Banning pub stops??

[chaser]

So why don't they? Or does it cost money?

Do you think they would get one? Better having nothing to do with councils.

 

[Terry]

Do you think they would get one? Better having nothing to do with councils.

I’ll bet most haven’t bothered for the last 10 year’s so why would they get one now?
I have not heard of one getting fined or visited by any kind of enforcement.

 

[Barriesimpson]

Do you think they would get one? Better having nothing to do with councils.

I don't know, that's why I ask. If it's the solution, surely it has to be worth trying?

 

[JockandRita]

Why can't all types be available to the paying (or not) customer. A pub stop and a meal probably amounts to more than a site stop with home made food. Surely there are customers for all, competition is healthy in any business and it keeps you on your toes to offer what the customer is looking for. I really don't understand this 'over regulation' that Europe seems hell bent on.

I would rather hand £50 over the bar to a pub landlord for a meal and a couple of drinks each, and stay over in the car park, than pay a Campsite £40 to be stuck out in the sticks somewhere with facilities we don't need.

Does that change the fire risk?

Ian

It does change it Ian, ie, because overnighting in the beach huts is not permitted, that in turn removes a sleeping risk, therefore non occupancy reduces the fire risk.

HTH,

Jock.

 

[chaser]

I don't know, that's why I ask. If it's the solution, surely it has to be worth trying?

All it would do is alert the council that they are trying to do it and would just get banned and stopped doing what they are now.

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[Barriesimpson]

I would rather hand £50 over the bar to a pub landlord for a meal and a couple of drinks each, and stay over in the car park, than pay a Campsite £40 to be stuck out in the sticks somewhere with facilities we don't need.

I think I would too, plus it would save me cooking - after all surely the chef needs a day off too...

 

[Barriesimpson]

All it would do is alert the council that they are trying to do it and would just get banned and stopped doing what they are now.

You seem to have no faith in the goodwill of the council..... are they not there to help out the people of their constituency and foment local business and well being?

 

[GJH]

So why don't they? Or does it cost money?

It probably would cost money and would certainly involve effort. There could well be insurance implications and landlords of managed houses may well have to obtain consent from the brewery/chain owners.

I’ll bet most haven’t bothered for the last 10 year’s so why would they get one now?
I have not heard of one getting fined or visited by any kind of enforcement.

The OP indicates that enforcement (in Bridlington at least) may be on the rise.

The fact is that many people (landlords and customers) decide that they will ignore the legislation because it doesn't suit them (whilst at the same time railing against people who do the same with other legislation) and (like the OP) complain as if they are the innocent party when caught out

 

[Howard B]

Just fell across this video from By The Curb - not someone I have ever watched before. He frequently goes to Bridlington, stays in pub stops. Has now discovered several bubs having been told cant take vans any more!!

Whilst we dont use pub stops i know a lot do. goodness knows what the issue is, just hope it doesnt spread.

Looks like the Landlord of the Seabirds pub is challenging the decision. Taken from their Facebook page 10/4/2025....

Just a little update on the motorhome issue I've recently had a meeting with our local MP and councillor and I'm pleased to say they are on my side and are investigating this issue I will keep updating you all as things progress letters of support would help a great deal
Thanks to everyone who has shown there support and messages of encouragement the fight will go on .

 

[GJH]

Looks like the Landlord of the Seabirds pub is challenging the decision. Taken from their Facebook page 10/4/2025....

Just a little update on the motorhome issue I've recently had a meeting with our local MP and councillor and I'm pleased to say they are on my side and are investigating this issue I will keep updating you all as things progress letters of support would help a great deal
Thanks to everyone who has shown there support and messages of encouragement the fight will go on .

Hopefully it will result in a clear statement of what the current legislation requires and one which is easy for all to understand. Then, if anyone doesn't like the result, they can lobby to achieve change as is the proper process in the system we live under.

EDIT: I notice that one of the first responses on the 1 April Facebook thread recommends that the pub obtain a CL certificate - but there is no response from the landlord to that suggestion.

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[Terry]

It probably would cost money and would certainly involve effort. There could well be insurance implications and landlords of managed houses may well have to obtain consent from the brewery/chain owners.

The OP indicates that enforcement (in Bridlington at least) may be on the rise.

The fact is that many people (landlords and customers) decide that they will ignore the legislation because it doesn't suit them (whilst at the same time railing against people who do the same with other legislation) and (like the OP) complain as if they are the innocent party when caught out

Like I said in my other post they have ignored the law for the last ten years so why would you think they would change? Sure Brid is doing something but will it go country wide ? Or simply North Yorkshire area ?

 

[GJH]

Like I said in my other post they have ignored the law for the last ten years so why would you think they would change? Sure Brid is doing something but will it go country wide ? Or simply North Yorkshire area ?

Just looked at the Seabirds original thread on Facebook and there is a mention that similar enforcement has taken place in Lincolnshire. Whether that indicates a country wide initiative remains to be seen.

 

[chaser]

Are any of these pubs in britstops? Have they got a say in this?

 

[Terry]

Are any of these pubs in britstops? Have they got a say in this?

Cannot see what could be said pubs don’t have member/membership so depends how you interpret the law in that you can only allow members to stay@GJH ?

 

[meanders]

Surely it would apply to all types of Britstops venues?

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[GJH]

Are any of these pubs in britstops? Have they got a say in this?

Britstops should be free to voice their opinion if they wish. However, as Britstops is not a club which can issue exemption certificates then they would only have the same standing as any of the rest of us.

Cannot see what could be said pubs don’t have member/membership so depends how you interpret the law in that you can only allow members to stay@GJH ?

If a pub has a certificate and runs as a CL then it would be restricted (under current interpretation as discussed in another thread) to members of the certificating club.

Surely it would apply to all types of Britstops venues?

Yes.

 

[cyberyacht]

You can't beat a good dose of bureaucracy. Somehow virtually every village in France has an aire which is seen as an asset to the community whilst in the UK one is faced with what is tantamount to a siege mentality. Then they wonder why their communities are dying.

 

[Terry]

I fail to see the problem. Jim has made his interpretation of the law clear in the other thread. He has decided not to risk his / Funs ability to issue certificates /hold rallies by simply following the law as he sees it, thus he is limiting it to members -job done! -it was suggested, make non members temporarily members but I have not seen a reply to that. Easy answer is if people other than members want to stay they pay the £20 membership and get all the benefits of the club plus at £10 a night a very cheap stay in sunny Sutton on sea

 

[Lenny HB]

Out of interest, how far apart is each wooden beach hut from its neighbours either side?
Might any of them have cooking facilities contained within?

Ian

If you are lucky as much a 2 foot, we used to have one. Terms on the lease on the bit beach states no cooking or gas cylinders inside beach huts but I've never seen one without a gas stove inside.

 

[Lenny HB]

Since most pubs where people might do an overnight stop are fairly likely to be in a relatively remote country road somewhere, I would imagine the probability of any form of enforcement must be pretty close to zero.

Nope, we have stayed at a few in towns as it gives us a place to stop where we want to be.

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[GJH]

You can't beat a good dose of bureaucracy. Somehow virtually every village in France has an aire which is seen as an asset to the community whilst in the UK one is faced with what is tantamount to a siege mentality. Then they wonder why their communities are dying.

Nothing to do with bureaucracy or a siege mentality. Simply that the UK has developed differently and has evolved different laws. Legislation is, of course, always open to amendment but it takes sufficient people wanting such amendment and nobody has put together such a group in this case.

 

[GJH]

I fail to see the problem. Jim has made his interpretation of the law clear in the other thread. He has decided not to risk his / Funs ability to issue certificates /hold rallies by simply following the law as he sees it, thus he is limiting it to members -job done! -it was suggested, make non members temporarily members but I have not seen a reply to that. Easy answer is if people other than members want to stay they pay the £20 membership and get all the benefits of the club plus at £10 a night a very cheap stay in sunny Sutton on sea

The interpretation of whether exemptions should be restricted to members only is a different matter and, as you say, properly dealt with on the other thread.
The "banning of pub stops" deals with locations that have no exemption so would still apply even if the locations started membership schemes.

 

[Neilh]

I believe that there are certain influencial North Yorkshire councillors that don't like motorhomes (the MH community has given them ammo with poor behaviour) . They have banned them in Helmsley, Scarborough, Brid, Whitby. My opinion is that it's easier to ban something than to put in a robust management policy and police it properly and that as a community we need to lobby for our cause.

 

[The Wino]

I believe that there are certain influencial North Yorkshire councillors that don't like motorhomes (the MH community has given them ammo with poor behaviour) . They have banned them in Helmsley, Scarborough, Brid, Whitby. My opinion is that it's easier to ban something than to put in a robust management policy and police it properly and that as a community we need to lobby for our cause.

We live very near Whitby. From talking to the general population all the local politicians are doing is responding to the views of their constituents who are generally anti motorhome

 

[GJH]

I believe that there are certain influencial North Yorkshire councillors that don't like motorhomes (the MH community has given them ammo with poor behaviour) . They have banned them in Helmsley, Scarborough, Brid, Whitby. My opinion is that it's easier to ban something than to put in a robust management policy and police it properly and that as a community we need to lobby for our cause.

NY can't be blamed for Brid though, it's in East Yorkshire
As far as Helmsley goes the report detailing the reasons is still online.

We live very near Whitby. From talking to the general population all the local politicians are doing is responding to the views of their constituents who are generally anti motorhome

In addition there is the long standing planning condition for the former Scarborough borough (see previous threads over the years).

Hopefully the (relatively) new NY unitary authority will give the subject proper consideration (as per Para 2.1.ii of the Ryedale report referenced above). Local residents could help ensure they do by lobbying their local councillors.

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[Neilh]

We live very near Whitby. From talking to the general population all the local politicians are doing is responding to the views of their constituents who are generally anti motorhome

I’d argue that Motorhomes and Caravans contribute a lot to Whitby’s footfall and income, they stay overnight and support the catering businesses, whilst many go only for the day.

N

 

[Neilh]

NY can't be blamed for Brid though, it's in East Yorkshire
As far as Helmsley goes the report detailing the reasons is still online.

In addition there is the long standing planning condition for the former Scarborough borough (see previous threads over the years).

Hopefully the (relatively) new NY unitary authority will give the subject proper consideration (as per Para 2.1.ii of the Ryedale report referenced above). Local residents could help ensure they do by lobbying their local councillors.

Good point, East Yorkshire, we don’t go there .

Hopefully in the case of Helmsley they find a workable solution, if they had fully enforced the rules they would have got a lot of income from the parking fines and transgressors would think again.

As far as I know there’s no camping site within walking distance of Helmsley. It’s a shame we use to park at Helmsley, walk to Reiveaux and have a dinner.

Sorry for the drift from the pub ban!
N

 

[The Wino]

I’d argue that Motorhomes and Caravans contribute a lot to Whitby’s footfall and income, they stay overnight and support the catering businesses, whilst many go only for the day.

N

I'd say that too but I was saying what the locals opinion is not that it's necessarily correct! It's the same with opinions on how many properties are holiday lets and house prices for locals etc here and in many other tourist areas.

 

[GJH]

I’d argue that Motorhomes and Caravans contribute a lot to Whitby’s footfall and income, they stay overnight and support the catering businesses, whilst many go only for the day.

N

I'd say that too but I was saying what the locals opinion is not that it's necessarily correct! It's the same with opinions on how many properties are holiday lets and house prices for locals etc here and in many other tourist areas.

A very brief summary of the situation that faced Scarborough Borough Council about years ago (there are more details in the various threads on Fun from the time). SBC actually looked at promoting a scheme whereby overnight camping would be allowed in some of their car parks. That, though, would have required extra planning consent and when the matter was examined it was discovered that it would breach a long standing planning policy that prevented the creation of caravan sites within the areas of SBC where the car parks are located. That policy had been used over the years to turn down applications from several private companies/individuals. If SBC had given itself planning consent despite that then it would have been faced with legal action from unsuccessful applicants for not being even handed.

 

[Steve and Denise]

Well this evenings pubstop quite nice food beer and wine £110, was it worth it ? That’s another story I could have stuck to the mid week special, homemade pie mash and peas @£15 including a pint but chose a bit more, if I had opted for the official site it would have been £40 camping fee and cook my own.
You tell me a landlord who is going to refuse trade like that?

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