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flatpackchicken

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Copied from another group but very important for all

As we hurtle towards 2019 and a new season of travel beckons a word of caution for those circumnavigating the dreaded M25, if you don't meet the Mayor of London's emissions regulations then NEVER divert inside the M25 for any reason. Choose only to divert outside the circumference and here's why, returning home from Dover to Cheshire via the south side of the M25 earlier this year I was confronted with a closure at Junction 9, I followed the official diversion which took me inside the M25 towards the A3. Unfortunately it was late in the evening and the diversion was set incorrectly (try proving that after the event) and yes you guessed it I went straight into the LEZ zone whilst trying to navigate in darkness, avoid bus lanes and watching speed limits changing from 20 to 40 m.p.h. regularly.
The following morning like a decent chap I contacted the call centre (in Darlington) to explain my poor behaviour and with fingers crossed hoped for a sensible fine and a wrap across the knuckles, wrong!
Instead I was faced with two options pay £200 for a day pass before 24hrs had elapsed or £1000 penalty charge notice reduced to £500 if paid within 14 days. My old van being 4250 kilos gross and only Euro 3.
"Can you please tell me if I have been captured by the cameras I asked?" Err no sir, we don't have that information here, so you want me to pay for something without being 100% sure I've actually used it? You can always wait for the penalty notice sir.
So I paid the £200 for the day and fumed for 3 weeks but got on with life. 4 weeks later a letter from Transport for London drops through the front door with a picture of the me at 00.05 mins the following day I'd paid for my day pass, yep they wanted another £1000 as their day pass system runs midnight to midnight!
Well I kicked, screamed, begged and reasoned but to no avail, just try and appeal it's futile I assure you.
I ended up paying £200 for a day pass for 11.15pm to midnight and £500 midnight to 00.05mins into the following day £700 total. You will NOT beat this system which is now set to double it's charges soon, so please watch out for this the next time you travel around the M25 folks.”
 
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Wow! That was really very bad luck indeed. Thanks for the warning. Gives me another reason to avoid the south east.
I must admit I see no pleasure in going to the SE of England and as for going inside the M25

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That is disgraceful. I wouldn’t go into London but I would use the M25 to head down to Dover .. I can’t see any other way.
 

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Thanks for the warning, I was just debating this morning whether to do chunnel (which involves me in the M25) or harwich- hook ferry!!
I’ve booked harwich ferry, sorry Eurotunnel, the LEZ nonsense has just done you out of the funds of a crossing, wonder how much more they will lose as a result of people avoiding the SE??

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That stinks. Who the hell dreams up this crap.? I try to avoid London, the M25 or anywhere close because of this rubbish and the inevitable delays and frustrations to travel

So I guess their actions are having the desired effect of keeping me away from London.
I live just inside the M25 and drive on the M25 most days, I don't see what the problem is. The LEZ zones are very clearly marked long before you arrive at the zone perimeter, ignore it at your peril. The emission zone is there for good reason so that our kids have a chance of breathing fresh air like you country folk. If you want to drive air polluting monsters then do your best to avoid highly populated areas where your exhaust gases are killing people....
 
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I live just inside the M25 and drive on the M25 most days, I don't see what the problem is. The LEZ zones are very clearly marked long before you arrive at the zone perimeter, ignore it at your peril. The emission zone is there for good reason so that our kids have a chance of breathing fresh air like you country folk. If you want to drive air polluting monsters then do your best to avoid highly populated areas where your exhaust gases are killing people....
Just as I said. I don't drive anywhere near London so all the kids who live there are safe. the LEZ is working on me.!
 
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Just as I said. I don't drive anywhere near London so all the kids who live there are safe. the LEZ is working on me.!
I think you are fooling yourself if you think London will be the first and last place to have emission restrictions, I'm sure the whole of Europe will be following suit so best address your polluter rather than driving miles out of your way just to avoid it.
 
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It's just another tax on those of us who were duped some years ago into buying diesels which were claimed to be greener, cleaner and better than petrol engines, and who have chosen to keep the vehicles, which are now being taxed to death, diesel is now 10p per litre more than petrol, (45p per gallon more)
Now the spin / hype / con is all about electric power, but where is all this "green" electricity going to come from??? and in 20 years or so will we have the same issues with disposing of the batteries etc and the de-commissioning of worn out power stations / solar farms / wind farms
I personally cannot see a practical long term solution unless we get rid of all forms of motive power and go back to horses etc and the general public do not travel anywhere.
Joe
 

tuscancouple

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To be fair the LEZ and ULEZ have both been established to reduce the air pollution levels for the millions of people who live in London. Why should they be subjected to high pollution because of "dirty" traffic? If your vehicle doesn't meet the current standard, keep away. There are loads of LEZ signs as you approach London, so turn around if the vehicle doesn't comply. They don't want your pollution!

Mick
 
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just been on GOV LEZ site and put all my three reg numbers in just to check, all came up as exempt.
Just for fun

My 2014 Fiesta - Exempt
My 2008 Merc - Liable
My 3 x motorbikes - Exempt. A real irony that as my 1977 GT380 blows out smoke like a goodun (being a two stroke) and burns fuel for a pastime, but because it's an historic vehicle by taxation class I guess that's why it is exempt.

Still going to avoid the M25 as best I can.
 
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As said before by @JA “ Just Tax Collection”

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As said before by @JA “ Just Tax Collection”
Correct. So if you don't mind paying you can still pollute. No benefit there to the atmosphere.

I got a French Crit Air sticker for my BMW tourer m'cycle just in case I went near any of the zones on a recent tour. About Euro4 posted to my home (for the life of the bike!!!!). Guess they made very little if any money on that and I can now pollute away as much as I like when in France. Please explain how that reduces pollution.
 
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To be fair the LEZ and ULEZ have both been established to reduce the air pollution levels for the millions of people who live in London. Why should they be subjected to high pollution because of "dirty" traffic? If your vehicle doesn't meet the current standard, keep away. There are loads of LEZ signs as you approach London, so turn around if the vehicle doesn't comply. They don't want your pollution!

Mick
If it was all so easy reading signs people would never get it wrong, just look how long rail bridges have been there with signs on saying how high they are and they still get hit. Now I don’t think people deliberately hit bridges or drive in pollution zones.
 

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I guess all the polluted air from the China, India and the like stops at the eastern E.U. border then. Just a tax then, otherwise if they really wanted “clean air” it would be a forbidden zone to all but electric vehicles charged up by the sun and the wind FGS:xdoh:
 

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If it was all so easy reading signs people would never get it wrong, just look how long rail bridges have been there with signs on saying how high they are and they still get hit. Now I don’t think people deliberately hit bridges or drive in pollution zones.

I'd argue that in both cases they are not paying attention to their driving!

Mick
 

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Correct. So if you don't mind paying you can still pollute. No benefit there to the atmosphere.

I got a French Crit Air sticker for my BMW tourer m'cycle just in case I went near any of the zones on a recent tour. About Euro4 posted to my home (for the life of the bike!!!!). Guess they made very little if any money on that and I can now pollute away as much as I like when in France. Please explain how that reduces pollution.
Got group 1 for both the cars, group 2 for M/H, travel a lot in France, yet to see one on French vehicle.

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I personally cannot see a practical long term solution unless we get rid of all forms of motive power and go back to horses etc and the general public do not travel anywhere.
Joe



In old London town before the coming of the Motorcar, Horses dumped 40 tons of manure everyday.
Now London is 100 times the size it was then, so pro rata! 4000 tons of poo per day, in the streets, combined with the several thousand tons of BS sprouted by the Polititians/Civil Service Wallahs/& Z list "celebs", London will be the Sh** capital of the world.

An apt description methinks.

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reason so that our kids have a chance of breathing fresh air like you country folk. If you want to drive air polluting monsters then do your best to avoid highly populated areas where your exhaust gases are killing people....
Hi @buttons .
This is NOT A SNIPE:xThumb:. "Fresh air in the country side..." Yes,that is true,one reason is we don't have double decker buses running nose to tail 24hrs a day.....Two a day in the village we left, Result. "London and Lascelles school person xroll:" She would move back up/down from wherever she is,but she would be moving on her OWN.... DON'T tell her,she might just do that,then who would warm my "Jim-Jams" before i went to bed?:xrofl::xrofl::xrofl::xrofl:.
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Jeeze!:xeek:

Someone I know committed suicide over a bill less than that. (And, yes, I am serious. The stress of dealing with demands became too great).

We used to visit regularly, using the C&MC site at Crystal Palace. Never again after your story.

Many, many thanks for the warning as we use the M25 frequently.:xThumb:

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I guess all the polluted air from the China, India and the like stops at the eastern E.U. border then. Just a tax then,
Hi.
Derbyshire had printed on letterheading. "Derbyshire a Nuclear Free Zone " When Chernobyl brewed up,the sheep used to GLOW in the dark up in the Peak:xeek::xeek:
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To be fair the LEZ and ULEZ have both been established to reduce the air pollution levels for the millions of people who live in London. Why should they be subjected to high pollution because of "dirty" traffic? If your vehicle doesn't meet the current standard, keep away. There are loads of LEZ signs as you approach London, so turn around if the vehicle doesn't comply. They don't want your pollution!

Mick
ive just had this argument on facebook.The ulex starts here next year and 2 out of three of my vehicles dont comply when i moaned about this i was accused of being a baby murderer my respones was ok i will wait till it starts and pay my £12.50 a day then i can legally murder your babies
 
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You might be pleased to know that it is not just you in transit who are being penalised, my brother living in North Harrow just a quarter of a mile inside the zone. He only ever drove his van out of the zone never in. He had had the van from new and liked everything about it but keeping the same van would have cost him a small fortune so at great expense he traded it for a compliant vehicle. No other option.

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