DARK WATERS the Tefal poisoning story.

[Scotties]

DARK WATERS Amazon Prime

Hi watched this last night, true story about Dupont (3M Dow etc) concealing how their Teflon manufacture caused death, cancers and birth defects.

Started in late 60s with cases still ongoing today.

The ‘forever’ chemical PFOA C8 has recently been replaced by another, but the long term effects of this are still unknown.

May have you throwing out all your nonstick pans.

Excellent film, well worth a watch

 

[EuroTrotters]

I heard about this.

what year was it until ?

 

[Richard n Ann]

I heard about this.

what year was it until ?

2013 I think but they replaced the chemical with another one of the same family which is likely to still be lethal. There are hundreds of PFOAs... or is it PFAS? It's on Wikipedia anyway

 

[EuroTrotters]

So our tefal motorhome pans that share a handle could be .....

 

[Richard n Ann]

PFAS and there are thousands of them..

Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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[Clipgate]

It's not just Tefal with a none stick coating. Discovered some years ago and kept quiet.
A lesson to us all, magic fixes have a unknown price to pay.
Think chemicals DDT, Thalidomide,Neonicotinoids, what next ?

 

[Bluemanc100]

Good film but a scary situation for the world

Mark Ruffalo is a great actor to be fair

 

[ctc]

At least in the U.S. there's a chance of some redress.

 

[Scotties]

The main reason they got collared, is the case was taken up by a corporate industrial lawyer, who knew the coverups of big business.

 

[clanjones]

If you like a good documdrama it is very good. From a corporate standpoint, very similar to the film Erin Brockovich which we also enjoyed.

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[tacr2man]

History repeats itself time and again , its not just a modern problem , even back in 17C and before slow learners or what ?

 

[grasscutter]

Watched the film a couple of nights ago.
What a very determined lawyer.
Quite worrying . Makes you wonder how many cover ups there are.

 

[movan]

DARK WATERS Amazon Prime

Hi watched this last night, true story about Dupont (3M Dow etc) concealing how their Teflon manufacture caused death, cancers and birth defects.

Started in late 60s with cases still ongoing today.

The ‘forever’ chemical PFOA C8 has recently been replaced by another, but the long term effects of this are still unknown.

May have you throwing out all your nonstick pans.

Excellent film, well worth a watch

I threw mine out years ago due to this 'secret'. Grrr.

Only buy glass or stainless steel ware.

With expensive stainless steel they are very easy to clean.... Just cover base with water whilst you eat your meal and they're ready to just wipe with your sponge.

 

[movan]

It's not just Tefal with a none stick coating. Discovered some years ago and kept quiet.
A lesson to us all, magic fixes have a unknown price to pay.
Think chemicals DDT, Thalidomide,Neonicotinoids, what next ?

I just hope we don't start using nicotinoids again... we were forced to stop by the EU.

 

[DBK]

My understanding is C8 is a waste product of the manufacture of Teflon. It was this which was escaping into the river. The Teflon on pans doesn't contain it. However, the chemical is widely used elsewhere, including food packaging.

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[Richard n Ann]

My understanding is C8 is a waste product of the manufacture of Teflon. It was this which was escaping into the river. The Teflon on pans doesn't contain it. However, the chemical is widely used elsewhere, including food packaging.

No it's still in the pan coating, it's OK as long as you keep it below 200°c so it doesn't break down.

My dad worked at the coalite plant in Bolsover for 25 years, heart disease got him in the end same as every long term worker there. There are dioxins in the soil all round the plant and you could smell the place from miles away if the wind was blowing in the right direction. If you don't live round here you may have smelled it passing on the motorway. Ann always said she knew where to get off because of the smell

What is amazing is you can still smell it now driving past and it's been shut since 2004

Coalite - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[monzer]

I just hope we don't start using nicotinoids again... we were forced to stop by the EU.

Is that not the chemical that has recently been reinstated?

 

[stevewagner]

Great movie - they said that everyone has a trace of the chemical in their body!

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

What is amazing is you can still smell it now driving past and it's been shut since 2004

Too true

 

[monzer]

I just hope we don't start using nicotinoids again... we were forced to stop by the EU.

Is that not the chemical that has recently been reinstated?

Yeah, environment secretary George Eustice has agreed to re-introduce the pesticide to treat sugar beets.

Now we're free of those pesky bureaucrats we can get on with killing our bees

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[movan]

Yeah, environment secretary George Eustice has agreed to re-introduce the pesticide to treat sugar beets.

Now we're free of those pesky bureaucrats we can get on with killing our bees

Oh no. I can't believe he's done that! How can anybody be so stupid!!!!

We're just about to beat covid and they open the door to a new destroyer.

 

[monzer]

Oh no. I can't believe he's done that! How can anybody be so stupid!!!!

We're just about to beat covid and they open the door to a new destroyer.

Don't get me started on the plans to push on with gene editing in livestock and crops.

 

[movan]

I know. I'm struggling at the moment to handle all the covid news. A part of me thinks this is being used to slip other plans through unnoticed whilst we are all embroiled in covid. Sorry, cant post on it at the moment.. Let's hope people wake up and speak out.

 

[monzer]

I know. I'm struggling at the moment to handle all the covid news. A part of me thinks this is being used to slip other plans through unnoticed whilst we are all embroiled in covid. Sorry, cant post on it at the moment.. Let's hope people wake up and speak out.

I believe you have hit the nail firmly on the head.

 

[Gromett]

Don't get me started on the plans to push on with gene editing in livestock and crops.

I have no problems with genetic engineering in limited scenarios. An outright ban is just plain wrong.

We have been gene editing the natural way for centuries via selective breeding. This just accelerates and limits the changes being made. CRISPR-CAS9 is amazing technology when used correctly.

You do realise that gene editing was used to make some of the Covid Vaccines?

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[monzer]

You do realise that gene editing was used to make some of the Covid Vaccines?

Is it the same processes that were previously banned?

 

[Gromett]

Is it the same processes that were previously banned?

I don't understand your question sorry.

 

[monzer]

I don't understand your question sorry.

No worries

 

[busby]

No it's still in the pan coating, it's OK as long as you keep it below 200°c so it doesn't break down.

My dad worked at the coalite plant in Bolsover for 25 years, heart disease got him in the end same as every long term worker there. There are dioxins in the soil all round the plant and you could smell the place from miles away if the wind was blowing in the right direction. If you don't live round here you may have smelled it passing on the motorway. Ann always said she knew where to get off because of the smell

What is amazing is you can still smell it now driving past and it's been shut since 2004

Coalite - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Can remember cattle being contaminated with dioxins near Coalite and the EXPERTS were investigating where it came from,,wonder how much that cost..As you say you can still smell it..Used to load out of there late 60s..BUSBY.

 

[Charlie57]

Just watched it great film, just show all big business is interested in is money

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