Icecrypt Satellite box freezes

[WildBunch]

My sat picture locks up after 20 seconds. I get a perfect picture & sound on initial turn on. But it freezes after approximately 20 seconds. Once frozen it will not change channel etc until restarted. This happens on both Astra & 907.
I am using an Jackson Oyster III dish & a Icecrypt receiver . The dish can find both Astra & 907 without problems. If I use the integral sat receiver in the TV it works perfectly. So this makes me think there is a problem with the Icecyrpt box.
Has any one had the same problem.

 

[Badknee]

The only problems we had were in bad weather. We had pixelated screen and loss of signal information.

 

[WildBunch]

Further to my original post I add the details of the Dish & Satellite receiver I am using.
Dish :Oyster Vision III
Icecrypt S1600CHD SE HD Satellite receiver.
TV : Vision Plus Model VP215TS.

Hitherto (last year) they had been working OK. But now not. It was suggested that the Dish controller needs updating & Jackson have emailed me a set of instructions to update the Oyster unit. The instructions did not work with my version of the Oyster unit.
Also the dish works perfectly fine with the TV's integral Satellite receiver. The only reason I have the Icecrypt unit is it is programmed for both Astra & 907, whereas the TV is not programmed for 907.
I have a bit of a dilemma, as I can get Jackson to look at the system (£75/H) when at Newbury show, or try to fix / replace the Icecrypt unit in the meanwhile.

 

[Jamesh]

Turn the thermostat down ..!

I'll get my coat!

 

[Speve]

I used to have a similar set up with an Jackson icecrypt reciever and never got it to work properly

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[WildBunch]

I used to have a similar set up with an Jackson icecrypt reciever and never got it to work properly

My system has been working fine previously.

 

[Gellyneck]

The Satback system broadcast on Intelsat 907 not intended for public use and is therefore encrypted. Believe it may actually be illegal to decrypt for public use?
Think the coding is changed frequently(?) so your problem may be as a result of a change of this code and your receiver not being able to decode the signal?

 

[Vansflyer]

The Satback system broadcast on Intelsat 907 not intended for public use and is therefore encrypted. Believe it may actually be illegal to decrypt for public use?
Think the coding is changed frequently(?) so your problem may be as a result of a change of this code and your receiver not being able to decode the signal?

Not illegal and the keys haven't been changed in years so that won't be the problem. As discussed many times... if you are a UK resident and pay your Tv licence you are merely watching your "free" Tv channels through another medium. It is no different to you watching BBC In Spain through a Firestick or similar.

Further to my original post I add the details of the Dish & Satellite receiver I am using.
Dish :Oyster Vision III
Icecrypt S1600CHD SE HD Satellite receiver.
TV : Vision Plus Model VP215TS.

Hitherto (last year) they had been working OK. But now not. It was suggested that the Dish controller needs updating & Jackson have emailed me a set of instructions to update the Oyster unit. The instructions did not work with my version of the Oyster unit.
Also the dish works perfectly fine with the TV's integral Satellite receiver. The only reason I have the Icecrypt unit is it is programmed for both Astra & 907, whereas the TV is not programmed for 907.
I have a bit of a dilemma, as I can get Jackson to look at the system (£75/H) when at Newbury show, or try to fix / replace the Icecrypt unit in the meanwhile.

if the sat dish finds the satellite you are looking for it is unlikely to need updating, if it spins aimlessly for minutes on end then you might need to give it some attention.
Are you splitting the sat feed between the Icecrypt and the lounge Tv? If you are remove the splitter and go direct to the Icecrypt, if this fixes it then you know the problem. If it doesn't be sure to check the simple stuff first like the f connection has a long enough centre core etc. Is the Icecrypt in a locker that can get hot? If so move it.... they are generally reliable units so rule the simple stuff out first. Not a chance of the Tv getting the Beeb etc from 901, no facility to enter the keys and likely the tuner wouldn't be up to it either, hence the need for Icecrypt or similar.
Good luck.

 

[Gellyneck]

Not illegal and the keys haven't been changed in years so that won't be the problem. As discussed many times... if you are a UK resident and pay your Tv licence you are merely watching your "free" Tv channels through another medium. It is no different to you watching BBC In Spain through a Firestick or similar.

Think we'll need to agree to disagree on that.

 

[Vansflyer]

Think we'll need to agree to disagree on that.

No problem, always keen to hear another view on why you think it isn't legal?

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[WildBunch]

Hi. Thanks for the above responses.
The basic connections are OK. no known heat issues, no splitter used. As the dish finds both the satellites I can't see that the fault is with the Oyster unit. Also, as the fault occurs on both Astra & 907, it can't be the specific Biss codes used to resolve the 907 signal. Looking on line the S1600CHD box is hard to find either out of stock or discontinued.

 

[Gellyneck]

No problem, always keen to hear another view on why you think it isn't legal?

Whilst BBC \ ITV \ etc broadcast through "normal channels" and as such are free the BBC-SATBACK system (which is only a fallback system for "normal channel" failure \ interuption) is encrypted and as such, along with all other encrypted transmissions, eg Sky it is illegal to decrypt these without the formal consent of the broadcaster. Given the following point I think it would be unlikely the UK broadcasters would be in a position to grant access.

In addition, the UK broadcasters may only have copyright agreements in place with the programme owners for broadcast within the UK and therefore will be in beach of their contracts with them if they permit viewing outwith UK. This is why you can only legally watch iPlayer in UK and why it checks your location when streaming.

Been a while since I explored this but that's my understanding however interested in why you think it is legal?

 

[Vansflyer]

Hi. Thanks for the above responses.
The basic connections are OK. no known heat issues, no splitter used. As the dish finds both the satellites I can't see that the fault is with the Oyster unit. Also, as the fault occurs on both Astra & 907, it can't be the specific Biss codes used to resolve the 907 signal. Looking on line the S1600CHD box is hard to find either out of stock or discontinued.

I agree, if the dish finds the bird then the Oyster is working fine. Last resort is a master reset and reload the software, if that doesn't work this place says some units work the same as the Icecrypt. They have been around since the late 90s so may have a fair steer on things but worth checking for sure. https://www.pulsat.com/search.php?m...=ON&price_from=&price_to=&featured=&shipping=

 

[Gellyneck]

Hi. Thanks for the above responses.
The basic connections are OK. no known heat issues, no splitter used. As the dish finds both the satellites I can't see that the fault is with the Oyster unit. Also, as the fault occurs on both Astra & 907, it can't be the specific Biss codes used to resolve the 907 signal. Looking on line the S1600CHD box is hard to find either out of stock or discontinued.

Believe Icecrypt ceased trading a few years ago.

 

[Vansflyer]

Whilst BBC \ ITV \ etc broadcast through "normal channels" and as such are free the BBC-SATBACK system (which is only a fallback system for "normal channel" failure \ interuption) is encrypted and as such, along with all other encrypted transmissions, eg Sky it is illegal to decrypt these without the formal consent of the broadcaster. Given the following point I think it would be unlikely the UK broadcasters would be in a position to grant access.

In addition, the UK broadcasters may only have copyright agreements in place with the programme owners for broadcast within the UK and therefore will be in beach of their contracts with them if they permit viewing outwith UK. This is why you can only legally watch iPlayer in UK and why it checks your location when streaming.

Been a while since I explored this but that's my understanding however interested in why you think it is legal?

The Satback service is "soft encrypted" for copyright reasons and if they really didn't want it watched it could be very firmly encrypted easily. They also used a very unusual transmission standard, hence it can't be watched on a normal Sat box. Sky is a very different conversation and not comparable as it is a revenue based service for most of its content, however you still see a lot of bars in Spain showing the Sports channels and Sky do very little about it as it is outside of their "rights zone". Hack into Sky in the Uk and they will rightly shut the service down and nail you to a wall... this happened a lot in the late 90s and I don't blame them.
One could argue that as we have paid our Tv licence and live in the Uk they
The BBC etc have granted us right to view their output, and... many phone operators including Vodafone give you a UK IP address when roaming abroad so watching Iplayer etc is just the same as being at home.
One could argue that once we leave these shores we shouldn't watch any UK TV as we are no longer in the "rights zone", extrapolate that to all the European Tv free to air channels (some National broadcasters like France 1,2 etc) and you could say Mr French person and Mr German person shouldn't be watching their native channels whilst in Spain? You could also extend this logic to Mr and Mrs ex pat living in Spain with a 2.4m dish to get UK channels, Astra could have made the footprint much smaller for the UK channels if they wished (just as the original BSB was back in the day) but BBC etc don't wish to upset the zillions of viewers / listeners in Northern France or further down with big dishes. How many times have you heard a "shout out" on Radio 2 sounds of the 80s show "just sitting on the balcony in Ibiza listening to your fab tunes".... Ok maybe just me that listens to that but I think you get my point.
We live in a world of VPN traffic and roaming is the "norm", frankly I doubt the Beeb or any of the others are worried about us watching the service via the Satback option, the "more bums on seats" the better. Download the latest blockbuster from a dodgy website and you can rightfully expect a "cease and desist" order in your mailbox very swiftly. Watching or listening to the BBC through Satback or a Firestick whilst sitting in a chair with a large one "somewhere outside of the Uk" is a pretty safe option IMHO.

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[WildBunch]

I agree, if the dish finds the bird then the Oyster is working fine. Last resort is a master reset and reload the software, if that doesn't work this place says some units work the same as the Icecrypt. They have been around since the late 90s so may have a fair steer on things but worth checking for sure. https://www.pulsat.com/search.php?mode=1&search_query_adv=cryptobox&brand=&category[]=29&searchsubs=ON&price_from=&price_to=&featured=&shipping=

I have spoken to Pulsat, who say that the AB Cryptobox 700 HD mini is a good replacement for the Icecrypt S1600CHD. It can be programmed for 907 & any other Satellite for that matter.
Has anyone used the AB Cryptobox 700 HD mini. If so how did you get on.


I don't want to get involved in the legal discussions, as I am trying resolve a technical fault problem. I think Vansflyer is probably correct & I don't think I will forgo the use of 907, when needed, just in case it maybe illegal.

 

[irnbru]

Hi. Thanks for the above responses.
The basic connections are OK. no known heat issues, no splitter used. As the dish finds both the satellites I can't see that the fault is with the Oyster unit. Also, as the fault occurs on both Astra & 907, it can't be the specific Biss codes used to resolve the 907 signal. Looking on line the S1600CHD box is hard to find either out of stock or discontinued.

I have both a 1700 and 1650 ice crypt box, both been sitting up the loft the last few years. One of them was programmed by the seller for 907 if I remember right. If your not in a rush I will see if I can get a fellow funster to check them out in the next few weeks. Happy to sell one cheap.

 

[Gellyneck]

The Satback service is "soft encrypted" for copyright reasons and if they really didn't want it watched it could be very firmly encrypted easily. They also used a very unusual transmission standard, hence it can't be watched on a normal Sat box. Sky is a very different conversation and not comparable as it is a revenue based service for most of its content, however you still see a lot of bars in Spain showing the Sports channels and Sky do very little about it as it is outside of their "rights zone". Hack into Sky in the Uk and they will rightly shut the service down and nail you to a wall... this happened a lot in the late 90s and I don't blame them.
One could argue that as we have paid our Tv licence and live in the Uk they
The BBC etc have granted us right to view their output, and... many phone operators including Vodafone give you a UK IP address when roaming abroad so watching Iplayer etc is just the same as being at home.
One could argue that once we leave these shores we shouldn't watch any UK TV as we are no longer in the "rights zone", extrapolate that to all the European Tv free to air channels (some National broadcasters like France 1,2 etc) and you could say Mr French person and Mr German person shouldn't be watching their native channels whilst in Spain? You could also extend this logic to Mr and Mrs ex pat living in Spain with a 2.4m dish to get UK channels, Astra could have made the footprint much smaller for the UK channels if they wished (just as the original BSB was back in the day) but BBC etc don't wish to upset the zillions of viewers / listeners in Northern France or further down with big dishes. How many times have you heard a "shout out" on Radio 2 sounds of the 80s show "just sitting on the balcony in Ibiza listening to your fab tunes".... Ok maybe just me that listens to that but I think you get my point.
We live in a world of VPN traffic and roaming is the "norm", frankly I doubt the Beeb or any of the others are worried about us watching the service via the Satback option, the "more bums on seats" the better. Download the latest blockbuster from a dodgy website and you can rightfully expect a "cease and desist" order in your mailbox very swiftly. Watching or listening to the BBC through Satback or a Firestick whilst sitting in a chair with a large one "somewhere outside of the Uk" is a pretty safe option IMHO.

What I take from your response is we agree that it is illegal however the regulations are frequently flouted.

I have no problem with that and if others wish to do so so be it.

So, I stand by my original premiss of it is illegal.