CL sites - rules

[138go]

We like to use the CAMC CL sites. This year we’ve noticed the five pitch rules being applied, interestingly. For example, there is a CL in Dorset that has ten pitches. We queried with the owner how that worked. His reply was vague and didn’t explain anything. We’ve just stayed on another site in the New Forest and there were six pitches, all taken.

On another matter, when we stayed on Hayling island the CL owner was preparing an area to site a Shepherd’s hut but he’d been told by the CAMC that it couldn’t happen, as the hut was too close to the five pitch site. Yet, here we are in Pembrokeshire, on a site with a static caravan, which has a couple in on holiday. It’s all very “interesting”. What does the panel think?

 

[cmcardle75]

Some sites have multiple licences from multiple clubs and get 5 per club. Also, there are additional planning exemptions that can apply in addition to the CS/CL exemption. In any case, I'd keep quiet. There's a massive shortage of plots and I'm perfectly happy to be on a dodgy 10 site CL/CS if it means I don't have to pay £40 elsewhere to park within 1,000,000th of a mm of the peg.

 

[Lenny HB]

Does it really matter as long as there is plenty of room.
I know the 5 van limit is a planing thing another stupid planning law like the ones that prevent Aires.

 

[Langtoftlad]

We like to use the CAMC CL sites. This year we’ve noticed the five pitch rules being applied, interestingly. For example, there is a CL in Dorset that has ten pitches. We queried with the owner how that worked. His reply was vague and didn’t explain anything. We’ve just stayed on another site in the New Forest and there were six pitches, all taken.

On another matter, when we stayed on Hayling island the CL owner was preparing an area to site a Shepherd’s hut but he’d been told by the CAMC that it couldn’t happen, as the hut was too close to the five pitch site. Yet, here we are in Pembrokeshire, on a site with a static caravan, which has a couple in on holiday. It’s all very “interesting”. What does the panel think?

With the greatest of respect - what has it got to do with you what the landowner appears to be doing?
If you're happy with your pitch & price...

 

[138go]

I didn’t say it matters. I don’t give a toss, however it does seem a bit unfair on the owners who follow the “rules”.

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[Langtoftlad]

I didn’t say it matters. I don’t give a toss, however it does seem a bit unfair on the owners who follow the “rules”.

Why?

 

[Basildog]

Does it really matter as long as there is plenty of room.
I know the 5 van limit is a planing thing another stupid planning law like the ones that prevent Aires.

I have seen quite a few posts recently where people have been reporting some of the certified sites to the greedy clubs
We pay a fiver at a farm in Derbyshire we use , it doesn’t bother us in any way when there’s a few more than 5

 

[138go]

With the greatest of respect - what has it got to do with you what the landowner appears to be doing?
If you're happy with your pitch & price...

It has zero to do with me. I just find the application of the rules “interesting”. Is that permitted?

 

[Langtoftlad]

It has zero to do with me.

So stirring then ?

I don’t give a toss,

But you obviously do

however it does seem a bit unfair on the owners who follow the “rules”.

Why not let them worry about it?

 

[138go]

Oh for goodness sake. Are you the posting police or something?

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[Langtoftlad]

What does the panel think?

Oh for goodness sake. Are you the posting police or something.

So you don't like what the 'panel' thinks, presumably because it doesn't agree with your point of view?

 

[138go]

Why are you goading me? I purely thought it was an interesting situation. I’ve told you I don’t care, I wouldn’t dream of reporting anything to anyone, I just thought it might be an interesting thing to discuss.

 

[Langtoftlad]

You thought it interesting, you asked for opinions, I can't help it if I don't.
Not goading, simply responding - as you're asking.

 

[138go]

You weren’t just giving an opinion on the subject of CLs and pitches, you picked up my posts and told me I was stirring, you told me I do give a toss, when I said I don’t. And you said “So you don't like what the 'panel' thinks, presumably because it doesn't agree with your point of view?” Even though apart from finding the application of rules interesting, I don’t really have a point of view.

Is finding something interesting a crime on Motorhome Fun? It’s not much fun on this thread, not for me anyway.

 

[Wildbill]

Think that last year things changed a bit farmer's were allowed to have camping.
As ther was a shortage of camp site's maybe cl's got sume leeway on pitches
Or extra exemptions don't know for sure maybe Jim could shed sum light on it
Bill

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[Quackers]

PLEASE chill out people.

 

[Langtoftlad]

 

[violet]

The forum has very recently had several threads about noise and behaviour on campsites.
One of the reasons for using CL sites is that they are small sites with a limited number of pitches. This means that they are generally quieter. If there is room then the five vans can have a bit more space and privacy. Very good reasons for not wanting them to arbitrarily increase the pitches they are allowed on their licences.

 

[Tea Bag]

138go.
Hi.
We were in Yorkshire at a CL.for the Wensleydale show . AGAIN.."DON'T GROAN ".......Years ago !! ( A must do ) We were in a Field BY CHOICE outside the CL site " Unthank Farm ". There must have been 6-7 of us in the field when MORE arrived. The Area. Bedale Leyburn etc was GRID LOCKED with people/c/vans and m/homes so the council had rung around the sites,PLEADING with them to take as many as possible to clear the roads... Its called BOOST THE AREAS TRADE. Could not fault them,as has been posted... "As long as there is enough space between units ". It was a super bank holiday treat. We had " Wilfy the Wolf " then, a Border Collie,there was a stream at the bottom of the field he liked to swim/paddle in. One of the c/vans from the Sheffield area had about 4 children with them. Unbeknown to us,the kids had made a DAM for him/them to paddle in.... They and Wilfy W. came up for dinner,after dinner,they came to the c/van and asked " Mr,can your dog come down and play with us ? "..." Yes ". This happened all over the bank holiday. We have a picture of long gone but not forgotten Wilfy Wolf when he came back one night. He is on his back,half in,half out of the awning....." Jiggered/worn out/exhausted,gone to the world. Thanks kids/middle aged men now.. One hand washes the other.
Tea Bag

 

[MisterB]

its not that difficult to rename part of a field as 'the pasture' and then another as 'the meadows' = two campsites in one field ..... or even one campsite in two adjoining fields - after all, just how big is a field ???

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[Riverbankannie]

We were on a farm CL recently near Holy Island. Do you mind staying on the spare pitch ? said the lady. Their site had a map with 5 pitches and one separate labelled spare pitch. I have not seen it before but very happy to pay up and stay.

 

[Conal]

Riverbankannie Recently we wanted to meet up with our three children who live in London, Nottingham, and Norwich respectively. Living near Stansted Airport we thought that, as the boys drive, Ely, being on the train line from Norwich for my daughter, would be a good idea. We rang a CL in Little Downham who were full but, like you, were allowed to stay on their spare pitch.
I understand comments re: keeping CLs and CS’s quiet but we’re thankful of this flexible approach.

 

[sedge]

In addition to designated by whoever pitches, providing there is room, it is my understanding that owners of sites can also have as many invited guests staying in their own caravans/mohos/tents as he happens to invite.

 

[DumfriesDik]

We have a local CS/CL, can't remember which, but they also have their own little set up for motorhomes and caravans in a different area. I know of another site that allows friends (as per sedge) to stay over in a different part of the field. These places are in the back of beyond and I like the idea that a locality can welcome motorhomers (and caravaners). The 5 unit rule does seem at odds with todays demands.

 

[poppycamper]

Quite a number of CL's/CS's I have been on also have what they call a "Rally Field", some with leccy.!

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[poppycamper]

In addition some CCC CL's accept tents which don't not appear in the restrictions... I.E. 5 moho's/caravans plus tents.
Now a lot of tents these days require leccy so owner is going to supply them so he could legally have more than 5 leccy points and once there silly not to make use of them for c'vans etc.

 

[Shrimp]

We’ve been on 5 van sites where there have been 6 or 7 vans but that is up to the owner, I suppose sometimes it can’t be helped!
I wouldn’t dream of saying anything as the CLs & CSs are very nice to have and there are not enough of them!

 

[rod_vw]

Just get over/under the Channel and see how small overnight camper stops should be run.
When it comes to owning and using a motorhome we I Britain are seen as cash cows. All caused by the big businesses that call themselves 'clubs'.

 

[Jim]

its not that difficult to rename part of a field as 'the pasture' and then another as 'the meadows' = two campsites in one field ..... or even one campsite in two adjoining fields - after all, just how big is a field ???

We would not exempt a landowner doing that, it's bang out of order An adjacent occasionally used rally field is OK. But two exempt sites for the same field is just blatant planning avoidance and taking the pee.

When issuing exemptions we try to build a good rapport with council planners as while they can’t really stop us issuing, they can really make life difficult. If we were to be seen to help land owners flout planning rules, that would not help our case at all.

The CL system is superb, it’s growing fast, and it’s a massive asset to the motorhome community. But at the stroke of an MPs pen, legislation can be amended. It’s easy to imagine that suddenly all exempt places need a council licence to operate like regular campsites. Especially tagged onto the back of environment issues (Waste Disposal) or health and Safety, (electricity and water provision) Insurance, breeches of CL rules, etc. This would get through parliament quick and easy, and don’t expect the big clubs to lobby against it. They would be all for it!

 

[Landy Andy]

I’m glad these people are being sensible and are not sticking to silly rules, and are having more available spaces.

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