Dogs Running Loose on Sites

[Sleeveless]

What does the tattoos have to do with it?

Its like stating ,black , gay ....etc etc .

Not relevant

You're so right , it's a bit like describing a couple on a beach as "old and very fat" not relevant I guess, but an observation none the less...

 

[Northernraider]

You're so right , it's a bit like describing a couple on a beach as "old and very fat" not relevant I guess, but an observation none the less...

I never mentioned their tattoos .


Their age was highly relevant. ...as was the fact they couldn't move fast .


But we all know you used the tattooed description because of a stereotype.

No matter how much you attempt to sideswerve it .

Stereotypically those that do that tend to also be racist too


Just saying .

 

[Jane NotRog]

In 2022, 30,000 people died from dog attacks.

Deadliest animals to humans 2022| Statista

The deadliest animal based on the number of human deaths per year is not one that humans usually find scary, such as a shark or snake.

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In 2019, 415,000 people died from attacks by another human.

Causes of death globally: what do people die from?

To make progress towards a healthier world we need to have a good understanding of what health problems we face today.

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We should be more worried about mosquitos, with 1,000,000 deaths per annum.

Or motor vehicles at 1.3 million.

 

[Bobby dazzler]

I am dog lover and not a small bloke but dogs bounding up to me at random on sites or in the street is uncomfortable. Those who think it's ok have no respect for others or there personal space

 

[Northernraider]

In 2022, 30,000 people died from dog attacks.

Deadliest animals to humans 2022| Statista

The deadliest animal based on the number of human deaths per year is not one that humans usually find scary, such as a shark or snake.

www.statista.com

In 2019, 415,000 people died from attacks by another human.

Causes of death globally: what do people die from?

To make progress towards a healthier world we need to have a good understanding of what health problems we face today.

ourworldindata.org

We should be more worried about mosquitos, with 1,000,000 deaths per annum.

Or motor vehicles at 1.3 million.

And I bet a lot of those attacked by the dogs were idiots lol.

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[Bobby dazzler]

In 2022, 30,000 people died from dog attacks.

Deadliest animals to humans 2022| Statista

The deadliest animal based on the number of human deaths per year is not one that humans usually find scary, such as a shark or snake.

www.statista.com

In 2019, 415,000 people died from attacks by another human.

Causes of death globally: what do people die from?

To make progress towards a healthier world we need to have a good understanding of what health problems we face today.

ourworldindata.org

We should be more worried about mosquitos, with 1,000,000 deaths per annum.

Or motor vehicles at 1.3 million.

Try telling that to the 30k that died

 

[stuartholmes]

Just to add to this thread about dogs and their owners. We were staying on a C & CC site with our bullmastiff (who was definitely not a small dog and was a big softy). I went to the ladies toilet block and there was a woman inside with her Alsatian plus it was not on a lead. The dog promptly went for me and I ended up shutting myself in a cubicle, whilst the woman laughed at me mocking me as being frightened of dogs.
When I complained about her at reception I was told she was a site regular and always took her dog into the toilet block!
Needless to say I cancelled the remainder of our booking and complained to head office, who were less than interested.

Think you should name & shame!

 

[stuartholmes]

Don't put our dogs in the same classification as that! I'm not irresponsible enough to let a dog get close to a baby no matter how well behaved it is.

If all dog owners were totally responsible and kept people safe from the risks any dog can pose we might not be having this discussion but they're not. They're really not. And some owners who think they are responsible are not really, they are obsessed with their belief in their own dog and fail to see the picture from other perspectives - which leads to danger and which, I believe, could be said of a very big proportion of the owners of dogs who attacked people, as little as five minutes before the attack.

 

[stuartholmes]

In 2022, 30,000 people died from dog attacks.

Deadliest animals to humans 2022| Statista

The deadliest animal based on the number of human deaths per year is not one that humans usually find scary, such as a shark or snake.

www.statista.com

In 2019, 415,000 people died from attacks by another human.

Causes of death globally: what do people die from?

To make progress towards a healthier world we need to have a good understanding of what health problems we face today.

ourworldindata.org

We should be more worried about mosquitos, with 1,000,000 deaths per annum.

Or motor vehicles at 1.3 million.

I've been worried about mosquitos for many years, and about humans killing humans. If it mattered I'd tell you my personal reasons.
But this is about dogs running loose on campsites, even when theoretically not allowed.

And I know a supposedly public spirited & 'responsible' adult who happens to be an elected borough councillor but still manages to let her dogs off-lead the minute they're off street and into the park 'her' council are custodians of - despite the clear exhortations at the entrance to keep dogs on a lead.

There are clearly differing views on what responsible dog owning consists of.

 

[Bobby dazzler]

To me it's simple if there's a requirement to keep a dog on the lead keep the dog on a lead. If it's a public place why wouldn't someone have a dog on a lead it's respect for other members of the public and also road users ect.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how well a owner believes they have trained there dog. It only takes a certain set of circumstances for the dog to act in a way that isn't usually.

If its on a lead there's a far better Chance of controlling the situation.

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[phil_in_npton]

Good Evening
This was a topic of conversation for us today. Staying on a site with public access as it’s a golf course too. Means people just arrive and let their dogs off for a runaround.
Didn’t witness any particular incidents but it’s obvious many were not in visual contact with their dogs all the time.
Signage is ignored, I really wanted to challenge some of these folk but was dissuaded so as to keep the peace.

Phil in Northampton

 

[stuartholmes]

To me it's simple if there's a requirement to keep a dog on the lead keep the dog on a lead. If it's a public place why wouldn't someone have a dog on a lead it's respect for other members of the public and also road users ect.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how well a owner believes they have trained there dog. It only takes a certain set of circumstances for the dog to act in a way that isn't usually.

If its on a lead there's a far better Chance of controlling the situation.

So simple & so true!!

I can't fathom any justification for not following this advice, it should be legal law.

Imagine being keeper of a dog owner that you think is well behaved etc & then some external event leads it to attack someone... How you gonna feel?

 

[seasideBill]

Signage is ignored, I really wanted to challenge some of these folk but was dissuaded so as to keep the peace.

Phil in Northampton

Signage is habitually ignored, seems it’s socially acceptable to do so by folks who’d consider themselves as good citizens.

 

[walburga]

Of all the meets, holiday rallies, and (occassionally) club sites we've been on, I've never noticed the 'stewards' reminding dog owners of their responsibilities to keep their dogs on a lead! I think this would be a good start.

And what about the yapping dogs? Are their owners deaf? The dog breeds tend to be the smaller 'designer mongrels'.
I have noticed that a few sites stipulate 'well behaved dogs acceptable', if only...

regards
Allen

 

[Bobby dazzler]

Good Evening
This was a topic of conversation for us today. Staying on a site with public access as it’s a golf course too. Means people just arrive and let their dogs off for a runaround.
Didn’t witness any particular incidents but it’s obvious many were not in visual contact with their dogs all the time.
Signage is ignored, I really wanted to challenge some of these folk but was dissuaded so as to keep the peace.

Phil in Northampton

Yeah the trouble is alot of the owners are so arrogant you get a mouthful of abuse if you challenge them. They seem to be people who don't like to be told no you can't do that

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[HKF]

We have had 7 years of travelling to France for 6 weeks spring and autumn with our springer up to Covid and for 90% of the time she was not on a lead. If a dog is well trained it doesnt need a lead unless there is a local requiirement. I could play ball with our dog and with one beep of the whistle she would sit even if 100yds away and chasing the ball and with two beeps she would be running back to my side. She was trained with both sheep and cattle. She never interfered with other campers and there was only one occasion when I was asked to put her on a lead because the campsite required it and I had not seen the notice. In 7 years we didnt have one complaint.
Give responsible dog owners credit for the care they take.

It is a requirement in Camping-Car Park's rules that dogs must be on a lead at all times, so the owners of the dogs I mentioned in my OP were breaking the rules. In particular, you can refer to the rules of the site at Saint-Medard-de-Guiziere, Article 5, which reads (translated);

"Domestic animals are accepted. They must be kept on a leash during the period of stay. Their excrement must be picked up by their owners. The owners will ensure the tranquillity of each."

 

[HKF]

I understand why campsite listings have an icon or a filter for people who want to only see sites where dogs are allowed but do wish they'd do likewise for sites where dogs are NOT allowed! ''Not no way no how no time NEVER.'

I would definitely pick them in preference.

And I would do the same when we no longer have our dog with us.

 

[seasideBill]

And what about the yapping dogs? Are their owners deaf? The dog breeds tend to be the smaller 'designer mongrels'.

regards
Allen

Yes, they’re always bad news if pitched up nearby. They tend to squeak more than bark, but still bloody annoying and incessent. How can their owners carry on a conversation or relax with that racket going on?

 

[seasideBill]

duplicate

 

[HKF]

And I bet a lot of those attacked by the dogs were idiots lol.

I was attacked by a dog when I was younger. I don't consider myself to be an idiot For years, I couldn't contemplate being a dog owner. Eventually, I became the owner of 6 and was involved in emergency dog rescue. I'm still scared when I see a loose dog that I don't know. I guess it's hard wired into me now. It's definitely something I can't get over.

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[Northernraider]

I was attacked by a dog when I was younger. I don't consider myself to be an idiot For years, I couldn't contemplate being a dog owner. Eventually, I became the owner of 6 and was involved in emergency dog rescue. I'm still scared when I see a loose dog that I don't know. I guess it's hard wired into me now. It's definitely something I can't get over.

I didn't say everyone attacked by dogs were idiots I said I'd bet a lot of them were. You see videos on YouTube etc every day of people letting children drag dogs around by the ears or annoy them constantly and then they get surprised when the dog bites the child.. and it's always the dog that suffers in the end.

And then you've got other idiots that use dogs for protection, train them to attack etc .


So my point was from that 30000 cases I bet a lot of them wasn't the dogs fault.


I know my dogs wouldn't bite anyone unless they were driven to it. They might be excitable and overly friendly but they're not aggressive .

I also understand there's people with fear of dogs ...but there's also a lot that haven't a clue how to behave or act around a dog .

If you're scared of one and a dog approaches the last thing you should do is wave your arms around or scream excitedly....the dog thinks your playing.

 

[HKF]

I didn't say everyone attacked by dogs were idiots I said I'd bet a lot of them were. You see videos on YouTube etc every day of people letting children drag dogs around by the ears or annoy them constantly and then they get surprised when the dog bites the child.. and it's always the dog that suffers in the end.

And then you've got other idiots that use dogs for protection, train them to attack etc .


So my point was from that 30000 cases I bet a lot of them wasn't the dogs fault.


I know my dogs wouldn't bite anyone unless they were driven to it. They might be excitable and overly friendly but they're not aggressive .

I also understand there's people with fear of dogs ...but there's also a lot that haven't a clue how to behave or act around a dog .

If you're scared of one and a dog approaches the last thing you should do is wave your arms around or scream excitedly....the dog thinks your playing.

Yes, I get all that and I know you weren't meaning that I was idiot, in particluar But, I'm probably high on the likely scale of being attacked again because I give off fear hormones. I just can't help it. I'm really scared of other peoples' dogs. And the fact that I have a 14 year old, small, deaf, almost blind, 6kg Shih Tzu makes me panic even more when I see a loose dog. I can't even walk her on my own because I know I couldn't protect her. She means the world to me and is the last dog I'll ever have, so I'm very protective of her. So, it makes me cross when someone's loose dog ruins a stroll for us because that other person thinks I'll enjoy their dog being 'friendly' with us. I don't want to be friends with another dog. I just want to be able to walk mine in peace xx

 

[stuartholmes]

...Means people just arrive and let their dogs off for a runaround.
Signage is ignored, I really wanted to challenge some of these folk but was dissuaded so as to keep the peace.

Pity the owners of those dogs aren't that interested in peaceful coexistence.

 

[stuartholmes]

I was attacked by a dog when I was younger. I don't consider myself to be an idiot For years, I couldn't contemplate being a dog owner. Eventually, I became the owner of 6 and was involved in emergency dog rescue. I'm still scared when I see a loose dog that I don't know. I guess it's hard wired into me now. It's definitely something I can't get over.

Thank you for starting this discussion. You are a classic example (hope you don't mind me saying) of exactly why dogs should be on leads.

It is a matter of respect to other campsite users.

They have no right to assume everyone loves their dog as much as they do and no right to assume everyone has no legitimate reason to feel particularly threatened by loose dogs. I'm sorry to hear of your experience, congratulations for getting through it as well as you have but your ability to cope doesn't excuse other people treating your feelings so callously.

I hope this discussion thread has made some dog owners more sensitive but can't say my expectations are very high.

 

[mry716]

You might be able to shoot the eyebrows off a fly at 1000 paces, but that doesn't mean everyone can have a sniper rifle.

When people get to self evaluate their capabilities, the rules have to apply to the 95th percentile idiot.

Also see: speed limits.

No but I can put 5 shots into a 5" target at 400yds

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[PP Bear]

Here’s my 2 on overwatch for intruders. Wow-betide anyone that gets attacked by either of these

 

[seasideBill]

I know my dogs wouldn't bite anyone unless they were driven to it. They might be excitable and overly friendly but they're not aggressive .

I also understand there's people with fear of dogs ...but there's also a lot that haven't a clue how to behave or act around a dog .

If you're scared of one and a dog approaches the last thing you should do is wave your arms around or scream excitedly....the dog thinks your playing.

That’s all irrelevant. What your dog will or won’t do is just a single example amongst 10m or more dogs in the UK. Also, it’s not the responsibility of others to know how to behave around dogs. I’ve had several occasions when some manic dog has just gone for me and my wife just because we’re sharing the same street. I’m not frightened by them, I’ll give it a good kick to defend myself if necessary. The idiots are the folks who aren’t capable of controlling their animals, not the rest of us who would prefer it if dogs didn't feature in our lives at all!

 

[Reallyretired]

Our dogs are fine off lead and they are whenever reasonable BUT if the rules say they must be on a lead then they always will be.

 

[Minxy]

If all dog owners were totally responsible and kept people safe from the risks any dog can pose we might not be having this discussion but they're not. They're really not.

I know that, we've met a few idiots with dogs whilst in France who think it's funny to come over to our tethered dogs with their dogs, on leads or not, just to antagonise ours with their barking etc with the owners thinking it's funny.

Our Minky is frightened of large dogs since she was surrounded by some when a pup and due to COVID we couldn't socialise her properly. If she's introduced quietly without a lot of fuss etc she's very accepting but when a barking hairy beast comes rushing over it scares her sh*tless!

And some owners who think they are responsible are not really, they are obsessed with their belief in their own dog and fail to see the picture from other perspectives - which leads to danger and which, I believe, could be said of a very big proportion of the owners of dogs who attacked people, as little as five minutes before the attack.

I agree, you can never assume any dog, not even one who you've had for many years, will always act correctly, just like humans they have good and bad days etc.

 

[Rapides]

It is a requirement in Camping-Car Park's rules that dogs must be on a lead at all times, so the owners of the dogs I mentioned in my OP were breaking the rules. In particular, you can refer to the rules of the site at Saint-Medard-de-Guiziere, Article 5, which reads (translated);

"Domestic animals are accepted. They must be kept on a leash during the period of stay. Their excrement must be picked up by their owners. The owners will ensure the tranquillity of each."

Interesting. I left a review of a CCP site only yesterday asking why certain dog owners think it’s ok to leave their crap to spoil the place for the next user.

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