engine running pee ,drive off. You eat when you¡ve driven all day.
 
whilst charging you cannot leave again?
Have never needed to.
I'm generally asleep while it does its thing.
You eat when you¡ve driven all day.
I very rarely 'drive all day' (my bladder certainly wouldn't cope) and would certainly not deprive myself of eating just to do so.

EV-life might not suit everyone but has been a very easy and pleasant transition for me.
Still surprises me that I'm not missing my beloved Audi A5...
 
Is the range left the same as an ice car, says 93 miles left then 2 minutes later the low fuel warning light comes on🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I thought similar knowing how my e bike battery drops of a cliff when it’s hit around 40% 😱
 
All this electricity rate malarkey I just go to the fuel station ⛽ and fill up with diesel job done 😎
Near future: remember that time when we had to remember to go to a special place called a fuel station to fill up with dino juice whenever we were running out? That was such a malarkey!
 
I thought similar knowing how my e bike battery drops of a cliff when it’s hit around 40% 😱
About time you bought a decent e bike. 🤣
Full power on mine until the battery is flat and it has a range of 70 miles.

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About time you bought a decent e bike. 🤣
Full power on mine until the battery is flat and it has a range of 70 miles.
😂

I think my type of riding may not be like yours 😉😊

Mine takes a hammering riding up places like Bike Park Wales 😊
 
Near future: remember that time when we had to remember to go to a special place called a fuel station to fill up with dino juice whenever we were running out? That was such a malarkey!
What you don't put fuel ⛽ in the Moho or will that be a EV? What a malarkey 🤣🤣
 
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What you don't put fuel ⛽ in the Moho or will that be a EV? What a malarkey 🤣🤣
The vast majority of the time, I don't have to drive to a special place to get it. It comes out of a socket at home. Driving an ICE vehicle is like having to go to the well, whereas EV drivers get home plumbing.
 
Interesting "exclusive" in Money Mail .... higher priced EV's to get cheaper to run maybe ...

Even though BEV's were up 8% YOY in a market down 10%

"The Government is set to dump its controversial 'Tesla Tax' on new electric cars to help boost sluggish sales, a Labour minister has revealed in a leaked letter seen by MailOnline and This is Money.

The present £40,000 price-threshold above which buyers must pay hundreds of pounds more in tax is set to be raised for battery-powered vehicles at the next Budget 'to make it easier to buy electric cars,' writes Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood."

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Interesting "exclusive" in Money Mail .... higher priced EV's to get cheaper to run maybe ...

Even though BEV's were up 8% YOY in a market down 10%

"The Government is set to dump its controversial 'Tesla Tax' on new electric cars to help boost sluggish sales, a Labour minister has revealed in a leaked letter seen by MailOnline and This is Money.

The present £40,000 price-threshold above which buyers must pay hundreds of pounds more in tax is set to be raised for battery-powered vehicles at the next Budget 'to make it easier to buy electric cars,' writes Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood."

Waste of time the cheaper electric cars are the ones going to increase ev take up not the ones over £40k
 
Waste of time the cheaper electric cars are the ones going to increase ev take up not the ones over £40k
Agreed. We're getting there. There are a few EVs that are pretty much the same price as their ICE equivalents. A few years ago, an eCorsa was an entry level EV and cost about £32k. Now there's several proper cars below £25k (and the Spring). The EV premium is eroding. And it's the middle to low end that'll make a difference in our towns and cities.
 
Waste of time the cheaper electric cars are the ones going to increase ev take up not the ones over £40k
The UK average price paid for an EV is somewhere between £46 and £50k. So maybe not a complete waste... but not a silver bullet solution either. There are some great deals on EV's put there at the moment but the tax is charged on manufacturers list price, not the price you pay. Every little helps.
 
Agreed. We're getting there. There are a few EVs that are pretty much the same price as their ICE equivalents. A few years ago, an eCorsa was an entry level EV and cost about £32k. Now there's several proper cars below £25k (and the Spring). The EV premium is eroding. And it's the middle to low end that'll make a difference in our towns and cities.
We are looking at the Citroen eC3 and Hyundai Inster currently and the range for a local runabout is ample.

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The UK average price paid for an EV is somewhere between £46 and £50k. So maybe not a complete waste... but not a silver bullet solution either. There are some great deals on EV's put there at the moment but the tax is charged on manufacturers list price, not the price you pay. Every little helps.
I think a large percentage of the new EV sales are probably company cars rather than private owners. The fleets buy at heavy discount. most of the EVs in my street are > £40k jobs, apart from my MG5 and our neighbours ZOE.
 
The UK average price paid for an EV is somewhere between £46 and £50k. So maybe not a complete waste... but not a silver bullet solution either. There are some great deals on EV's put there at the moment but the tax is charged on manufacturers list price, not the price you pay. Every little helps.
My point though is that if there is room to incentivise EV sales do it in the cheap mass market stuff. I can't figure out why the manufacturers have high list prices and big discounts rather than a more realistic list price it makes depreciation look really high and bumps cars into higher ved. Presumably it's because the public are all mugs and believe DFS really does have sales all the time!
 
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I think a large percentage of the new EV sales are probably company cars rather than private owners. The fleets buy at heavy discount. most of the EVs in my street are > £40k jobs, apart from my MG5 and our neighbours ZOE.
I think that was true up to about a year ago. Private buyers I think are now a lot more common and I see loads of byd and MG EVs compared to a year ago. It's one of the reasons that Tesla has lost so much market share I suspect they are largely still company cars
 
My point though is that if there is room to incentivise EV sales do it in the cheap mass market stuff. I can't figure out why the manufacturers have high list prices and big discounts rather than a more realistic list price it makes depreciation look really high and bumps cars into higher ved. Presumably it's because the public are all mugs and believe DFS really does have sales all the time!
It's also due to an accounting game manufacturers are playing. About 10 years ago, they all switched so frequently they are the ultimate owners of leased vehicles. They remain as assets. So it's in their interest to set the values high. But it doesn't affect the buyers because they just pay a lease rate. I think the depreciated assets then offset tax? So it's not uncommon for a lease to cost less than an owned car would have depreciated. It's all an accounting fiddle.

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