Hab door security (1 Viewer)

[headlight]

I have a 2006 Swift Suntor 590RL.
I have additional dead locks on my cab doors plus I ratchet strap the doors together.
My hab door however only has the converters FAP door lock.
I am looking for suggestions for an additional external security device that I could fit to the hab door to make it harder to be opened from the outside.

 

[Brianmor]

I've fitted a Milenco lock which locks from inside or outside for convenient extra security

 

[headlight]

Do you have link to what you've fitted ?
The Milenco hab door locks I've seen won't fit as there is not enough room (width) at the side of the hab door due to the internal layout.

 

[Brianmor]

Security Door Lock - Milenco, Europe's leading manufacturer of award winning caravan products

you can fit the lock horizontally or vertically

 

[headlight]

That's the one I've seen and unfortunately I don't think it would fit.

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[eurajohn]

This one is very good, made in France Link but they are available in UK http://www.abacusmotorhomes.co.uk/

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

It's a bit of a double edged sword issue, whilst fitting additional security seems a no brainer, where do you stop.
For peace of mind it's a good idea, [ I have several Milenco's also fitted ] and they may well act as a deterrent to the more casual chancer. However, seasoned habitual thieves will know all a vans weak spots, [ it's their business to know their not stupid people, just lazy] and they will exploit those areas for their own gain.
You need about 75mm of free wall on the inside to fit these type of locks. A backing plate inside also helps spread the load, [ or increase the damage if the van is attacked by a determined thief ! ].
Speak to Milenco giving them your vans make and model, they will have sold locks to fit that van.
Mike

 

[ontheroadagain]

I keep thinking about fitting these but then think what is the point on a van with plastic windows.

 

[Two on Tour]

Personally I don't the likes of the Fiamma and Milenco external hab door locks as they tell a would-be thief that your van is unoccupied.
I fitted a HOESafe 1958 deadlock that can be locked from both outside and inside of your van, so giving you extra night time security as well.

https://www.campervanstuff.com/shop_stuff/index.php?mod=product&id_prd=129381

 

[headlight]

This one is very good, made in France Link but they are available in UK http://www.abacusmotorhomes.co.uk/

That link appears to be for van hire and sales. I can't see any locks ?

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[headlight]

It's a bit of a double edged sword issue, whilst fitting additional security seems a no brainer, where do you stop.
For peace of mind it's a good idea, [ I have several Milenco's also fitted ] and they may well act as a deterrent to the more casual chancer. However, seasoned habitual thieves will know all a vans weak spots, [ it's their business to know their not stupid people, just lazy] and they will exploit those areas for their own gain.
You need about 75mm of free wall on the inside to fit these type of locks. A backing plate inside also helps spread the load, [ or increase the damage if the van is attacked by a determined thief ! ].
Speak to Milenco giving them your vans make and model, they will have sold locks to fit that van.
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Yes I haven't got the inside wall space required unfortunately.

 

[Two on Tour]

I keep thinking about fitting these but then think what is the point on a van with plastic windows.

We have "Lock M Out" window locks on our plastic windows plus they are alarmed which will go off if there is more than 3mm deflection if someone tries pulling them open.

 

[Two on Tour]

Yes I haven't got the inside wall space required unfortunately.

The HEOSafe locks internally against the door frame.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Personally I don't the likes of the Fiamma and Milenco external hab door locks as they tell a would-be thief that your van is unoccupied.
I fitted a HOESafe 1958 deadlock that can be locked from both outside and inside of your van, so giving you extra night time security as well.

https://www.campervanstuff.com/shop_stuff/index.php?mod=product&id_prd=129381

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The Milenco lock I have can be locked from the inside as well, simply a thumb turn operation. I imagine others are similar.
The through the door one looks ideal for the O.P.s requirements with no inside wall space to be exploited.
Mike.

 

[headlight]

The HEOSafe locks internally against the door frame.
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The HEOSafe locks internally against the door frame.
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Now you've posted that internal picture it looks like it may fit. How would you go about fitting that on a hab door with a flyscreen ?

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[Two on Tour]

Now you've posted that internal picture it looks like it may fit. How would you go about fitting that on a hab door with a flyscreen ?

Your flyscreen should slide from the hinge side of your hab door so will be nowhere near the lockside with your door closed.
Nothing is fitted to the doorframe as it's only the lock bolt that slides out against your doorframe.

Here are some photos that I have just taken of our lock to hopefully give you a better idea of it in situ on our Elddis Autoquest 175.

 

[headlight]

I've just measured the internal wall space and I have 40mm.
My fly screen is hinged same as the hab door so when the door is shut it is against the inside of the door and obviously covers the whole of the door.

 

[Two on Tour]

I've just measured the internal wall space and I have 40mm.
My fly screen is hinged same as the hab door so when the door is shut it is against the inside of the door and obviously covers the whole of the door.

Oh well, that's that idea out of the window then.

 

[headlight]

Oh well, that's that idea out of the window then.

Yes if it wasn't for the flyscreen that lock would have been ideal and would be an extra level of security both when we're away from the vehicle and when we're in it.

 

[Revolvor]

Yes if it wasn't for the flyscreen that lock would have been ideal and would be an extra level of security both when we're away from the vehicle and when we're in it.

How thick is the flyscreen? Could you put the supplied spacers so the latch holds the flyscreen in place too?

From the website:

Five spacer plates are included with the lock (thickness: 3 x 2 mm, 2 x 8 mm) which allow variable adjustment between 2 and 22 mm). With the spacer plates the distance between the door frame and door can be adjusted so that the expansion space between the lock bar and interior door frame remains about 2 mm.

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[Two on Tour]

Your best option then might be to go for the Fiamma door frame lock which does not require any fixings inside your van.

FIAMMA SAFE DOOR FRAME HIGH SECURITY LOCK FOR CARAVAN & MOTORHOME WHITE 08022-01 | eBay

The Fiamma Safe Door features a new design with a revised barrel and key for improved security and ease of use. Fiamma Safe Door Security Lock Features It's also available in either white, black or grey.

www.ebay.co.uk

Here's some info on how it's fitted.

 

[headlight]

Wouldn't that mean that the flyscreen was permanently attached to the door meaning it couldn't be used ?

 

[Lenny HB]

This one is very good, made in France Link but they are available in UK http://www.abacusmotorhomes.co.uk/

I think you mean Abus, The Heo Safe ones are Abus.

 

[IRHP]

I keep thinking about fitting these but then think what is the point on a van with plastic windows.

Having just dismantled a roof light for cleaning I have to agree. I could pull it off with my hand if I had to.

 

[headlight]

Thanks for the suggestions I've just ordered the Fiamma Safe Door Frame lock.
I think I'll need to cut down the part that fits onto the door frame and drill new holes to fit it but it should work.

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[eurajohn]

I think you mean Abus, The Heo Safe ones are Abus.

No if you check the first link which is the manufacturers one that will give details of the product, the second one you quote is the UK stockist listed by the manufacturer.

 

[eurajohn]

That link appears to be for van hire and sales. I can't see any locks ?

Click the first link it's the manufacturers site, shows all their products and if you then go to the bottom right of the page click the "list of resellers" , have to admit I didn't look at the UK one just copied and used the link address.

 

[eurajohn]

Thanks for the suggestions I've just ordered the Fiamma Safe Door Frame lock.
I think I'll need to cut down the part that fits onto the door frame and drill new holes to fit it but it should work.

Only problem with those is you cannot safely use them when you are in the van, the IMC one can and does not rely on the security of some screws to secure it to the frame.
I have no association with the company but have bought at full price the locks for my last three vans.
The pictures show the operating handle in open and locked position on my current A class, the do not rely on any part of the frame, door or fly screen to operate.

 

[headlight]

Only problem with those is you cannot safely use them when you are in the van, the IMC one can and does not rely on the security of some screws to secure it to the frame.
I have no association with the company but have bought at full price the locks for my last three vans.
The pictures show the operating handle in open and locked position on my current A class, the do not rely on any part of the frame, door or fly screen to operate.

According to Fiamma you lock it in the open position so why are they not safe to use when you're in the van ?

 

[Emmit]

Personally I don't the likes of the Fiamma and Milenco external hab door locks as they tell a would-be thief that your van is unoccupied.
I fitted a HOESafe 1958 deadlock that can be locked from both outside and inside of your van, so giving you extra night time security as well.

https://www.campervanstuff.com/shop_stuff/index.php?mod=product&id_prd=129381

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A 'Would be thief' might get one hell of a surprise to assume our van is unoccupied
when our Milenco lock is in the 'On' position.

The Milenco lock is lockable from the INSIDE as well as the outside.