EU consultation on increasing permitted weight for standard licence to 4250 kg?

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I’ve just read in the German Reisemobil* magazine (or at least I think I have - my German is not what it was!) that the EU has been consulting until the end of May on a proposal to raise the permitted weight on a standard car licence in the EU from 3500kg to 4250kg. As far as I can see this is not specifically related to the idea of raising weight limits for electric vans to reflect battery weight, which I believe has also been suggested.

Has anyone else seen mention of this proposal, maybe in France?

And wouldn’t it be ironic if , despite the claims of Rees-Mogg & co, we ended up with less freedoms as a result of leaving the EU!

(* Just a heads up - if you use Readly, you can read the German Reisemobil & Promobil magazines there. Both make our own magazines look very amateurish - bigger home market, I guess.)
 
Solwaybuggier said:
I’ve just read in the German Reisemobil* magazine (or at least I think I have - my German is not what it was!) that the EU has been consulting until the end of May on a proposal to raise the permitted weight on a standard car licence in the EU from 3500kg to 4250kg. As far as I can see this is not specifically related to the idea of raising weight limits for electric vans to reflect battery weight, which I believe has also been suggested.

Has anyone else seen mention of this proposal, maybe in France?

And wouldn’t it be ironic if , despite the claims of Rees-Mogg & co, we ended up with less freedoms as a result of leaving the EU!

(* Just a heads up - if you use Readly, you can read the German Reisemobil & Promobil magazines there. Both make our own magazines look very amateurish - bigger home market, I guess.)
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If the EU did this unilaterally, without agreeing such a change with the other treaty members(136), e.g. Vienna Convention, who are signatories, there might be serious implications for EU licence holders of 'B' licences at 4250kg who wish to drive in non-EU but signatory states, especially if the vehicle was certified for 3750kg, Turkey and Morocco are pertinent examples for MHomers.

Would the signatories who are EU Members have to seek derogation from the treaties that they had signed to at 3500kg?
 
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I would have thought it’s unlikely the EU (unlike certain other countries!) would be looking to back out of treaty commitments unilaterally- but the fact that they are consulting on possible changes does suggest some momentum to considering change? If I’m reading the article right (attached) it clearly acknowledges conflicting pressures such as the environmental impact of heavier vehicles.
 

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Solwaybuggier said:
I’ve just read in the German Reisemobil* magazine (or at least I think I have - my German is not what it was!) that the EU has been consulting until the end of May on a proposal to raise the permitted weight on a standard car licence in the EU from 3500kg to 4250kg. As far as I can see this is not specifically related to the idea of raising weight limits for electric vans to reflect battery weight, which I believe has also been suggested.

Has anyone else seen mention of this proposal, maybe in France?

And wouldn’t it be ironic if , despite the claims of Rees-Mogg & co, we ended up with less freedoms as a result of leaving the EU!

(* Just a heads up - if you use Readly, you can read the German Reisemobil & Promobil magazines there. Both make our own magazines look very amateurish - bigger home market, I guess.)
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And if the UK wanted to it could do it with the minimum of fuss and very,very quickly.
 
Presumably not though if we want to continue to be able to drive in other countries? If this country (hypothetically) decided to abolish all restrictions on driving vehidles, it can do what it wants within the UK - but very unlikely that other countries would accept our standards when UK drivers were in their countries!
 
Solwaybuggier said:
Presumably not though if we want to continue to be able to drive in other countries? If this country (hypothetically) decided to abolish all restrictions on driving vehidles, it can do what it wants within the UK - but very unlikely that other countries would accept our standards when UK drivers were in their countries!
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You mean as in the EU not accepting UK standards on meat and dairy products at 0000hrs. 1st Feb 2021?

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Solwaybuggier said:
Presumably not though if we want to continue to be able to drive in other countries? If this country (hypothetically) decided to abolish all restrictions on driving vehidles, it can do what it wants within the UK - but very unlikely that other countries would accept our standards when UK drivers were in their countries!
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Why? Our laws are whatever legislation we pass, if other countries didnt want to reciprocate then their citizens wouldnt be allowed to drive here either
 
Googlebot said:
Which is the problem, how do the goods get here?

Like it or not, we are connected and everything is a negotiation.
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Negotiations work both ways. I just thought it strange that people would think we wouldnt be allowed to drive in the EU when we can do exactly that now with grandfather licence or C1
 
Got my new C1 back a couple of weeks ago and max weight is now 8250 kg which on my old licence was 7500 kg😊👍
That’s an increase of 750kg which would look the same increase on OPs post 3500 to 4250kg 😊
 
nicholsong said:
You mean as in the EU not accepting UK standards on meat and dairy products at 0000hrs. 1st Feb 2021?
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Customs controls haven't been implemented yet, the UK government keeps asking for a deferral.

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Gromett said:
Asking? They don't need to ask to defer their own checks, they just do it. And that is what they have done :)
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Actually, no, it does require agreement from the EU, as checks are still done at destination. There is also a lot happening with the UK wanting to renegotiate the NI protocol, but I'm sure you already know about that.
 
Speve said:
Got my new C1 back a couple of weeks ago and max weight is now 8250 kg which on my old licence was 7500 kg😊👍
That’s an increase of 750kg which would look the same increase on OPs post 3500 to 4250kg 😊
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I think that if you look more closely, the 8250kg figure appears in column 12 'Codes' next to code 79, which is a restriction on train weight to 8250k for those with privilege of C1 through grandfather rights. As opposed to C1 privilege through having passed a test for C1, where the train weight would not be restricted and therefore the full 12,000kg.
 
TeaBiscuit said:
Actually, no, it does require agreement from the EU, as checks are still done at destination. There is also a lot happening with the UK wanting to renegotiate the NI protocol, but I'm sure you already know about that.
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Erm, are we on about the same thing? I was talking about checks on in bound products. ie imports TO the UK FROM the EU. We set the rules on those and how they are to be implemented. We do not have to get anyone's permissions on how we do import checks.

www.specialityfoodmagazine.com

British government delays import checks for the fourth time since Brexit | News | Speciality Food Magazine

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www.itv.com

Lack of border checks on EU meat 'puts UK at risk of diseases' | ITV News

Farmers have expressed concern that a lack of checks could see an animal disease "decimate our markets". | ITV News Wales
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You will notice in each case it said "Announced" not "seeking permission to".

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Besides politics : ( I’m Belgian ) : 1: it’s not certain /valid yet, it’s been discussed more than 2 years already with no conclusion 2: the increased allowed weight is ONLY worth it , if your van or Motorhome is technically ( on official papers ) allowed to carry more weight . The magic or dreaded word is : axel weight , axel distribution . If your axels combined ánd individually are only permitted so much weight; no matter what law changes , you can’t carry more weight . We sold or motorhome because it : after 4 years and 120k kilometers and way overweight with no problems whatsoever , we return to our beloved Belgium and guess what : the cops weigh us and “they did us a guesture” a fine of only 400€.. it could have been 800, and more shit legally . 160 kilos over , corrected to 110. Our camper was allowed 2800 legally 1400 on front axle and 1400 in back . If it’s not balanced right they can fine you . Austria and Switzerland ist most strict : zero overweight . Belgium Holland Germany . fine you the most . France and spain less because they depend more on tourist for their economy . But theoretically the fines can be high . For us it spoiled our travel freedom feeling . So we bought a Hymer with 700+kilo to spare …
 
nicholsong said:
I think that if you look more closely, the 8250kg figure appears in column 12 'Codes' next to code 79, which is a restriction on train weight to 8250k for those with privilege of C1 through grandfather rights. As opposed to C1 privilege through having passed a test for C1, where the train weight would not be restricted and therefore the full 12,000kg.
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Interestingly when i converted my uk licence to a french one, it went from 7.5t with a trailer, maximum total weight of 8.25t, to a full C1 of 7.5t with trailer, maximum total weight of 12t, although i do have to also hold a current medical certificate renewed evey 5 years to use it. i also gained a 125 motorbike licence, as you are allowed to ride up to 125 on a car licence here.
 
Speve said:
Got my new C1 back a couple of weeks ago and max weight is now 8250 kg which on my old licence was 7500 kg😊👍
That’s an increase of 750kg which would look the same increase on OPs post 3500 to 4250kg 😊
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I think you’ll find that the 8250kg limit is on your C1E limit.
That is 7500kgs +a small trailer (750kg is the limit for an unbraked CatO1), giving a total of 8250kgs.
 
dash300 said:
Despite the digs above, the UK is free to design enact and adopt whatever it feels is of benefit.(y)
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This could lead to an issue in converged standards let’s assume the U.K. implements the 4200 uplift on U.K. licences and the EU is still in draft mode do you think U.K. licence would be valid in the EU ? My guess is that if 3500 is the legal limit in the EU then EU law will prevail, but you could happily drive around with the new up lift licence within the U.K. this is the madness of it all.

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It may not state that this is related to electric vehicles, but that is the driver behind the rule change. The payload on a 3,500kg van is drastically reduced if it carries propulsion batteries, making them almost useless. There have been several articles in the specialised press in this country on the same subject, but no mention of a trial as yet.
 
Imagine the nightmare of trying to define in law propulsion batteries. At what capacity with what range etc etc!. Maybe that's why they're looking at increased limits for everyone. As the Belgian poster said it would most likely only affect new vehicles or ones where the axle limits allowed an increase would that mean a devaluation of all existing motorhomes as they become less desirable?
 
I would have thought if a uk lic allows up to 4250 and the eu accept a uk lic as they do now the eu accepts you can drive up to 4250 in the eu or is that to simple. Bill
 
BILL 875 said:
I would have thought if a uk lic allows up to 4250 and the eu accept a uk lic as they do now the eu accepts you can drive up to 4250 in the eu or is that to simple. Bill
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How dare you come onto this thread and start posting sensible logic !!! :whistle2: :ROFLMAO:
 
nicholsong said:
I think that if you look more closely, the 8250kg figure appears in column 12 'Codes' next to code 79, which is a restriction on train weight to 8250k for those with privilege of C1 through grandfather rights. As opposed to C1 privilege through having passed a test for C1, where the train weight would not be restricted and therefore the full 12,000kg.
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Yes you are correct there was no wight at all on my old licence hence my comment and as you say my C1 is up to 7500 with trailer🙄

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