Does this mean I can take my dog to Northern Ireland without any type of pet passport again?

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It's just been announced that Stormont is to remove border checks from midnight tonight.

Hoping this means I can take my dog over to Northern Ireland without needing any other passes, like I used to. Does anyone know if this is the case?

www.bbc.co.uk

NI Protocol: Irish Sea border checks ordered to end at midnight

NI Agriculture Minister Edwin Poots says he has taken the decision after receiving legal advice.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
I've taken my dog to Ireland several times during 2021 travelling through Belfast Port. There have been no checks , questions or paperwork. I phoned Defra before I travelled and they confirmed that checks are not being made ; although technically the dog should have an animal health certificate or EU pet passport, as well as a certified tapeworm treatment.
 
I suspect this suspension of checks, if indeed it is operation, will only be temporary.
Neither the EU nor England can afford to have a customs free back door between the countries.

However if you wish to export a lorry load of cheese and sausages and import a load of wine and motorhome parts, now would be the time to do it.
 
This has been done to collapse the Stormont Government. I suspect direct rule will make an appearance again pending an election or other resolution. Direct rule will doubtless involve reverting to the status quo.
The DUP are in a panic having realised they cannot change demographics. They will become increasingly irrelevant.
I suspect officials will ignore this edict until the legality is establishe.

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Brains said:
Neither the EU nor England can afford to have a customs free back door between the countries.
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But could Scotland as it's one of the key direct route points to NI?:whistle2:
 
As far as I’m aware Northern Ireland is part of the the U.K. there are no checks between England and Scotland or England and Wales so why would there be between England and Northen Ireland or Scotland and Northern Ireland?
 
Yep, no checks of any kind entering Larne September 2021 for humans or dogs, passport, AHC, covid all zilch.
Just a look in the bathroom for stow aways.

And of course unrestricted access into the EU / RoI
 
glenn2926 said:
As far as I’m aware Northern Ireland is part of the the U.K. there are no checks between England and Scotland or England and Wales so why would there be between England and Northen Ireland or Scotland and Northern Ireland?
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It is all due to the NI Protocol - As a result of the protocol, NI has in effect remained in the EU's single market for goods (England, Scotland and Wales have left the EU's single market for goods). It is all a bit of a mess! At least we still have our pet passports!
 
glenn2926 said:
As far as I’m aware Northern Ireland is part of the the U.K. there are no checks between England and Scotland or England and Wales so why would there be between England and Northern Ireland or Scotland and Northern Ireland?
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And also no checks between north and south ireland.
and therein lies the problem.

Teresa May negotiated a perfectly reasonable and logical solution, which was to remain within the EU customs borders.
The Ultra Nationalists of the Conservative Party and the DUP would not tolerate the EU being involved and so voted in an impossible situation.
Hence the mess now.
The border has to be somewhere.
There are 4 possible solutions

The UK rejoins EU customs union, (or rejoins the EU)
Or you somehow introduce a physical border between north and south Ireland, with it's hundreds of crossing places and houses, farms and villages that straddle the border.
(Who pays to police this border, neither government wants it or can afford it, and the last time they tried it, it caused a war)
Or you put the border in the logical place down the irish sea as there are only a few crossing places.
Or you persuade Ireland to leave the EU.

The 5th option is you somehow come up with a temporary bodge whereby the UK government checks what is going between the countries using (non existent) technology and then bill the companies doing the transportation.

Quite how a man in a white van travelling between the two sides of the border to clean windows or go to work on a building site can be told apart from the van full of goods for sale is anyone's guess.
(Which is why both the Irish Government and the EU see this 'option' as unrealistic with today's technology)

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ontheroadagain said:
It is all due to the NI Protocol - As a result of the protocol, NI has in effect remained in the EU's single market for goods (England, Scotland and Wales have left the EU's single market for goods). It is all a bit of a mess! At least we still have our pet passports!
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Neither Scotland nor Wales has a land border with a third country (in NI's case, the European Union).
 
Brains said:
And also no checks between north and south ireland.
and therein lies the problem.

Teresa May negotiated a perfectly reasonable and logical solution, which was to remain within the EU customs borders.
The Ultra Nationalists of the Conservative Party and the DUP would not tolerate the EU being involved and so voted in an impossible situation.
Hence the mess now.
The border has to be somewhere.
There are 4 possible solutions

The UK rejoins EU customs union, (or rejoins the EU)
Or you somehow introduce a physical border between north and south Ireland, with it's hundreds of crossing places and houses, farms and villages that straddle the border.
(Who pays to police this border, neither government wants it or can afford it, and the last time they tried it, it caused a war)
Or you put the border in the logical place down the irish sea as there are only a few crossing places.
Or you persuade Ireland to leave the EU.

The 5th option is you somehow come up with a temporary bodge whereby the UK government checks what is going between the countries using (non existent) technology and then bill the companies doing the transportation.

Quite how a man in a white van travelling between the two sides of the border to clean windows or go to work on a building site can be told apart from the van full of goods for sale is anyone's guess.
(Which is why both the Irish Government and the EU see this 'option' as unrealistic with today's technology)
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The 6th option, which is what will happen in the long term, is Northern Ireland rejoins the Republic (or becomes independent) and therefore also rejoins the EU.

Political demographics show that the current 43% loyalist share of the vote is falling at a steady rate of about 0.5% per year as their voters and supporters die off.
The current 38% Republicans share of the vote is increasing at about 0.5% of the year as younger voters come of age.

At some point in the next decade the DUP and their allies will start the long slow descent.
The vote to rejoin however is probably at least 20 years away, as the Republicans will want to ensure that winning it is a forgone conclusion, time is on their side.
 
Brains said:
Teresa May negotiated a perfectly reasonable and logical solution, which was to remain within the EU customs borders.
The Ultra Nationalists of the Conservative Party and the DUP would not tolerate the EU being involved and so voted in an impossible situation.
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To give a bit more detail: Theresa May's deal said that, in order to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, if after Brexit came into effect we were not in a customs area with the EU then there would be a "backstop" which left NI in the EU customs area. Inevitably as a result the backstop would mean a border down the Irish Sea. This was opposed by NI unionist MPs and many Conservative MPs and led to May losing her job.

Boris Johnson promised to get rid of the backstop because he said that he would never agree to a border down the Irish Sea. He was elected leader and immediately did a deal that left NI in the EU customs area and meant a border down the Irish Sea. This deal was supported by the Conservative MPs who had voted against the backstop. He won big in the election that followed which meant that his deal became law. Now he says that he is opposed to the deal because he does not want a border down the Irish Sea.
 
As much as I'd dislike a breakup of GB, either by Scotland or NI leaving, the logical solution is for a united Republic of Ireland.
But I fear that even if it's voted for in a referendum, it'll cause endless troubles again :(:cry::(
No easy solution.
In fact whichever way you look today, there are impossibly difficult decisions on many topics.
 
Wissel said:
It's just been announced that Stormont is to remove border checks from midnight tonight.

Hoping this means I can take my dog over to Northern Ireland without needing any other passes, like I used to. Does anyone know if this is the case?

www.bbc.co.uk

NI Protocol: Irish Sea border checks ordered to end at midnight

NI Agriculture Minister Edwin Poots says he has taken the decision after receiving legal advice.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Just came back the other day - and no checks present (y)

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Figaro said:
the logical solution is for a united Republic of Ireland.
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(Said tongue in cheek): That would be very tough on the tens of thousands of Southern Irish who travel North each year to use our NHS services because their own ROI system is so crap.
 
Figaro said:
As much as I'd dislike a breakup of GB, either by Scotland or NI leaving, the logical solution is for a united Republic of Ireland.
But I fear that even if it's voted for in a referendum, it'll cause endless troubles again :(:cry::(
No easy solution.
In fact whichever way you look today, there are impossibly difficult decisions on many topics.
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Yes, just imagine a "Celtic Crescent" of Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic and Brittany wrapped around England. Wouldn't be long before they got restless in Cornwall as well. Exciting times that sadly I'm probably too old to see . . :giggle:;):rolleyes:
 
gerry mcg said:
Yet 👍🤣
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They won't let you rejoin. They can't. If they do, then Catalunya and Vlanderen will look to secede from Spain and Belgium respectively. They won't be allowed, and cue civil war in Catalunya and permanent stagnation of the democratic & political processes in Belgium. Then Bavaria, Moravia, Euskal Herria, Transylvania, Galicia, (to name but a few) will be emboldened to seek secession. The watchword of the EU is unity, so anything that threatens that, won't be allowed. Basically Spain and Belgium must veto an independent Scotland becoming a member of the EU. Spain has said as much already.

This leaves Sturgeon presiding over an independent economy that is slightly smaller than Hondurus & Papua New Guinea, and losing the income of the increasingly unpopular fossil fuels. Think your free prescriptions and care would be the first casualties.

Figaro said:
As much as I'd dislike a breakup of GB, either by Scotland or NI leaving, the logical solution is for a united Republic of Ireland.
But I fear that even if it's voted for in a referendum, it'll cause endless troubles again :(:cry::(
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Mrs DDJC is Irish, from Co Galway. Many people she knows over there would love to see a united Ireland, but recognise two unrequited issues. Firstly, NI has a huge annual economic deficit and Ireland cannot afford it, without going under. Secondly, the loyalist community would not accept this and would likely re-initiate some sort of action, but this time focused on the South.

Maybe the EU could prop up the Irish economy for the former, but the latter would be really bad. We all remember how committed these people are to a cause.

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Interesting just how few posts actually answer the original question.
 
Brains said:
Teresa May negotiated a perfectly reasonable and logical solution, which was to remain within the EU customs borders.
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But would require us to remain subject to the European Court of Justice, so would not really have satisfied the vote of the people to leave. So neither logical or reasonable.

However, that is very subjective and an old argument now. So I won't pursue it.
 
Oooh. I feel this thread slowly sliding towards someone ending up being sent to Coventry . . .
 
DDJC said:
............Firstly, NI has a huge annual economic deficit and Ireland cannot afford it, without going under.
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In order to balance the argument I think it best that you also mention the eye watering debt-per-capita that exists within the ROI.

The only reason that it doesn't get mentioned in the Irish Press these days is that the debt has been serviced (thankfully!!) by low interest rates across the last ten year period.

If the global, US and European economies keep falling apart at their current rate of knots then Ireland could shortly find itself in the financial poo-poo.

NI is part of the UK so it'll be relatively OK in the future but I wouldn't put any money on the ROI having the same degree of success.

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phase3begins said:
Interesting just how few posts actually answer the original question.
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It has been answered so why keep saying the same thing when, as we all know, 'conversation' drift off at tangents.
 
Minxy said:
It has been answered so why keep saying the same thing when, as we all know, 'conversation' drift off at tangents.
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If Jim ever needs a forum prefect to help out with the kids then I'll be voting for you Mel :hi:
 
phase3begins said:
Apologies for daring to post a comment
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I don’t know who has had a go at you but I can certainly hazard a guess. I do like how these threads move and change from the original question though.
 
phase3begins said:
Apologies for daring to post a comment
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Nothing wrong with posting a comment :p, same as my comment explaining why its now gone off at a tangent ... funsters are fickle things at times, some can go on and on about the same thing for pages and pages, others are easily distracted ... makes for some interesting and often funny threads.

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