Max.permissible mass (exc. m/c)?

[gus-lopez]

Can European plod want to see your "log book" and would they know the difference between the categories*.

Yes & yes.

. These documents aren't consistent across Europe so I'd be surprised it your average plod would understand it and I've no awareness of a requirement to take it with you. (

The docs might not be but the numbering/lettering is the same. Same as driving licences.Aslong as you know what the numbers &letters represent you can understand the document.

 

[Lenny HB]

If the mam section 7.1 has nothing on it does it really matter

revenue weight is correct at 3500.

Probably OK with nothing in it. What is a problem when you uprate DVLA nearly always change the revenue weight but not the MAM. So you have a document that says revenue weight 3580kg but MAM which is the maximum you are allowed to run at saying 3500kg

Probably OK in the UK as we go by revenue weight but if you travel abroad its best to have it correct.

 

[nicholsong]

This thread illustrates just what I have said many times: DVLA are only concerned with tax collection, so get 'Revenue weight' correct, but are not concerned with the legality of the V5c in terms of it demonstrating the right of the vehicle to be operated in accordance with its category.

In UK it probably does not matter as the authorities know the incompetence of DVLA, but elsewhere it can be a problem.

I have many times suggested that registration of vehicles and their details be taken away from DVLA, which is an Agency of the DfT and handed to DVSA, also an Agency of DfT, because they have people who understand vehicles, construction, weights and equipment. DVSA already do certification of vehicle types and individual vehicles, and also run the MOT system. It seems to me such a logical step.

Geoff

I am quoting my own post because at last the DfT and its Minister seem to have woken up to the problems, see here

Shapps promises to digitise DVLA and clear backlog

The transport secretary has pledged to digitise the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) in an attempt to clear the backlog of applications. Grant Shapps

www.thetimes.co.uk

but it has taken at least 9 years, from date this thread started for example, for the message to get through.

The article also indicates that they are looking at why we need two agencies, namely DVLA and DVSA, which is something I have been querying for a few years.

Let's hope for some improvement - in ???years?

 

[sonar]

Probably OK with nothing in it. What is a problem when you uprate DVLA nearly always change the revenue weight but not the MAM. So you have a document that says revenue weight 3580kg but MAM which is the maximum you are allowed to run at saying 3500kg

Probably OK in the UK as we go by revenue weight but if you travel abroad its best to have it correct.

Thanks for that looks like it’s going back agin very soon then

just thought I would use a big hi light pen in the blank section.

 

[Peregrinator]

Thanks for that looks like it’s going back agin very soon then

just thought I would use a big hi light pen in the blank section.

Thats what I did, got it back within two weeks.

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[enark]

Hi All…..arghhhh, just updated mine, and exactly as original OP…..back to DVLA…

 

[Peregrinator]

Probably OK with nothing in it. What is a problem when you uprate DVLA nearly always change the revenue weight but not the MAM. So you have a document that says revenue weight 3580kg but MAM which is the maximum you are allowed to run at saying 3500kg

Probably OK in the UK as we go by revenue weight but if you travel abroad its best to have it correct.

No it's not ok, if police pull you over and your over weight, you will be find, it would be up to you to fight that in court and prove other wise, no one should take that chance, those that have this problem with their paper work, do not send the paper work back, just phone them, most of the time it will be engaged, but just persevere, you will get though, clearly tell them the problem, make sure they understand about the F:1 Max.permissible mass, that it needs to be changed because it's not lawful, now you must make sure that they understand this, because most of them don't understand about the F:1, they just look at the Y: Revenue Weight, don't let them go until they understand this, once they do, they will tell you they will alter V5 right away and send you a replacement, no need to send old paper work back, and you will receive the new V5 with in a week. I know this for I have done this 3 times now, for 3 different weights, good luck, and enjoy your tours.

 

[Pausim]

The blue section 1 on the form on the V5C only covers Revenue weight changes but does not it seems cover changes to the Max permissible mass (daft). You need to make a hand correction on the V5C for changes that are not on covered on the form. Even then they can miss it, they did on my application. However I didn’t need to resubmit the V5C, I just raised it on the online complaints and they sent me a new one with both figures changed. See#47.

GOV.UK - Complaints

contact.dvla.gov.uk

 

[nicholsong]

I researched 'Revenue Weight' a while back and it is in UK law basically based on Max Permissible Weight.

This is probably known to UK authorities, but not outside UK as 'Y Revenue Weight' does not appear on other equivalent registration documents.

I think that therefore for anyone travelling outside the UK it is wise to have the F.1 correct.

 

[enark]

After receiving replacement V5 with line Y stating 3700 KGS GROSS, but line F1 stating 3500, I rang the DVLA, spoke to a lady, who passed me to a specialist department, the feller then put me on hold for a while (whilst he spoke to his colleagues?) and he then said, “no problem, a new V 5 will be issued shortly.

I await its arrival…

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[L' Hobo]

I think it means you now as it is a goods vehicle have to carry a motorcycle with you when you go away

Would it not need a tacho etc as he would be carrying something that was not part of a motorhome???

 

[Lyrick]

Posted paperwork for an up plate from 3500Kgs to 3960Kgs to DVLA on 31st of October and received the new V5 today , just over 2 weeks. They even got the MAM right , don't know if it helped but I highlighted the old MAM and wrote 3960 alongside it. Can thoroughly recommend Dee at Vanweight Engineering for a very straight forward job - paperwork only up plate.

Just have to wait for the VED refund now.

Patrick

 

[AlunandFelicie]

Posted paperwork for an up plate from 3500Kgs to 3960Kgs to DVLA on 31st of October and received the new V5 today , just over 2 weeks. They even got the MAM right , don't know if it helped but I highlighted the old MAM and wrote 3960 alongside it. Can thoroughly recommend Dee at Vanweight Engineering for a very straight forward job - paperwork only up plate.

Just have to wait for the VED refund now.

Patrick

How did you get it up to 3960 ,I’ve semi air at the rear 2850 ?

 

[Lyrick]

How did you get it up to 3960 ,I’ve semi air at the rear 2850 ?

I'm assuming you mean 3850 ?

I've 16" alloys and 225/70/16 tyres. On the original weight plate fitted by Rapido the front axle max is 1960 and the rear is 2000. I don't have semi air on the rear.

I supplied all the details - wheelbase ,rear overhang , suspension and brakes etc along with photos of the weight plate and v5 to Vanweight and after the calculations were done I could go to 3960.

I didn't have an issue with the rear axle load just overall weight . I took it to a weighbridge to check.

Patrick

 

[AlunandFelicie]

I'm assuming you mean 3850 ?

I've 16" alloys and 225/70/16 tyres. On the original weight plate fitted by Rapido the front axle max is 1960 and the rear is 2000. I don't have semi air on the rear.

I supplied all the details - wheelbase ,rear overhang , suspension and brakes etc along with photos of the weight plate and v5 to Vanweight and after the calculations were done I could go to 3960.

I didn't have an issue with the rear axle load just overall weight . I took it to a weighbridge to check.

Patrick

Yes 3850

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[3crispies]

Been to a weighbridge today and came in at 3450kgs which was a full tank of fuel and loaded etc but made me think about the above comments. Ours was new in September and we have the revenue weight of 2905kgs gross- no max permissable mass and mass in service of 2780kgs so confused. Looking at raising payload via third party but looks like we will be on the phone to dvla in the new year.
Van is Fiat Ducato based.

 

[Lenny HB]

Been to a weighbridge today and came in at 3450kgs which was a full tank of fuel and loaded etc but made me think about the above comments. Ours was new in September and we have the revenue weight of 2905kgs gross- no max permissable mass and mass in service of 2780kgs so confused. Looking at raising payload via third party but looks like we will be on the phone to dvla in the new year.
Van is Fiat Ducato based.

No way can your revenue weight be 2905, more likely to be 3500kg.

 

[3crispies]

Exactly usual dvla but after reading this made me check and German documents

 

[Pausim]

Exactly usual dvla but after reading this made me check and German documents

Looks like whoever registered the vehicle gave the DVLA the wrong figure. You will need to get this put right because technically you are badly over loaded.

 

[Lenny HB]

13 is the basic MIRO 2780kg.
13.2 is the Technical MIRO which is the MIRO including factory fitted extras 2908kg.

As Pausim you need to get it sorted with DVLA pronto.

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[3crispies]

13 is the basic MIRO 2780kg.
13.2 is the Technical MIRO which is the MIRO including factory fitted extras 2908kg.

As Pausim you need to get it sorted with DVLA pronto.

emailed dealer but as previous will call dvla, what evidence can we send to dvla the knaus one ? thanks in advance

 

[3crispies]

wont comment on which dealer

 

[Lenny HB]

emailed dealer but as previous will call dvla, what evidence can we send to dvla the knaus one ? thanks in advance

The C of C, 16.1 is the MAM (Gross weight) 3500kg.

 

[Phill D]

A photograph of the knaus weight plate.

 

[Hymerboy]

So does anyone know what excl M/C actually mean

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[MalvernWanderer]

In view of my experience over the last couple of days, I thought I would revive this thread (which I only found after I spotted a similar problem on my papers).
I have a Murvi Morocco XL, and with all the extra stuff my wife likes to take along, we were in danger of exceeding the 3.5 tonnes weight even on a short trip. Knowing that we are doing an extended trip to Europe this autumn, back in April I used SV Tech to up-plate to 4 tonnes (which was very quick and easy). I didn't really look at all the different figures on the V5, just the Revenue Weight (the only one you are permitted to apply on the form to change), and when the V5 came back that had been changed to 4 tonnes, so I put the papers away and mentally ticked off that job.

Then in the last day or so I have been going through the detail of registering online for the various EU country toll schemes that require vehicles over 3.5 tonnes to carry transponders, which caused me to look out the V5 again and go through it in detail. That was when I noticed it still had the "Max permissible mass" box showing 3500 KG. Obviously the worry is that (whether or not I am successful in registering for the various transponder schemes), if I get pulled over and weight checked anywhere abroad, they will just look at the "Max permissible mass" figure, see that it is 3,500 kg and fine me and require me to dump stuff until I am below 3.5 tonnes. I understand "Revenue weight" is a purely UK concept, which overseas law enforcers will not recognise.

I called SV Tech, and they told me that just in the last couple of months DVLA have been behaving very oddly, refusing to uprate the Revenue Weight but instead uprating the Maximum Permissible Weight (which of course is good in one way, but means you don't get the tax rebate and benefit of the lower tax rate in future years); but they said that all the UK authorities use the Revenue weight (rather than the max permissible mass) to check whether you are overweight or not, and the ANPR cameras are all linked to that weight (presumably for speed limits or something) - so in the UK at least they didn't think it was a problem. They told me to ring DVLA direct (0300 790 6801). I did, got the endless music and while that was playing I submitted an online complaint using the link in Pausim's post on 28 Oct 2022. A few minutes later, I got through to a lady on the phone who clearly understood the point and said she would send a request through to a caseworker to ask if the Max Permissible Mass can be updated to match the 4,000 kg Revenue weight - but though she promised to mark it as urgent, etc, she could not promise I would get any response before we go away at the end of next week, let alone an updated V5.

So if you think you have up-plated, you might not have done! Whatever else you do, if you are up-plating, you should include in your application letter a request for them to update the Max permissible mass field to the same as your up-plated Revenue weight.

PS, she confirmed that the "m/c" in the maximum permissible mass box does indeed mean motorcycles.

 

[SandKPhillips]

Thought I’d do a 2025 update to this thread, hopefully it will be of some use.

Just got the new V5 back for our Chausson, up-plated to 4000kg. Shows correctly in revenue weight as well as MPM…..we even managed to get the taxation class changed to PHGV.

SVTech did our paperwork and apart from a slight glitch of me forgetting to enclose the cheque for VED as PHGV , everything went through without a hitch.
Perhaps they’ve finally got their act together???