Covid-19 Rules and Rallies

[Jim]

My take on this at the moment and after listening to the PM. It's pretty much stayed the same, but the 30 people fudge has been removed and for once it was pretty unequivocal.

We can go to shows like Lincoln as individuals and once there we must ensure we don't meet friends in groups greater than six.

Even with social distancing, we cannot organise a gathering greater than six. So we cannot arrange for 10 vans to meet in a field, even if when there, we stay in smaller groups of 6.

 

[Jim]

Even with social distancing, we cannot organise a gathering greater than six. So we cannot arrange for 10 vans to meet in a field, even if when there, we stay in smaller groups of 6.

For now at least it looks like this is where we are. Yes we can go to others campsites and temporary campsites as individuals. But as group we move into a really messy area that I would prefer to let someone else's lawyer sort out. The PM was for once pretty emphatic and our legal bod has said we should tread very carefully arranging for a group of people to meet in a field and calling it a campsite. It would need one person to report us, one copper to nick someone and our permission to rally could be permanently removed.
I have though written to Natural England (Defra) for their take and we'll see what they say.

 

[StephandJohn]

Just a suggestion. Our local authority environmental health officer has been very helpful interpreting the law for us over the rule of 6 so it may be worth asking them.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Good idea but

Just a suggestion. Our local authority environmental health officer has been very helpful interpreting the law for us over the rule of 6 so it may be worth asking them.

one environmental health officers opinion will probably differ from another and then you are stuffed. Without a definitive ruling from upon high, nothing really can be done

 

[StephandJohn]

Still worth asking though to join your 'armoury' of knowldege I would have thought.
We found the Health and Safety Executive helpful too.

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[Headrush]

So are pubs and restaurants limited to 6 customers on the premises? If not then the total present should be irrelevant.

 

[ManTheVan]

So are pubs and restaurants limited to 6 customers on the premises? If not then the total present should be irrelevant.

Nope, but customers cannot be in groups of more than 6 within (or without!) the establishment.

 

[chaser]

Don't see why there is a fuss over this, don't join more than five people at a time and there is no problem

 

[SOOZANDIAN]

In Scotland the 6 people can only be from 2 households.

 

[TR5]

I agree that you should get confirmation from on high, so that if it IS deemed ok (in writing) to have a rally, provided the 'rule of six' is strictly adhered to, then an over zealous complainant and/or Mr Plod can be shown on what authority you are continuing to hold it.

I also agree that, if pubs and restaurants are allowed to have more than 6 customers, provided they are segregated into groups of 6 or under, then it seems unreasonable for a rally to be banned, if you undertake to ensure and operate by the same rules.

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[Emmit]

This Club has someone as a member that has forgotten more about this than the rest of us put together.
He's sat outside his van right now at an organised, (by one of the two Clubs) campsite and as far as he's concerned there is nothing illegal about a club organising a, what we call, rally.
I say this as the organiser of "rallies" on Fun who has had to cancel a "Rally" on the advice of a solicitor and an Insurance Co.
Right from the outset of Covid, it has been apparent that this Government has no idea whatsoever about the risks associated with camping in general and motorhoming in particular I honestly believe that somewhere in the dim and distant past one of them went to Glastonbury and that makes them an expert. In reality they know nothing and use abroad brush at the pastime by banning the pastime. I could cite without repetition ad nausium the day to day activities which are allowed to occur which are far more dangerous to health than the use of a motorhome for recreational enjoyment.
Rant over. I'm off for a wine.

 

[JJ]

Thank goodness where I live is not affected by any of those bumbling UK politicians who don't have a clue what to do about the virus so just make up stuff to fit the particular crisis of the day.

And, by the way, they tell lies.


"World beating track and trace system..."

Yeah right.



JJ

 

[maison]

Thank goodness where I live is not affected by any of those bumbling UK politicians who don't have a clue what to do about the virus so just make up stuff to fit the particular crisis of the day.

And, by the way, they tell lies.


"World bearing track and trace system”

Yeah right.



JJ

As someone remarked today


“try to trace the tracking system “

 

[Clipgate]

In my view those who wish to arrange liability insurance for an event should do so and not urge others to take the wrath of a zealous ambulance chasing solicitor no there shoulder's.
Having been involved is rallies of quite a different nature and never gotten it right for some! Learnt to let them do the organising. Very soon no rally!

 

[TonyEmm]

Rant over. I'm off for a wine.

a rant or a whine? It depends on perspective! I’ll join you in a wine, regardless!

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[pandas]

This Club has someone as a member that has forgotten more about this than the rest of us put together.
He's sat outside his van right now at an organised, (by one of the two Clubs) campsite and as far as he's concerned there is nothing illegal about a club organising a, what we call, rally.
I say this as the organiser of "rallies" on Fun who has had to cancel a "Rally" on the advice of a solicitor and an Insurance Co.
Right from the outset of Covid, it has been apparent that this Government has no idea whatsoever about the risks associated with camping in general and motorhoming in particular I honestly believe that somewhere in the dim and distant past one of them went to Glastonbury and that makes them an expert. In reality they know nothing and use abroad brush at the pastime by banning the pastime. I could cite without repetition ad nausium the day to day activities which are allowed to occur which are far more dangerous to health than the use of a motorhome for recreational enjoyment.
Rant over. I'm off for a wine.

I am quite clear about what the Government is now trying to achieve with the rule of 6. Mass gatherings have been responsible for in the UK and other countries, as a direct factor in raising the R number. The R rate is significant in terms of those infected and compounds. As we have been quite relaxed at social distancing a rule of 6 is a simple way of communicating and controlling the exposure. There is therefore a significant difference to going to a restaurant with a group of 6, albeit other people will be in the restaurant, to having a group of people of either a family of friends or known people grouped into individual pods of 6 as it is outside of the spirit of trying to restrict the mass gatherings. That’s why I am quite confused about why when this is a period of sensitivity that people are keen to meet up camping in a large group keen to meet others again even though they are ‘sensible’ and will keep to groups of 6. It is the cross infection of individuals within different groups is the issue. Of course camping is safe but not as a social mass gathering. Well that’s my position.

 

[Essex Janner]

We should all stick to the latest rules, don't want to add to the terminal mass gathering of 41,680!!