Oh dear! I've only gone and bought a Milk Float.

[Lenny HB]

Maybe get onto that idiot Milliband and remind him the ved charge isn’t encouraging EV sales

SWMBO diesel A3 is £20 a year ved

Can't make idiots see sense.

 

[starquake]

Would you also need a dedicated 32a supply with RCD/MCB or RCBO and 4/6mm cabling from the Consumer Unit installing to get 32a to outside charging socket?

Yes, we have 10mm in our case and yes, needs a dedicated wiring run from consumer unit, or a distrubution board fed with suffient supply, you can't extend a 32A ring main!. Luckily for us our (100A fed) consumer board is mounted on same wall other side we have the commando socket on, so it's a massive 30cm run, and had a spare unused RCBO (decommisioned old circuit for a water heater) with correct tolerances for EV charging (so wouldn't be blinded by DC). Even if I'd had to buy a new RCBO it would not have been expensive. One thing I would say is get advice on wiring sizes and we went over, and despite this you do notice a 32A circuit is WARM when under full load, even on 10mm. It's not dangerous, but it's warm, and the terminations obviously do need to be appropriately torqued and checked by a professional, as it's not EV's that go on fire, but the chargers for them when not installed well!

PEN fault device (intergeated into all the chargers now which is why they cost more) is arguably a must, but bear in mind most 13A granny chargers as Lenny likely using now have zero PEN fault detection either. We did put a Matt:e branded PEN device in our case, so the wiring runs from consumer board to directly below to PEN device onto the commando socket.

 

[The Wino]

We had a drive in an MG4 a couple of weeks couldn't believe how nice they are to drive.

All those deals dealers are advertising with £8k - £10k off in the small print it says Affinity terms apply, that means you have to be a government employee to get the deal. Best the dealer would give me was £3.5k.
Same day we had the test drive this MG4 Trophy came up on line far cheaper than any dealer, only 7 months old and the colour the boss wanted & £400 more for my car than MG dealer offered.

Look for pre registered. We got our trophy long range last September for £22 k zero miles brand new. Depreciation has been very high for people who bought when they first came out and the list price of around £34k was a good deal. We usually keep cars 6 or 7 years so far it's been great to drive and cheap to run. We also bought a three year dealer service plan for £299.

 

[herald_400rl]

Yes, we have 10mm in our case and yes, needs a dedicated wiring run from consumer unit, or a distrubution board fed with suffient supply, you can't extend a 32A ring main!. Luckily for us our (100A fed) consumer board is mounted on same wall other side we have the commando socket on, so it's a massive 30cm run, and had a spare unused RCBO (decommisioned old circuit for a water heater) with correct tolerances for EV charging (so wouldn't be blinded by DC). Even if I'd had to buy a new RCBO it would not have been expensive. One thing I would say is get advice on wiring sizes and we went over, and despite this you do notice a 32A circuit is WARM when under full load, even on 10mm. It's not dangerous, but it's warm, and the terminations obviously do need to be appropriately torqued and checked by a professional, as it's not EV's that go on fire, but the chargers for them when not installed well!

PEN fault device (intergeated into all the chargers now which is why they cost more) is arguably a must, but bear in mind most 13A granny chargers as Lenny likely using now have zero PEN fault detection either. We did put a Matt:e branded PEN device in our case, so the wiring runs from consumer board to directly below to PEN device onto the commando socket.

They're actually 10a not 13a in most cases.
Our outdoor socket is ev rated.
We can't have a proper charger until we're unlooped by the dno.

 

[Carpmart]

I had no idea so many were moving away from ICE to EV… don’t get it personally…

Nice looking car Lenny! You won’t miss it in the car park!!!

Have you hacked it yet Lenny? Bound to be a hidden POWWWEEERRRR setting you can unlock!

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[The Wino]

Would you also need a dedicated 32a supply with RCD/MCB or RCBO and 4/6mm cabling from the Consumer Unit installing to get 32a to outside charging socket?

And a cat5 cable from the EV charging to the consumer unit

 

[M-J]

Love our EV and changing the Yaris hybrid to an EV Volvo in the next month or so. The Merc is super quiet, comfortable and circa 360 miles for £6, what’s not to like

 

[Lenny HB]

You do know it is illegal to install your own, it's very easy, just illegal

I thought the terms were, must be installed by a competent person, I think Paul and myself are more competent than a lot of the so called professionals.

 

[Just smiffy]

Quite the reverse - the MG4 has V2L - the car charges the van - then re-charge the car at 8p per kWh.

If using the van on a chilly evening we heat the van and the electric blanket for an hour or 2 then re-plug the car before bed.

We've just bought our 2nd electric car for buzzing about town. It's a Dacia Spring Extreme £11500 for a 25 pre-reg rather than £17.5k new - does 140 miles and less than £2 to recharge. The vehicle will never be more than 50 miles from home and is replacing a 11yo Hyundai i10 which would cost £18k+ new. What's not to like for a cheap run about.

It’s the van that has solar, not the car…..

 

[herald_400rl]

I thought the terms were, must be installed by a competent person, I think Paul and myself are more competent than a lot of the so called professionals.

Given this was the work of a "professional" its not a high standard

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[Lenny HB]

I had no idea so many were moving away from ICE to EV… don’t get it personally…

I didn't until I drove one, said I'd never buy one.

 

[Lenny HB]

Look for pre registered. We got our trophy long range last September for £22 k zero miles brand new. Depreciation has been very high for people who bought when they first came out and the list price of around £34k was a good deal. We usually keep cars 6 or 7 years so far it's been great to drive and cheap to run. We also bought a three year dealer service plan for £299.

Paid 20k for this one done 1600 miles and they gave me £400 more for my old car than an MG dealer would.
After we bought it one came up online yesterday for 22½k. Happy with what we got for the money and only had to go along the road to Portsmouth to pick it up.

 

[starquake]

I thought the terms were, must be installed by a competent person, I think Paul and myself are more competent than a lot of the so called professionals.

I think thats where having a NICEIC or similar body giving you a certificate avoids any needs for Building regs inspections. (Installing a new circuit is not a allowable activity yourself since the changes in regulation without this).

In this neck of woods you can do yourself but do have to get the council out otherwise to inspect in effect.

But most (decent) sparks are happy to issue certs cheaply to people doing a competant job once checked themselves. Luckily in my case Dad was a HV spark and was rated at National grid levels of HV (250kv) at end of career - but even he gets my best mates brother out to issue a NICEIC cert as it's less hassle than the wait for the council, and like me it usually only costs a crate of beer for it.

I didn't until I drove one, said I'd never buy one.

I think thats the key point, most people drive one then wonder why they lived with the slower and harder to drive petrol and diesel all that time. As you say the cruise control (as standard in all except the big german marques) with it's ability to be used even in town at stop start situations makes driving a total gamechanger, no pedals used at all.

I used to dread the M25, and still do in the Motorhome, but when I have to run an errand around London in the car now I just put the car into auto cruise and leave it be, it'll deal with all the idiots and their break checking automatically and typcially faster than I can react too. I still have free congestion zone access too (Worth registering for this Lenny, expires December 2025 -> free Congestion charge access for London for this year for all EV's).

Discounts and exemptions for Congestion Charge and Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels charge

Exemptions list and eligibility criteria and how to apply online for discounts for Congestion Charge or Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels charge including discounts for Blue Badge holders and local residents.

tfl.gov.uk

 

[MichaelT]

Maybe get onto that idiot Milliband and remind him the ved charge isn’t encouraging EV sales

SWMBO diesel A3 is £20 a year ved

It was a conservative decision I believe and if you replace all cars with ev ones you need to replace the lost revenue from ice ved

 

[The Wino]

Paid 20k for this one done 1600 miles and they gave me £400 more for my old car than an MG dealer would.
After we bought it one came up online yesterday for 22½k. Happy with what we got for the money and only had to go along the road to Portsmouth to pick it up.

We sold our old car ourselves it was a good workhorse skoda Octavia estate had it 8 years paid £13k sold for £6 k did 90 k miles very few problems. That being said over 90 k miles with the EV we should save a big chunk on diesel!
Just worked it out on an EV tariff we would save over £7000 compared to diesel and lower servicing costs.

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[Carpmart]

This has got me thinking now.. So how do total cost of ownership over say, five years, stack up WRT EV vs ICE now days?

-Depreciation higher on EV’s so Residual values are lower on EV’s after five years
-Set up costs are higher on EV’s unless you already have the drive charger
-Running cost on the right home tariff are better EV
-Running cost if charging on public networks not much different than sticking fuel in
-Servicing costs, lower with EV
-Tyres higher cost with EV
-Vehicle Tax probably similar
-Insurance?
- can you park an EV for five months without using/charging it

Unless I’m missing something, there is not a lot in it really…

 

[starquake]

Just worked it out on an EV tariff we would save over £7000 compared to diesel and lower servicing costs.

You can see why there is not an non-EV taxi to be found in this town.

The drivers quickly saw the benefit. The local taxi company owner also mentioned Octopus offerred him flat rate £20 for all charging. Given that reduces his costs to near nothing £20 a month it's no wonder he has driven the other taxi firm out of business.

 

[bobandjanie]

VED now £195 on EV's.
Batteries 7 years & 80,000 miles, car is 7 years, so I've got 6½ years.

Nice looking car Lenny, you do have the advantage with your 3D printer and knowing your electronics because that has caused our friends Audi to spend weeks unusable when someone backed into it waiting for 28 plastic parts with sensors.

Surprised about the road tax i thought they were trying to encourage people to go electric, in Spain our 2014 diesel clio is €53 and our 2017 motorhome is €71 road tax and our last 2 fill ups diesel prices has been €1.17 and €1.18.

Not looking forward to filling up here in but then plenty of free parking. Bob.

 

[Silver-Fox]

It was a conservative decision I believe and if you replace all cars with ev ones you need to replace the lost revenue from ice ved

Yes I appreciate how it works.

But hardly encouraging people having to pay that for VED is it

 

[MisterB]

I thought the terms were, must be installed by a competent person, I think Paul and myself are more competent than a lot of the so called professionals.

As was the person I heard a rumour about

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[MichaelT]

Yes I appreciate how it works.

But hardly encouraging people having to pay that for VED is it

Why they use roads same as rest of us and as they are likely heavier than same sized ice car probably do more damage?

 

[Barriesimpson]

I said I would never buy a milk float and now I've only been and done it and have to admit I love it.
Mi's not happy when I put my foot down and she gets thrown back in the seat.

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Where do you put the milk?

 

[Beltie]

Yep.

I've got one of those as well!

 

[Barriesimpson]

Car is only used as a shopping trolly so not bothering to fit EV charger.
We are with Octopus on Economy 7 tariff but our old fashioned timer is out so we get off peak during the day which saves us quite a bit.

Charging at 15p kw/h still only costs £3.25 to £3.80 per 100 miles depending on miles per kw, compared to £18 in the petrol car.

Not exactly earth shaking savings though is it.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Why they use roads same as rest of us and as they are likely heavier than same sized ice car probably do more damage?

I don’t disagree but that wasn’t the point I was trying to make, poorly obviously.

They as in mad Milliband wants net zero then has ved on EV vehicles.

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[Guigsy]

That’s it, the Chinese will be tracking you now and know what’s in Mr Wallet now Lenny

Most new cars are "connected" these days. And for several of the major brands, the EULA that you click when you first use it is a privacy invasion nightmare.

Cars are collecting data on your sex life – and manufacturers could sell it

Cars have been called a 'privacy nightmare on wheels'.

metro.co.uk

 

[Guigsy]

Had thought about it, will give it a try.

I've got the home charger and Octopus Intelligent Go tariff... I probably shouldn't have bothered. In the past 9 months, I've not needed to fully charge the car overnight. Every time I've come home empty, it would have been fine to just charge it half way and do the rest the following night. So I probably could have got by on the 3 pin granny charger and saved a bunch of money. Ok, I'd have got an hour less of 7p electricity... But I think I would have been fine.

 

[The Wino]

This has got me thinking now.. So how do total cost of ownership over say, five years, stack up WRT EV vs ICE now days?

-Depreciation higher on EV’s so Residual values are lower on EV’s after five years
-Set up costs are higher on EV’s unless you already have the drive charger
-Running cost on the right home tariff are better EV
-Running cost if charging on public networks not much different than sticking fuel in
-Servicing costs, lower with EV
-Tyres higher cost with EV
-Vehicle Tax probably similar
-Insurance?
- can you park an EV for five months without using/charging it

Unless I’m missing something, there is not a lot in it really…

The big unknown is the depreciation experienced by people buying EVs now. Prices for new have reduced a lot over the past couple of years meaning people who bought them a few years ago are selling in competition to what you can get a new one for now. As ours cost the same or less than a conventional engine car and a couple of years ago they we're half as much again or more I think the depreciation thing is difficult to guess. There's also the fact that this thread shows there's a pretty big move to EVs by people who weren't considering one before.
As we've all seen with motorhomes depreciation is difficult to predict!

 

[bobnick]

VED now £195 on EV's.
Batteries 7 years & 80,000 miles, car is 7 years, so I've got 6½ years.

They won't suddenly go kaputt at 7 years.........................oh no, they will go much much sooner (you know i'm only joking Lenny)

 

[Guigsy]

The big unknown is the depreciation experienced by people buying EVs now. Prices for new have reduced a lot over the past couple of years meaning people who bought them a few years ago are selling in competition to what you can get a new one for now. As ours cost the same or less than a conventional engine car and a couple of years ago they we're half as much again or more I think the depreciation thing is difficult to guess. There's also the fact that this thread shows there's a pretty big move to EVs by people who weren't considering one before.
As we've all seen with motorhomes depreciation is difficult to predict!

I think the doomsayers caused a lot of depreciation. But as you said, the public's view of EVs is shifting. I suspect they'll fall into line with ICE depreciation. Right now that means their value plummets from new, and second hand EVs are very cheap. But it probably won't stay that way for long. You aren't going to magically make money, but I think there's a window where lightly used EVs will lose very little in the next few years.

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