Diesel (1 Viewer)

[Cruisejunkie]

Good morning all, just been reading about the proposals re Diesel engines , any ideas how it will affect all of us

 

[chaser]

Might have if I knew what you are on about

 

[buttons]

It is not going to be good....

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[gus-lopez]

Is there a link ?

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Good morning all, just been reading about the proposals re Diesel engines , any ideas how it will affect all of us

This ? :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39499331

Pre Euro 4 petrol powered cars too.

 

[Jaws]

The cities I have read about have said the proposals will not affect privately owned vehicles..

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[nicholsong]

The cities I have read about have said the proposals will not affect privately owned vehicles..

Source of info please

 

[MC 55 FUN]

The cities I have read about have said the proposals will not affect privately owned vehicles..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39499331 - this states private vehicles will be affected in London & some other U.K. cities.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

The whole thing has the makings of a massive cock up.

At local level LAs have been given the power to penalise drivers of diesel vehicles more or less at will with their clean air zones meanwhile at a national level there are still massive incentives to buy and drive diesel vehicles, company car allowances for example.

It seems to me that someone's made a great headline grabbing announcement without thinking it through properly.

Again.

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[MC 55 FUN]

The latest figures I can find state that in 2015 in excess of 2.6 million cars were sold in the U.K. & 48.3% of these were diesels & of course brand new 17 plate diesel cars are being sold by the shedload, so I don't see diesel cars disappearing anytime soon, although maybe older pre Euro 4 cars may see a scrappage deal offered, nevertheless that still leaves millions of diesel vans, trucks & buses etc on the road.

 

[WhiteCheyenneMan]

Unless you plan to tour central London, Manchester, Paris etc. etc., I doubt you'll notice!

 

[pyro]

PLG and post September 2015, so I'm ok

Not that I would want to go to any of those places in any case

Just a convenient way to raise additional revenue, and nothing is firm, yet. The worst offenders (taxis, buses, coaches and dustcarts) are all exempted. Seems a good way to rid the streets of that scourge Uber

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[Ivory55]

Unless you plan to tour central London, Manchester, Paris etc. etc., I doubt you'll notice!

The M25 is the closest you want to get to London, haha

 

[frogijock]

I think I heard that it is pre 2014 vehicles that are affected, after all if you have a Euro 6 engine then that is the latest approved one so cannot see that being included

 

[pappajohn]

Unless York city council implement the charge it won't effect me in the slightest.
The last city I drove in, apart from York, was London.......37 years ago.
Nothing important enough to drag me into a city.

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[jongood]

What would be really good is - If they gave incentives to commercial vehicle manufacturers to develop hybrids. weight is really the only issue - imagine a 44t truck with a 6/7 litre engine(normally 12/13) and a bank of batteries and electric motors and a roof full of solar panels - would save loads of diesel as a lot of the time on UK's superb roads they are cruising, crawling or idling or shunting around yards.

The biggest issue I think would be the payload and cost, If they could give a suitable allowance and encouragement it could make a massive difference to particulate levels. It could then pass down to light Cvs and hence Mhs.

 

[Jaws]

Source of info please

It was on the Anglia News web site but I cannot find it now ( they update daily )

 

[pyro]

I think I heard that it is pre 2014 vehicles that are affected, after all if you have a Euro 6 engine then that is the latest approved one so cannot see that being included

From what I read there appears to be little or no distinction between a "Euro 6" compliant engine (in other words, a Euro 5 engine meeting that standard) and an engine that is actually "Euro 6" designated The cut off date for 3.5T motorhomes being September 2015

All a bit silly really, what happens if someone decides to replace their engine? Badly thought out, again

From this it does appear that the proposed action is loosely consistent with the stated aim of reducing pollution. Not that the cut off date concerns me (April 2016) or the locations particularly interest me

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[nicholsong]

I posted this on another MH forum

"
[A member] posted a general question about diesel, although his link was to the inner city charges.

Those charges are of probably less concern to MH owners than a general ban on diesels in say 2105, which is a date I have seen bandied about.

If such a ban were to include existing vehicles and not just new sales that could have serious consequences for MH owners.

I can understand that governments might consider 7-8 years sufficient notice for transport companies, whose vehicle do 50-100K miles a year, to plan fleet renewals.

I am not sure the engine companies will be producing petrol engines for up to 44t trucks in time for that.

However, back to low-usage vehicles like MHs, Ambulances and School buses. These are being almost exclusively sold with diesel engines this year and pre-ordered for next year. Even older vehicles, like my MH, have only done 40k miles in 13 years, so could easily have another 13 years of life."

Geoff

Do governments really expect that these low-mileage per year should be scrap in 7-8 years? And what are the governments doing to discuss with the motor industry what replacement engines will be available for a) new builds and b) retrofit?

MHs are not the only expensively fitted-out vehicles on low mileage - I have mentioned ambulances, but there are also fire appliances, mobile cranes etc. Would the regulations expect all these to be scrapped and replaced - a lot at central and local government expense. I suppose the government could exempt the operators of these vehicles, but I think it would take a lot of heavy lobbying for the likes of MH owners, with no 'Trade body', to get a similar exemption.

I think we need to monitor whatever is being proposed very carefully, or between use we could be asked to write-off billions of pounds.

Not scaremongering but being watchful.

Geoff