New Michelin Cross Climates fitted and Old Michelin Campers after 37k miles

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TeamBandS

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New Michelin Agilis Cross Climates fitted today replacing 7 year old, 37k mile old Michelin Campers.
First impressions after 50 miles on very rough 'C' road are all positive. Ride improved, sweet handling and noise same or less (hard to tell on this road) The treads look impressive and very different from the Camper tyres - I can believe the reports that suggest better on grass and much improved on snow.

Inspected the old Michelin Campers and impressed with 3/2.5mm tread remaining across all 4 tyres and no signs of cracks/splitting anywhere. However they have always been run at the recommended 80psi which gave a hard ride but certainly looked after the tyres. I have no doubt they would have lasted to 40k miles but at 7 years old it was time to go plus prefer not to run tyres to the limit!

Not sure what pressure to run the Cross Climates at and Michelin not proving helpful once you state they are on a MoHo. Any one know of them being fitted as Original Fit by any manufactures? Local ambulances use them so plan to ask at their depot what they run them at. What pressures to Funsters use? 3500kg MoHo - 1650kg front, 2000kg back (max weights!)
 
TeamBandS said:
New Michelin Agilis Cross Climates fitted today replacing 7 year old, 37k mile old Michelin Campers.
First impressions after 50 miles on very rough 'C' road are all positive. Ride improved, sweet handling and noise same or less (hard to tell on this road) The treads look impressive and very different from the Camper tyres - I can believe the reports that suggest better on grass and much improved on snow.

Inspected the old Michelin Campers and impressed with 3/2.5mm tread remaining across all 4 tyres and no signs of cracks/splitting anywhere. However they have always been run at the recommended 80psi which gave a hard ride but certainly looked after the tyres. I have no doubt they would have lasted to 40k miles but at 7 years old it was time to go plus prefer not to run tyres to the limit!

Not sure what pressure to run the Cross Climates at and Michelin not proving helpful once you state they are on a MoHo. Any one know of them being fitted as Original Fit by any manufactures? Local ambulances use them so plan to ask at their depot what they run them at. What pressures to Funsters use? 3500kg MoHo - 1650kg front, 2000kg back (max weights!)
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When you do get the correct figures, I reckon they'll be close to 55 - 60 psi, (3.8 - 4 Bar).

I have always used commercial tyres, and pressures from the tyre manufacturers varied between 3.5 - 4 bar, based on axle weights.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
Hope there better than my Cross climates , bad cracks in sidewall at two years , just changed two at three years.
Suggest you use covers in the summer.
 
I have cross climates on my CRV Car, They wear well and drive well. Of course that is on a Car .

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Are the current Michelin Agilis Camper Green tyres made of the same compound and design as the original Michelin Camper tyres? I ask as there are many bad reviews if Michelin Camper tyres, wonder if they are referring to an earlier inferior design. My New Michelin Camper seem fine, wet or dry, good wear and comfortable at 80 psi.
 
I do not know when or if the Michelin CP tyres changed. Mine were manufactured in 2014. Other than a somewhat harsh ride when run at 80 psi, I have been happy with them for 37k miles. General grip and handling have been OK given they are fitted to a 3,500 Mo Home and not driven as if fitted to something sporty! Occasionally got a small amount of slip pulling away uphill or on some gravel, but this can happen in my car. Breaking has been good and on the 2 occasions I can recall when really needing to brake hard I was actually quite impressed. Other members have not had the same experiences with these tyres citing tyres cracking both on the tyre wall and between the treads - all mine were absolutely fine and other than their age and being in their last few thousand miles of legal tread depth ( 2.5 - 3 mm) could have remained on the MH. Michelin and Hymer both stated 80 psi for these tyres - the only factors I can think of to account for the problems others have had is Michelin having changed the tyre (but I know nothing about this other than what has been reported on other threads) or running them below 80 psi. I am not an expert in tyres and these are only my thoughts given the differing experiences members have had. Quite a few times I have asked other MHers (?) about their Michelin tyres and they were either OK with them or really did not have a view on them....
 
My fronts are CC, 20K, rears are CP, 44K. Normally run 60-55 but when they come back from the garage they are always at 80. I do notice the difference in ride but either way they have no cracks. Maybe because the van is used all year round and never laid up helps.
 
TeamBandS said:
7 year old, 37k mile old Michelin Campers.
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How did you get them to last that long? :drinks:
I thought I was gentle with my tyres but this set are more than half worn at two years and 16K miles.
I think I'll be very lucky to get 30K :swear2:

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I believe that most MHers drive fairly conservatively. The old advice for better MPG is also a great basis for reducing tyre ware - gentle acceleration and braking and gently around corners. No secrets here and I'm sure vast majority are aware of these actions. Only other factors I can guess at - heavier MH will put more stress on tyres acceleration and breaking, towing will add to stress if a heavy weight is behind and then tyre pressures. As I have said in before, I have run at 80 psi and ware rate I believe might be the result of that coupled with gentle driving. Oh, I did do a front to back change of the tyres at about 20K miles to even the ware.
 
68c said:
Are the current Michelin Agilis Camper Green tyres made of the same compound and design as the original Michelin Camper tyres? I ask as there are many bad reviews if Michelin Camper tyres, wonder if they are referring to an earlier inferior design. My New Michelin Camper seem fine, wet or dry, good wear and comfortable at 80 psi.
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Had the Green version on my van changed them at 3 years old ride was awful even with full air also wear rate quite high & lousy grip. Got rid and fitted Toyo Observe Van, ride & grip so much better.
 
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Ok here I go again about tyres Time to change my tyres again what do you funsters who have had your Toyo & Hankook for a a good time think about your choice
 
Yes thanks for your reply just wondering ho other funsters have got on with there's

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TeamBandS said:
New Michelin Agilis Cross Climates fitted today replacing 7 year old, 37k mile old Michelin Campers.
First impressions after 50 miles on very rough 'C' road are all positive. Ride improved, sweet handling and noise same or less (hard to tell on this road) The treads look impressive and very different from the Camper tyres - I can believe the reports that suggest better on grass and much improved on snow.

Inspected the old Michelin Campers and impressed with 3/2.5mm tread remaining across all 4 tyres and no signs of cracks/splitting anywhere. However they have always been run at the recommended 80psi which gave a hard ride but certainly looked after the tyres. I have no doubt they would have lasted to 40k miles but at 7 years old it was time to go plus prefer not to run tyres to the limit!

Not sure what pressure to run the Cross Climates at and Michelin not proving helpful once you state they are on a MoHo. Any one know of them being fitted as Original Fit by any manufactures? Local ambulances use them so plan to ask at their depot what they run them at. What pressures to Funsters use? 3500kg MoHo - 1650kg front, 2000kg back (max weights!)
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IF you haven't got a full spare wheel, throw one of the old tyres in the garage. Doesn't weigh much and might come in handy? :unsure:
 
Thanks for that reply I am thinking of going for 225 from 215 to give me a bit more weight allowance as enyone got any thoughts on going from 215 to 225 rubber shoes
 
BOWHOUSE52 said:
Thanks for that reply I am thinking of going for 225 from 215 to give me a bit more weight allowance as enyone got any thoughts on going from 215 to 225 rubber shoes
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1. Aye, make sure you have enough clearance between the tyres and the wheel arches, especially on the front when on full lock.

2. Check your user manual, to see if 225 is an option for that chassis/model.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
Thanks Jock for that a good point but I know there is a clearance of about 2inch's but will check when I go the storage next week
 
I often wonder what makes someone choose a particular tyre over another when the one they are choosing has a lower grip rating.I always thought the better the grip rating in wet the better it will be for you to avoid hitting something when you need to stop. Some of the tyres mentioned only have a B or a C for wet under the winter label. The cross climate ones mentioned in this thread have an A for wet grip which is the best so i would say that is a good choice if thats what needed under the all seasons category.

One of the mobile tyre fitters ages ago when i was getting the car sorted asked me the same question as he said all tyres have to conform to a safety standard and the only thing worth looking at is the Key ratings for Fuel/Grip and noise. People choose brand names as they always have been not because they are the best there is. Or should i say not by going off of the Key labels.

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Hi thanks for those Last comments I have just been talking camskill tyres and they have said very much the same thing plus as from 2003 onwards it is recommended for insurance purposes that we fit a good camper tyre on because of the possibility of the softer one's having a blow out due to the pulling and stretching of the walls on the tyres and that is all we need is to give insurance companies the chance to get out of paying for a claim But as camskill tyres state it is up the individual person to make there own decision on what they want to do
 
What about on commercial vehicles which do 1000s miles a week?

If you use you van 4 weeks of the year than camper tyres are the logical conclusion but if your a regular user a commercial tyre will be fine.
 
Jamesh said:
What about on commercial vehicles which do 1000s miles a week?

If you use you van 4 weeks of the year than camper tyres are the logical conclusion but if your a regular user a commercial tyre will be fine.
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I am sure the insurance companies will use whatever they can to get out of paying if they find a non camper tyre fitted even if its fit for purpose. Its proving it that is going to be the problem and one that will be down to the individual if it comes up which it may or may not do.
 
BOWHOUSE52 said:
Hi thanks for those Last comments I have just been talking camskill tyres and they have said very much the same thing plus as from 2003 onwards it is recommended for insurance purposes that we fit a good camper tyre on because of the possibility of the softer one's having a blow out due to the pulling and stretching of the walls on the tyres and that is all we need is to give insurance companies the chance to get out of paying for a claim But as camskill tyres state it is up the individual person to make there own decision on what they want to do
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Camskill would say that. They are in the business of selling tyres.
Both in our Hymer and N+B handbooks, tyre pressures are supplied for both commercial (C), and camper tyres (CP).
Commercial tyres were factory fitted from new on the Hymer.
Also, white van man pounds the motorways loaded to the gunnels on a daily basis, on commercial tyres.

Perhaps if your MH is stood in storage from October through to March, you might consider paying the extra. However, I have had commercial tyres with the same side wall and ply rating as Camper tyres. There is no need to pay the premium charged for the Camper tyres, if you do your homework correctly.

Good luck in not getting ripped off,

Jock. :)
 
Hi all these points taken on board and very good points too. So in all your opinions what's make is a good commercial tyre and no I do not want to be ripped off but we do need to be safe

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You won't find any 7.5 tonne Motorhomes fitted with camping tyres as they don't make them in suitible sizes or load ratings.
 
I've not heard any evidence of any significant increase in the number of punctures or blow outs from van tyres fitted to motorhomes which were sat idle for months during the lockdowns so I'm pretty convinced that CP tyres aren't necessary.
 
Thanks for all your replys as a matter of interest our motorhome is on the road 7to8 months of the year in storage no more than 6 weeks at a time so with this in mind will look for tyres with up to 12 side wall figures
 
JockandRita said:
When you do get the correct figures, I reckon they'll be close to 55 - 60 psi, (3.8 - 4 Bar).

I have always used commercial tyres, and pressures from the tyre manufacturers varied between 3.5 - 4 bar, based on axle weights.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
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I’m with Jock, 55-60 psi. 80psi is bone jarringly hard.

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