Europe Street news item- dont know how it will affect anyone on here ?

[Kirsten]

UK ditches healthcare coverage for pensioners moving to EU after Brexit transition
The draft negotiating text on the future relationship with the EU published in May also cuts social security benefits for people who move between the UK and the EU from next year. These benefits include the possibility to receive carer allowances or to aggregate periods of contributions to be entitled to unemployment allowances.

The proposals concern only people who will move between the UK and the EU after the Brexit transition period, which ends on December 31st, 2020. EU nationals in the UK and British nationals in the EU before that date, and their family members, are protected by the withdrawal agreement and will continue to benefit from the current system. Separate rules, similar to the EU’s, also apply to people moving between the UK and Ireland.

 

[Lynne Roy]

Absolutely disgusting, people will have paid into the system and then when they retire to warmer climes they are denied

 

[9526]

Turkeys voting for Christmas

 

[LesW]

Here we go...

 

[pinkthelilly]

Now we are out, if you move to another country in the EU you are emigrating, so look to your new utopia for your benefits.

This ends those straddling the channel with a foot hold in each country, cherrypicking. Emigrate or don't. But if you go, stop moaning you don't live here any more, we're not interested.

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[The Wino]

I wonder how long the commitment to people already there will last when the coffers empty?

 

[Coolcats]

Absolutely disgusting, people will have paid into the system and then when they retire to warmer climes they are denied

Why discusting? It’s what people voted for and when we crash out it’s the end of the relationship as was voted for, there is no argument or disgust to be had. Uk citizens pay in to its state pension and health service and always has done.

 

[Speve]

I don’t think you should be worrying quite yet it’s only a proposal and may never happen afraid you’ll just have to wait until it’s all finalised or not?

 

[gus-lopez]

so look to your new utopia for your benefits.

It isn't a benefit if you've paid in all your life,just like the state pension.

I wonder how long the commitment to people already there will last when the coffers empty?

I wonder how they will like a million + returnee's?

cherrypicking. Emigrate or don't.

I take it you live where you were born?

 

[pinkthelilly]

I wonder how they will like a million + returnee's?

They would love it, spending their benefits here. Especially them cafes that serve all day breakfasts, and any restaurant that has a picture menu, when the majority of ex-pats return those places will boom

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[Coolcats]

I wonder how long the commitment to people already there will last when the coffers empty?

Standby your triple lock pensions can’t see these lasting either

 

[Skez]

This ends those straddling the channel with a foot hold in each country, cherrypicking.

And exactly what was wrong with being able to do that - choice and freedom is what has suffered.

This ends those straddling the channel with a foot hold in each country, cherrypicking. Emigrate or don't. But if you go, stop moaning you don't live here any more, we're not interested.

As I said - choice is what has suffered. If it's your choice to remain entirely UK based I respect that, so don't denigrate others who would wish to split their time between the UK and (say) France.

 

[SMB]

They would love it, spending their benefits here. Especially them cafes that serve all day breakfasts, and any restaurant that has a picture menu, when the majority of ex-pats return those places will boom

As already mentioned it's an entitlement, not a benefit, from contributions paid whilst living in this country. As for your comments about all day breakfasts etc I find that quite insulting to people like my parents who moved to Spain many years ago after working hard all of their lives. There's nothing wrong with wanting to live in a different country for whatever reason they want.

 

[Puddleduck]

It isn't a benefit if you've paid in all your life,just like the state pension.

You can pay in all your life and still get sh***ted. Ask people who had pensions with companies who went bust or the WASPI women.

Just because you pay in for years doesn't mean the rules won't change and you end up with nothing no matter where you live.

 

[jessthedog]

I think it would be unfair to change any benefits that people get now, if they live in Europe. Unless those same benefits are changed here as well, but if anyone decides to move to Europe after the transition, they should make themselves aware of any changes and decide on those factors, before making the move.
Its the same with the old age pension. If you emigrate to the USA your pension is index linked, if you go to Canada, NZ and Australia, popular countries for Brits, it is frozen.

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[SMB]

You can pay in all your life and still get sh***ted. Ask people who had pensions with companies who went bust or the WASPI women.

Just because you pay in for years doesn't mean the rules won't change and you end up with nothing no matter where you live.

I know what you mean, my mam lost her winter fuel allowance in Spain which the government were all too happy to get rid of after the usual predictable comments in the national rags. What some people don't realise is that it gets cold in Spain as well and after 20+ years living there she is acclimatised and has the heating on a lot in winter. She didn't complain when it was withdrawn as she didn't really need it financially but some people do.

 

[Tribbtravs]

They probably wont be able to afford to live in mainland Europe after the pound is shorted to that of an emerging market currency. According to the FT the Bank of America analysts say Brexit has turned it into a mirror of the small and shrinking UK economy.

 

[Lynne Roy]

You can pay in all your life and still get sh***ted. Ask people who had pensions with companies who went bust or the WASPI women.

Just because you pay in for years doesn't mean the rules won't change and you end up with nothing no matter where you live.

I am one of the Waspi Women unfortunately, £48k out of pocket,

 

[Camdoon]

We are leaving.
"the UK does not want to refer to the EU Court for Justice for the resolution of disputes."

 

[138go]

You can pay in all your life and still get sh***ted. Ask people who had pensions with companies who went bust or the WASPI women.

Just because you pay in for years doesn't mean the rules won't change and you end up with nothing no matter where you live.

That’s so true, I am a WASPI woman!

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[Brains]

This was widely predicted to happen way before the Brexit vote, but was shouted down as 'Project Fear'

The Brexit negotiations must be the only ones in history where one side is actually trying to make a worse deal than the one they have now.

It's a bit like having a world cup team in overtime of the final, and half of the team are actually trying to score own goals.

Still, it's what half the the crowd voted for. Reap what you sow. It's about to get a lot worse.

 

[Tykatem]

Oh really!

Pete

 

[Tribbtravs]

This was widely predicted to happen way before the Brexit vote, but was shouted down as 'Project Fear'

The Brexit negotiations must be the only ones in history where one side is actually trying to make a worse deal than the one they have now.

It's a bit like having a world cup team in overtime of the final, and half of the team are actually trying to score own goals.

Still, it's what half the the crowd voted for. Reap what you sow. It's about to get a lot worse.

And that half of the crowd will blame the other side for winning and not playing fair. At what point I wonder will people realise they are not getting their cake and eating it.

 

[busby]

Nothing yet decided on any issues,,Its all sparring,,Why get argumentative until the deal is done.BUSBY..

 

[dunnah01]

This was widely predicted to happen way before the Brexit vote, but was shouted down as 'Project Fear'

The Brexit negotiations must be the only ones in history where one side is actually trying to make a worse deal than the one they have now.

It's a bit like having a world cup team in overtime of the final, and half of the team are actually trying to score own goals.

Still, it's what half the the crowd voted for. Reap what you sow. It's about to get a lot worse.

A massive 37.5% voted to change what we have - lets open that there Brexit can again

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[Rob Hammond]

This was widely predicted to happen way before the Brexit vote, but was shouted down as 'Project Fear'

The Brexit negotiations must be the only ones in history where one side is actually trying to make a worse deal than the one they have now.

It's a bit like having a world cup team in overtime of the final, and half of the team are actually trying to score own goals.

Still, it's what half the the crowd voted for. Reap what you sow. It's about to get a lot worse.

 

[JJ]

Now we are out, if you move to another country in the EU you are emigrating, so look to your new utopia for your benefits.

This ends those straddling the channel with a foot hold in each country, cherrypicking. Emigrate or don't. But if you go, stop moaning you don't live here any more, we're not interested.

WOW!
SO much angst from one so new to Fun...


JJ

 

[Brains]

A massive 37.5% voted to change what we have - lets open that there Brexit can again

I'm afraid the can of worms remains open until the end of the year.
After that, we then start the blame game.

Remember one half the population think the other half are deluded fools.

Personally I'm with the half that tend to be (but far from exclusively) younger, more forward looking, better educated, well read, well travelled.

(I'm old enough to have a bus pass and left school at 16, so I don't fit in the demographic, but I know a good thing when I see it)

 

[Camdoon]

...

Remember one half the population think the other half are deluded fools.

Personally I'm with the half that tend to be (but far from exclusively) younger, more forward looking, better educated, well read, well travelled.
...

Halving something would give you two equal or corresponding parts.

 

[dna]

I'm afraid the can of worms remains open until the end of the year.
After that, we then start the blame game.

Remember one half the population think the other half are deluded fools.

Personally I'm with the half that tend to be (but far from exclusively) younger, more forward looking, better educated, well read, well travelled.

(I'm old enough to have a bus pass and left school at 16, so I don't fit in the demographic, but I know a good thing when I see it)

According to Wikepedia :

37.4% voted to leave the EU
34.7% voted to stay in the EU

The other approx 27.9% didn't vote and under our system cannot be assumed to have voted either way.

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