Lidl Wine

[Charente16]

Yesterday bought a bottle of Spanish ‘Vine Yard’ Sauvignon Blanc from Lidl here in France at the extortionate price of 1,75 euro a bottle. Just finished it with lunch and was pleasantly surprised, better than a lot of local AOP wines.

As the wine is shown to be imported into the UK by Lidl GB, I was wondering how much it would cost over there? Certainly the cheapest bottle of wine I have bought in years. Cann’t even remember buying in Spain that cheap.

 

[BreweryDave]

Day drinking Sah?
Well, you’re in the right club aren’t you

 

[IRHP]

Probably 7 or 8 quid.

 

[Millcourt]

Probably 7 or 8 quid.

Probably about right!!!

€1.75 is £1.51 at today’s mid-market exchange rate.
Assuming the wine is (say) 11.5% alcohol, the UK duty rate on a 75cl bottle (from 1/2/25) is £2.95.
Say the extra cost of importing is 50p (?), the total cost becomes £4.96……lets call it £5.
VAT is charged on this total at 20%, resulting in a cost to the consumer in the UK of £6.
However, I suspect Lidl’s operating costs in the UK are higher than in Spain/France (??? Higher minimum wage, Council Business rates, energy costs, increased employer’s NIC etc).
So it is easy to see why we might have to pay £7 or more for the same bottle.

 

[Silver-Fox]

You might be able to go online and look up the price in the uk

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[Millcourt]

You might be able to go online and look up the price in the uk

Not listed on Lidl’s UK website. The cheapest Sauvignon Blanc advertised is South African at £5.99.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Not listed on Lidl’s UK website. The cheapest Sauvignon Blanc advertised is South African at £5.99.

Ahh

Definitely dearer than that at a guess then.

Why do we get ripped off here

 

[Mikey RV]

And costs more in Scotland.

 

[Charente16]

Thanks All for the feed back.

 

[Tea Bag]

Hi.
I am guzzling down Conde Noble vinho tinto ( 1Ltr. 11% Carton was 98cents ) Argus beer 1.28 eur a litre bottle 5.2%..... Lidl Santa Comba dao Portugal
PLEASE do not buy your wines/beers fro Lidl UK !!! Why ?. Supply and Demand,if they sell more over there PRICES HERE WILL RISE HERE ............ Now BEHAVE !!
Tea Bag.

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[ChrisL]

I drink Lidl's Argentinian Malbec, it's £4.95/bottle and very drinkable.

 

[gus-lopez]

Certainly the cheapest bottle of wine I have bought in years. Cann’t even remember buying in Spain that cheap.

Plenty of 1 euro wines in aldi's & Lidl's in France. there are 85c/litre cartons in Aldi's &carrefours here & I took a load of 1,60€/litre cartons from mercadona back for a funster.

 

[Guffy60]

Lots of Lidl wines for less than a fiver and some drinkable whites less than £4 in the city of culture

 

[Barriesimpson]

Day drinking Sah?
Well, you’re in the right club aren’t you

Nothing wrong with day drinking

 

[cyberyacht]

Average is £27 a bottle n board P&O atm. The only comfort I can draw is that it is saving my stock at home of Calais Wine Superstore stuff at around £3.

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[steve69]

A Supermarket comparison TV show recently said that Lidl chardonnay was best of the bunch not bad at 6:49 a bottle I think. I tried a bottle and yes it was nice.

 

[Tea Bag]

Average is £27 a bottle n board P&O atm. The only comfort I can draw is that it is saving my stock at home of Calais Wine Superstore stuff at around £3.

Hi cyberyacht:
Do you or anyone else remember " Eastenders drinks wharehouse Calais " Plenty of room to park,used to go in and fill up the bottom bunk in the cab with Beers wines etc. ( Liked the taste of German Riesling wine (( NOT enough to drink much )) but it was refreshing.
Tea Bag

 

[Nirvanauk]

Any chance of a photo of the label please to see if we can source it.

 

[Imala615]

I like a german medium sweet wine and have bought this every time i go over ,usually from an Aldi at Perl on the border of France/Germany /Luxembourg @ less than €2 a litre bottle, also buy all my spirits in Luxembourg.

 

[TinaLes]

Its so hard for me to understand how German/Mosel "weinguts" can get so excited by the the white wines they produce at every price level. I have been to a few vineyard wine tastings going back over 20 years ago, even did blind tastings and never got inspired by any of them.
I have tried many of the different wines from the Mosel region, all served chilled, some are sweet, some are not so sweet, but they all have one thing in common for me at least, they are so acidic they upset my stomach, I wouldn't even dream of trying even one glass without food.
Hence the reason IMHO the wine producers are called weinguts, translated it should mean Gut Rots.

I much prefer a nice well rounded Red wine like a Burgundy, even a young soft Red, French, Italian or even Chilean/Argentinian Red with my dinner.
Maybe having spent far too much in the past on bottles/cases of Chablis, Sancerre & even Pouilly-Fume and not got excited, its just White wine I don't like.

Unlike The Mrs, she will drink any White or Rose from a bottle or a carton, she is not fussy, so any raffle gifted white wines never go to waste in our house.
Les

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[simsy56]

I bought a cheap wine from aldi, it was so cheap I found a corn plaster in it!

Craig

 

[Tea Bag]

Its so hard for me to understand how German/Mosel "weinguts" can get so excited by the the white wines t

Hi " ....Les: "
Can " Tina " match this. Jennifers Christmas works party . ( Wholesale grocers ) The old New Haven Inn, at the top of the Via Gellia A5012/A515 Ashbourne/Buxton Junction. Fed and watered..... All on one coach back home,two brothers, some dropped of at one house,the others at S's house..... That night at S's, there was a shortage of chairs and glasses.............. Sitting on the floor in a corner of the kitchen ( Corners are cozy !! all trouble is incoming ) I spent till dawn drinking " Southern Comfort " from a Milk saucepan . Never forget THAT Christmas
Tea Bag.

 

[Jo May]

Every Lidl helps. Hic*!*

 

[Charente16]

Plenty of 1 euro wines in aldi's & Lidl's in France. there are 85c/litre cartons in Aldi's &carrefours here & I took a load of 1,60€/litre cartons from mercadona back for a funster.

I no longer buy Box wine whatever the price, end up drinking too much at lunch. I will check the prices of the 'Box' wines when I'm next in Lidl, but even EU 'Cooking Wine' served up in a plastic bottle is 3.29e for 1.5 litre in the supermarket. Fifteen(?) years ago, we used to have a 'Petrol' type pump at the side of the supermarket where you could fill -up your own plastic water bottles with red wine for about 50 Cents a go which was drinkable provided you drank it the same day.

 

[gus-lopez]

ne else remember " Eastenders drinks wharehouse Calais "

Yes .never used it though as I don't drink

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[Lynne Roy]

I drink Lidl's Argentinian Malbec, it's £4.95/bottle and very drinkable.

It’s 2.25 euros in Lidl France, very good wine

 

[gpat]

Ahh

Definitely dearer than that at a guess then.

Why do we get ripped off here

We don't get ripped off. We pay less tax than the French overall. Much less. So, if a bottle of wine costs more, we get more money in our pockets to choose where we spend it. Much fairer system in my opinion.

 

[Millcourt]

We don't get ripped off. We pay less tax than the French overall. Much less. So, if a bottle of wine costs more, we get more money in our pockets to choose where we spend it. Much fairer system in my opinion.

Such comparisons are difficult to make, but it looks as if you are correct gpat from the data I got from trying out the latest iteration of ChatGPT. We really are in the “Information Age” now. This is the “PhD level” dissertation it produced in a couple of seconds……..


Here’s how the total level of taxation compares between the UK and France:

Tax Burden (Tax-to-GDP Ratio)

• France consistently ranks among the highest in the OECD, with a tax-to-GDP ratio of around 46.1% in 2022 . In 2023, reports indicate France’s tax burden remained elevated at approximately 43.8% .
• United Kingdom had a tax-to-GDP ratio of about 35.3% for 2022/23, marking a record high for the UK . Earlier data also showed it at 35.3% in 2022, compared with an OECD average of 34.0% . In 2023, the OECD average held steady at 33.9% , indicating the UK remains notably above average but still well below France.

Put simply:

• France: ~46% of GDP
• UK: ~35% of GDP

France’s tax burden is roughly 10 percentage points higher than the UK’s.


Composition of Tax Revenue
Based on OECD data (2022):

• France:
  • Individual taxes: 21.6%
  • Corporate taxes: 6.3%
  • Social insurance contributions: 32.5%
  • Property taxes: 8%
  • Consumption taxes: 26.5%
  • Others: 5%
• United Kingdom:
  • Individual taxes: 28.8%
  • Corporate taxes: 8.8%
  • Social insurance contributions: 20.1%
  • Property taxes: 11.3%
  • Consumption taxes: 30.6%
  • Others: 0.4%

In essence, compared to the UK, France relies far more on social insurance contributions, while the UK leans more heavily on individual and consumption taxes, and slightly more on property taxes.



Summary Table:

Metric​	France​	United Kingdom​
Tax-to-GDP Ratio (2022–23)	~46%	~35%
Tax Burden Gap		~10 percentage points lower
Social Insurance Taxes	High (ˆ32%)	Lower (ˆ20%)
Individual & Consumption Taxes	Lower individually, notable consumption share	Higher individual & consumption share
Property Taxes	Moderate (ˆ8%)	Higher (ˆ11%)

Bottom Line:

France imposes a significantly higher total tax burden compared to the UK—approximately a 10% difference in tax-to-GDP terms. Their tax systems differ too: France emphasizes social insurance levies, while the UK raises more through direct income, consumption, and property taxes.

 

[Captain Birdseye]

Such comparisons are difficult to make, but it looks as if you are correct gpat from the data I got from trying out the latest iteration of ChatGPT. We really are in the “Information Age” now. This is the “PhD level” dissertation it produced in a couple of seconds……..


Here’s how the total level of taxation compares between the UK and France:

Tax Burden (Tax-to-GDP Ratio)

• France consistently ranks among the highest in the OECD, with a tax-to-GDP ratio of around 46.1% in 2022 . In 2023, reports indicate France’s tax burden remained elevated at approximately 43.8% .
• United Kingdom had a tax-to-GDP ratio of about 35.3% for 2022/23, marking a record high for the UK . Earlier data also showed it at 35.3% in 2022, compared with an OECD average of 34.0% . In 2023, the OECD average held steady at 33.9% , indicating the UK remains notably above average but still well below France.

Put simply:

• France: ~46% of GDP
• UK: ~35% of GDP

France’s tax burden is roughly 10 percentage points higher than the UK’s.


Composition of Tax Revenue
Based on OECD data (2022):

• France:
  • Individual taxes: 21.6%
  • Corporate taxes: 6.3%
  • Social insurance contributions: 32.5%
  • Property taxes: 8%
  • Consumption taxes: 26.5%
  • Others: 5%
• United Kingdom:
  • Individual taxes: 28.8%
  • Corporate taxes: 8.8%
  • Social insurance contributions: 20.1%
  • Property taxes: 11.3%
  • Consumption taxes: 30.6%
  • Others: 0.4%

In essence, compared to the UK, France relies far more on social insurance contributions, while the UK leans more heavily on individual and consumption taxes, and slightly more on property taxes.



Summary Table:

Metric​	France​	United Kingdom​
Tax-to-GDP Ratio (2022–23)	~46%	~35%
Tax Burden Gap		~10 percentage points lower
Social Insurance Taxes	High (ˆ32%)	Lower (ˆ20%)
Individual & Consumption Taxes	Lower individually, notable consumption share	Higher individual & consumption share
Property Taxes	Moderate (ˆ8%)	Higher (ˆ11%)

Bottom Line:

France imposes a significantly higher total tax burden compared to the UK—approximately a 10% difference in tax-to-GDP terms. Their tax systems differ too: France emphasizes social insurance levies, while the UK raises more through direct income, consumption, and property taxes.

Could that be why pensions in France are much higher than in the UK.

 

[nicholsong]

Such comparisons are difficult to make, but it looks as if you are correct gpat from the data I got from trying out the latest iteration of ChatGPT. We really are in the “Information Age” now. This is the “PhD level” dissertation it produced in a couple of seconds……..


Here’s how the total level of taxation compares between the UK and France:

Tax Burden (Tax-to-GDP Ratio)

• France consistently ranks among the highest in the OECD, with a tax-to-GDP ratio of around 46.1% in 2022 . In 2023, reports indicate France’s tax burden remained elevated at approximately 43.8% .
• United Kingdom had a tax-to-GDP ratio of about 35.3% for 2022/23, marking a record high for the UK . Earlier data also showed it at 35.3% in 2022, compared with an OECD average of 34.0% . In 2023, the OECD average held steady at 33.9% , indicating the UK remains notably above average but still well below France.

Put simply:

• France: ~46% of GDP
• UK: ~35% of GDP

France’s tax burden is roughly 10 percentage points higher than the UK’s.


Composition of Tax Revenue
Based on OECD data (2022):

• France:
  • Individual taxes: 21.6%
  • Corporate taxes: 6.3%
  • Social insurance contributions: 32.5%
  • Property taxes: 8%
  • Consumption taxes: 26.5%
  • Others: 5%
• United Kingdom:
  • Individual taxes: 28.8%
  • Corporate taxes: 8.8%
  • Social insurance contributions: 20.1%
  • Property taxes: 11.3%
  • Consumption taxes: 30.6%
  • Others: 0.4%

In essence, compared to the UK, France relies far more on social insurance contributions, while the UK leans more heavily on individual and consumption taxes, and slightly more on property taxes.



Summary Table:

Metric​	France​	United Kingdom​
Tax-to-GDP Ratio (2022–23)	~46%	~35%
Tax Burden Gap		~10 percentage points lower
Social Insurance Taxes	High (ˆ32%)	Lower (ˆ20%)
Individual & Consumption Taxes	Lower individually, notable consumption share	Higher individual & consumption share
Property Taxes	Moderate (ˆ8%)	Higher (ˆ11%)

Bottom Line:

France imposes a significantly higher total tax burden compared to the UK—approximately a 10% difference in tax-to-GDP terms. Their tax systems differ too: France emphasizes social insurance levies, while the UK raises more through direct income, consumption, and property taxes.

Is France the same as UK in that if you are retired, you do not pay social security contributions?

If so, it would seem that one could be better off in France, depending on how much one would pay in consumption tax.

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