Government to ban old tyres on heavy vehicles.

[ambulancekidd]

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[XxAnthxX]

There’s been talk of this for a long time......but better late than never, looking at the number of incidents attributed to old tyres.

 

[Ivory55]

Also I think it’s retreads not allowed on front steer axel as well.

 

[Coolcats]

Should really apply to all vehicles a tyre is the only thing that keeps you connected with the ground once micro cracks appear or the tyre starts to harden, they are degrading, I always change my tyres one set in one of my vehicles which is not used much had 6mm tread depth and about 7 years old. It just makes sense to keep your tyres on good condition whatever vehicle it is.

 

[Scotsblood]

Be interesting to see if a corresponding ban on sales of tyres 'out of date' is proposed, bet its not!
Retailers should however 'step up' and start quoting the 'change by' date of any tyre sold to enable us to understand the stock age.

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[nicholsong]

Be interesting to see if a corresponding ban on sales of tyres 'out of date' is proposed, bet its not!
Retailers should however 'step up' and start quoting the 'change by' date of any tyre sold to enable us to understand the stock age.

The month and year of manufacture is embossed on the tyre wall, so one can work out the stock age to date of purchase.

Geoff

 

[Steve and Denise]

As the great Burt Munroe would say fill the cracks with boot polish

 

[Rapido925M]

Does anyone know how this affects foreign trucks?

Do other countries have age-of-tyre rules?
Does a truck have to conform to "country of origin" rules or "country of use" rules?
Given that we are able to use our vehicles in EU under UK rules until 2021, is the situation likely to change next year?

TIA - Gordon

 

[Tea Bag]

Hi.
Early 60's Mr Dennis P. would NOT allow " Retreads" on the front axle...and at the time he had a cash flow problem,but after the first of the month New tyres on the front where needed. He was a Proper man,there was a strike/whatever going on and the work dried up,as long as you turned up at the garage and put in 8hrs,you got paid. I have sanded down vehicles for the paint shop (Johnny A ),assisted fitters in the bays and climbed about in the roof,cleaning off the dust of ages collected in the rafters.... But he kept us busy and money in our pockets.
Tea Bag.
Ps, Tyre men.. Was it a " Michelin Re-Mix " That would outlast the new ones in those days ? Some of the early " Far eastern tyres were made out of " Bakelite " ( Seemed so when you braked in the wet.. )

 

[Scotsblood]

The month and year of manufacture is embossed on the tyre wall, so one can work out the stock age to date of purchase.
Geoff

Quite true but do you get to inspect that before fitting?
I have never had the offer of inspection and given the H&S aspects of customers in workshops I'm not sure many tyre fitters would be happy to promote that!

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[2x2camper]

Quite true but do you get to inspect that before fitting?
I have never had the offer of inspection and given the H&S aspects of customers in workshops I'm not sure many tyre fitters would be happy to promote that!

But you could insist that they will only get a sale if the tyres are within a certain date.

 

[Scotsblood]

But you could insist that they will only get a sale if the tyres are within a certain date.

So let's get retailers to do it up front and it become standard practice.

 

[2657]

I don't think age is a problem with most commercial trucks, the legislation is for tyres more than 10 years old, and then only on the steered axle, and I doubt that there are many commercially used trucks that would be on the same set of tyres for 10 years.

Coaches and show trucks are a different matter and it was an accident with a coach and subsequent lobbying that has brought about this new legislation.

 

[Brains]

I don't think age is a problem with most commercial trucks, the legislation is for tyres more than 10 years old, and then only on the steered axle, and I doubt that there are many commercially used trucks that would be on the same set of tyres for 10 years.

Coaches and show trucks are a different matter and it was an accident with a coach and subsequent lobbying that has brought about this new legislation.

Out of interest, why would commercial coaches be any different to commercial trucks ?
In both cases you would expect the Transport Manager to be responsible for routine maintenance.

As we know it was the fatality caused by a 20 year old spare tyre on a coach that caused the new rules, but there was also a recent case where the brakes failed on a tipper truck, where it was known that the brakes were faulty
Tipper Truck Crash

It's all down to having a decent Transport Manager in place with the ability to pull vehicles out of the fleet that can not be over ruled by the boss or commercial considerations.

Unfortunately in many cases the Boss / Commercial considerations overrules the safety aspect.

 

[Ivory55]

The way I read it was trucks would do more miles not that they was different. Most firms have tyres on contract and in that are given a tyres report every X amount of weeks. A transport manager is never going to go out and check motors, that’s delegated down

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[g3cwi]

Just changed three perfectly good 7 year old tyres. But were they actually perfectly good? Broke my heart (nearly).

 

[pappajohn]

It says in the link that retread must be date stamped at the date of recutting..... WHY?
The tyres original date should over-ride any future dates regardless.
The only way that would apply is if the recut had a pre-determined expiry date (say 4 years) within, and over-riding, the tyres original date

 

[2657]

Out of interest, why would commercial coaches be any different to commercial trucks ?
In both cases you would expect the Transport Manager to be responsible for routine maintenance.

As we know it was the fatality caused by a 20 year old spare tyre on a coach that caused the new rules, but there was also a recent case where the brakes failed on a tipper truck, where it was known that the brakes were faulty
Tipper Truck Crash

It's all down to having a decent Transport Manager in place with the ability to pull vehicles out of the fleet that can not be over ruled by the boss or commercial considerations.

Unfortunately in many cases the Boss / Commercial considerations overrules the safety aspect.

I agree with the maintenance rules for commercial vehicles, including coaches, being adhered to but as in all walks of life some will try and flout the rules.

I have no experience of operating coaches but have operated trucks for 35 years, my truck has a six weekly safety inspection carried out at an agreed and approved DVSA workshop plus annual tests and roadside spot checks.

In the case of the coach crash the tyres either had no visible defects or the safety checks were not carried out properly, the tipper crash has no bearing on the issue of tyres.

Most commercially operated trucks do relatively high mileages and tyres are replaced regularly because of wear, many coaches do not do high mileages due to the intermittent and often seasonal nature of the business thus tyres do not wear out at the same rate but are still subject to the ageing process.

There should be no difference to the standard of maintenance for any commercial vehicle, I hope that the explanation above about the difference in use between trucks and coaches explains why ageing tyres are more likely to be a problem on coaches than trucks.

 

[Ivory55]

A bit like the tankers that deliver central heating oil. If you go past the yard at chaterris they are all parked up and boxed in tight in the yard for the summer. Only come out for 6 months and they advertise for the drivers on a 6 month contract for the winter. Their tyres must last ages.

 

[tacr2man]

from the way I read it no relevance to motorcaravans . HGVs , buses(coaches) and minibuses

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[addoaddo]

This could apply to heaver motorhomes as they are taxed as "Private HGV". They consider anything over 3.5T as HGV. On the other hand I think it is a sensible idea and would not like to be using older tires anywhere.

 

[mike mcglynn]

What about the tyres on a plane does the flight engineer /pilot check them or are they done on an age basis ?.

 

[Ivory55]

What about the tyres on a plane does the flight engineer /pilot check them or are they done on an age basis ?.

I would think it’s like hgv , they might do a visual but a more in depth check would be done by the tyre guys. Then they sign them off and they have some one to blame. Like on hgv the check is done and signed and the transport manager puts it on file in case anything happens and covers his backside.

 

[Ukeman]

Seven year old tyre off my 2013 Pilote. Plenty of meat but not to be trusted ......can you see the cracked wall ?

Replacing immediately. Al

 

[Odd-no-more]

It says in the link that retread must be date stamped at the date of recutting..... WHY?
The tyres original date should over-ride any future dates regardless.
The only way that would apply is if the recut had a pre-determined expiry date (say 4 years) within, and over-riding, the tyres original date

Like most legislation the government manage to f#*k it up. The in house lawyers like a lot of unnecessary detail, it creates work for the legal profession.

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[pappajohn]

My 7500kg RV had just 38000miles on the clock.
Running on 19.5" truck tyres. Very little wear and no visible damage...... They were as old as the RV..... 19 years old.

 

[Odd-no-more]

What about the tyres on a plane does the flight engineer /pilot check them or are they done on an age basis ?.

I think the tyres on a plane wear out very quickly, the forces they deal with are excessive

 

[Coolcats]

Does anyone know how this affects foreign trucks?

Do other countries have age-of-tyre rules?
Does a truck have to conform to "country of origin" rules or "country of use" rules?
Given that we are able to use our vehicles in EU under UK rules until 2021, is the situation likely to change next year?

TIA - Gordon

Maybe not but then again the penalty should be punitive if an accident happens.

 

[Odd-no-more]

My 7500kg RV had just 38000miles on the clock.
Running on 19.5" truck tyres. Very little wear and no visible damage...... They were as old as the RV..... 19 years old.

I replaced all 5 tyres on the moho at 10 years old as recommended on the Continental website. They look like new, bit I knew the were not,and I value my life over £500

 

[Coolcats]

My 7500kg RV had just 38000miles on the clock.
Running on 19.5" truck tyres. Very little wear and no visible damage...... They were as old as the RV..... 19 years old.

................Those RV tyres are not immune from degradation it would be wise to change them ( in my opinion )

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