How to generate hydrogen at home.

[ambulancekidd]

I'm still convinced that hydrogen offers a better future than electric vehicles, our ability to generate excess electricity to make the super fuel is greater than ever before & storing electricity is dirty as well as wasteful.
Anyway, I spotted this simple video on YouTube & hope that some forum members will find it informative?

 

[The Wino]

Looks like a bit of fun although it could be something a lot less complicated if slower without the surface area of the washers. Takes me back to chemistry lessons 45 years ago.
We went to a closing down sale at a private school a few years ago they were selling off everything including the dangerous chemicals cupboard in the science lab!

 

[nicholsong]

Once you have made the Hydrogen at home and stored it, then ring your insurance company to check cover for the house insurance!

 

[funflair]

Once you have made the Hydrogen at home and stored it, then ring your insurance company to check cover for the house insurance!

what house? BOOM

 

[Guigsy]

It's easy to make hydrogen. But it's hard to get it up to a pressure that makes it useful for storage. And a lot of energy is lost in the conversion to hydrogen and then again when it's consumed, whereas batteries are very efficient. So hydrogen vehicles get much worse km/kW compared to battery EVs. So unless you've got a massive electricity surplus, hydrogen doesn't make sense for a lot of cases.

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[SpeedyDux]

It's easy to make hydrogen. But it's hard to get it up to a pressure that makes it useful for storage. And a lot of energy is lost in the conversion to hydrogen and then again when it's consumed, whereas batteries are very efficient. So hydrogen vehicles get much worse km/kW compared to battery EVs. So unless you've got a massive electricity surplus, hydrogen doesn't make sense for a lot of cases.

Not aimed at you, but inspired by the bit I highlighted.

First, assume you have a massive electricity surplus. Next, ban sales of fossil fuel engine cars and vans from 2030. Followed by fossil fuel powered lorries. Gonna work ... yeah, riight.

Apparently, the MoD, aiming for net zero CO2 is planning plug-in armoured vehicles. Hmmm ... have they thought this through ... Putin will be [waving the white flag] [scrapping diesel fighting vehicles] [insert other option] ... ?

The most recent 5th gear episode on TV the other night reviewed the Toyota Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car. Yippee - there's 12 hydrogen fuel stations now in the UK! A start. But only a small beginning. Will this catch on?

 

[glenn2926]

Not aimed at you, but inspired by the bit I highlighted.

First, assume you have a massive electricity surplus. Next, ban sales of fossil fuel engine cars and vans from 2030. Followed by fossil fuel powered lorries. Gonna work ... yeah, riight.

Apparently, the MoD, aiming for net zero CO2 is planning plug-in armoured vehicles. Hmmm ... have they thought this through ... Putin will be [waving the white flag] [scrapping diesel fighting vehicles] [insert other option] ... ?

The most recent 5th gear episode on TV the other night reviewed the Toyota Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car. Yippee - there's 12 hydrogen fuel stations now in the UK! A start. But only a small beginning. Will this catch on?

Hopefully it will catch on. I don’t want to be dependent on only one source of fuel. That would be worse than putting all ones eggs in one basket. It would also give far too much power to the generating company’s.

 

[The Wino]

Hopefully it will catch on. I don’t want to be dependent on only one source of fuel. That would be worse than putting all ones eggs in one basket. It would also give far too much power to the generating company’s.

Haven't we been dependant on the oil companies for almost all our transport for the past 70 years or so?. In a way electicity is a better thing to be dependent on there are several methods of generation

 

[The Old Man]

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WW2 Gas Powered car.

 

[Guigsy]

Hydrogen is generally made using electricity. And isn't actually a very efficient way to store the energy either. So you need a bigger electricity surplus than if you just used batteries.

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[Coolcats]

It's easy to make hydrogen. But it's hard to get it up to a pressure that makes it useful for storage. And a lot of energy is lost in the conversion to hydrogen and then again when it's consumed, whereas batteries are very efficient. So hydrogen vehicles get much worse km/kW compared to battery EVs. So unless you've got a massive electricity surplus, hydrogen doesn't make sense for a lot of cases.

Exactly this I can make hydrogen it’s not difficult we even did this back on the old days at school.

 

[Gromett]

Hydrogen is generally made using electricity

Not correct sorry to say, Hydrogen is currently made pretty much exclusively using steam reformation of methane (natural gas). 0.03% of current hydrogen needs are met by electrolysis and for very good reason. The round trip cost of hydrolysis is abysmal.

 

[The Wino]

Exactly this I can make hydrogen it’s not difficult we even did this back on the old days at school.

We did too strictly speaking the generator in the op generates a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen so probably an even dodgier mix than hydrogen alone

 

[Coolcats]

Not correct sorry to say, Hydrogen is currently made pretty much exclusively using steam reformation of methane (natural gas). 0.03% of current hydrogen needs are met by electrolysis and for very good reason. The round trip cost of hydrolysis is abysmal.

In the mean time and on a positive note

UK government launches plan for a world-leading hydrogen economy​

 

[SpeedyDux]

In the mean time and on a positive note

UK government launches plan for a world-leading hydrogen economy​

Three small cheers!

Having read that piece from the Gov website, it rather gives the impression that the amounts that are on offer are relatively trivial compared with current subsidies for renewable electric energy. A bit half-hearted if you chop away the spin and puff. There's a lot of "could" and hoping this hydrogen technology will be supplied by the private sector, albeit on a relatively modest scale; instead of mandatory targets for hydrogen energy, and there is a lack of generous incentives to attract big players to invest on a grand scale. It's a shame. The UK is still putting too many eggs in the renewable wind and solar basket. Not enough investment in new nuclear generation either.

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[Coolcats]

Three small cheers!

Having read that piece from the Gov website, it rather gives the impression that the amounts that are on offer are relatively trivial compared with current subsidies for renewable electric energy. A bit half-hearted if you chop away the spin and puff. There's a lot of "could" and hoping this hydrogen technology will be supplied by the private sector, albeit on a relatively modest scale; instead of mandatory targets for hydrogen energy, and there is a lack of generous incentives to attract big players to invest on a grand scale. It's a shame. The UK is still putting too many eggs in the renewable wind and solar basket. Not enough investment in new nuclear generation either.

Agree with you, I do think Hydrogen will emerge as a viable energy source and also think electricity/battery is seen as an easy solution.

 

[sonar]

Making methane is easier uses the basics. Beans. Sprouts …..The list goes on and on.

 

[jockaneezer]

In a way electicity is a better thing to be dependent on there are several methods of generation

Plenty of ways to generate it, but as the recent storms have shown, the distribution network could do with a rethink ?

 

[glenn2926]

Haven't we been dependant on the oil companies for almost all our transport for the past 70 years or so?. In a way electicity is a better thing to be dependent on there are several methods of generation

Not really, we’ve had oil, diesel, petrol, electric, LPG etc. To then be dependent on just one supplier. Hmm, not really a fan of being dependent on just one supplier. There are a few even on here that seem to think electric is the only future. Why? I don’t know. We need alternative sources of energy, not just one.

 

[TheBig1]

We, purely by chance, have invented an extremely efficient methane generator. Feed excess cooked sprouts to our staffies and they expel large quantities of methane

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[Potty]

To see what can be done re hydrogen, Google hydrogen Orkney - surplus wind produced electricity is being used to produce hydrogen to run vehicles, including a ferry and soon an airplane.

 

[Vikdikdok]

Steam power ? Think of the Stanley Steamer

 

[Coolcats]

To see what can be done re hydrogen, Google hydrogen Orkney - surplus wind produced electricity is being used to produce hydrogen to run vehicles, including a ferry and soon an airplane.

Looks good, I see they also had some funding from the EU sometimes it takes vision Money and the will to give something a go and looks like they are doing some very positive stuff

https://www.orkney.gov.uk/Files/Strategic_Projects/Hydrogen%20projects/Hydrogen%20strategy.pdf

 

[Wildbill]

If Mr potine turns off the gas were fxxxxx any way
Bill

 

[Gromett]

Hydrogen loses when in direct competition with batteries.

City cancels order of 50 hydrogen buses after realizing electric buses make so much more sense

The City of Montpellier confirmed that it canceled an order for 50 hydrogen fuel cell buses after realizing that it...

electrek.co

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[Coolcats]

Hydrogen loses when in direct competition with batteries.

City cancels order of 50 hydrogen buses after realizing electric buses make so much more sense

The City of Montpellier confirmed that it canceled an order for 50 hydrogen fuel cell buses after realizing that it...

electrek.co

Not surprising given the current situation where bus services are under threat.

 

[Gromett]

Not surprising given the current situation where bus services are under threat.

Not surprising? Thought you said buses were one of the best targets for hydrogen?

No mention of the bus service being under threat either. This is their motivation and what I have been saying about hydrogen for a while.

While the city might have been able to purchase the hydrogen buses for less money, they calculated that the cost of operation would be 0.95 euros ($1.08 USD) per km for hydrogen buses compared to 0.15 euros ($0.17 USD) per km for the battery-electric ones.

 

[Gromett]

Amazing that they didn't choose a Hydrogen train for this purpose. Haulling MASSIVE loads pretty long distances? No way a battery train could do that, could it Coolcats

World's second largest mining corporation orders four Wabtec battery-electric locomotives

Wabtec announced that mining company Rio Tinto placed an order for four of its FLXdrive battery-electric locomotives to reduce its emissions.

electrek.co

 

[Coolcats]

Amazing that they didn't choose a Hydrogen train for this purpose. Haulling MASSIVE loads pretty long distances? No way a battery train could do that, could it Coolcats

World's second largest mining corporation orders four Wabtec battery-electric locomotives

Wabtec announced that mining company Rio Tinto placed an order for four of its FLXdrive battery-electric locomotives to reduce its emissions.

electrek.co

Bus services in England face axe as end to emergency Covid funding looms​

Ministers urged to extend grants as funding gap and driver shortages prompt operators to draft list of route cuts

So when you consider all technology is politically shaped and given the current state of the economy why wouldn't something like you have posted highlight cancelations to orders and other cuts.

Hydrogen will happen Gromett

 

[Gromett]

Bus services in England face axe as end to emergency Covid funding looms​

Ministers urged to extend grants as funding gap and driver shortages prompt operators to draft list of route cuts

So when you consider all technology is politically shaped and given the current state of the economy why wouldn't something like you have posted highlight cancelations to orders and other cuts.

Hydrogen will happen Gromett

1st what have bus cuts got to do with choosing between hydrogen and batteries for a service that hasn't been cut.
The cancellation I linked had nothing to do with cuts, it was to do with operational costs.

Hydrogen will happen Coolcats, just not in transport

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