90 days EU and how quickly pre Brexit can you return to an EU country

[berlingo1]

Hi is there a definitive answer, not just opinion, re staying for 90 days in the EU Schengen area, returning to the UK overnight then back to the EU the next day. Please send a link to your information as I can't find a definitive text anywhere.

 

[bigtwin]

You appear not to recognise that it’s a rolling 90 in 180 day period.

Your one day return would simply buy you a further one day back in the EU.

Ian

 

[berlingo1]

I think this only applies after brexit

 

[Flamenca]

berlingo1 This may be of help:

Schengen-calculator

 

[berlingo1]

Only applies to non EU citizens that need a visa.

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[DBK]

It's 90 days in any 180 which means if you have been in Schengin for 90 days you will have to stay out of it for 90 before you can return.

It is an existing rule and is applied, the clock starts when your passport is scanned when you enter say at Calais or wherever.

In theory there are visas for longer stays but even the EU's own website says these are very hard to get.

I met a US couple in France last year who had shipped their RV over from the States. They weren't poor so must have examined all the available options but were resigned to only being able to stay three months.

Here's one link. Google will find you others. Note the bit in here that after 90 days you have to be out for another 90.

90/180 days rule

90 180 days rule

www.euro-dollar-currency.com

 

[klaatu]

Schengen has nothing to do with it (pre-Brexit). As an EU citizen, you can stay in another EU country for as long as you want. You may need to report your presence, or register after a period of time.

Residence rights when living abroad in the EU - Your Europe

Rights and requirements for lawful residence of EU nationals in another EU country: workers, students, pensioners, jobseekers etc.

europa.eu

 

[AXO66]

Only applies to non EU citizens that need a visa.

Thought that will be us (if and when) we leave. Will be a non EU citizen

EU said UK citizens won’t need a travel visa but still limited to the 90 days in every 180 so the calculator should give some idea of this benefit of leaving. Stamped and out on the border.

hope I’m wrong though

 

[berlingo1]

Currently UK citizens have freedom of movement and unlimited entry into the Schengen area. The restrictions are that after 90 days you must apply for a temporary residents permit or leave. What I'm trying to find out is that if leaving for a day ( out of the Schengen area) can I legitimately start another 90 stretch if I return after a day?
I know it may change after brexit but if there is a transition period the current status will apply.

 

[DBK]

I think this only applies after brexit

Yes of course it does. Not a problem now although there is a rule about having to register after 90 days but this seems to be widely ignored as very hard to enforce.

Put simply, you can spend 6 months or more in Spain if you want to while we are in the EU. After Brexit you will be limited to a maximum of 90 days.

I'm not aware the transition period will retain the right for a longer stay than 90 days as the UK government plans to apply restrictions on EU citizens as soon as it can.

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[Brains]

Currently UK citizens have freedom of movement and unlimited entry into the Schengen area. The restrictions are that after 90 days you must apply for a temporary residents permit or leave. What I'm trying to find out is that if leaving for a day ( out of the Schengen area) can I legitimately start another 90 stretch if I return after a day?
I know it may change after brexit but if there is a transition period the current status will apply.

"Officially" it's 90 days within 180 days.

In reality most countries in the EU do not strictly enforce this unless you fall foul of the law.
Both my sisters lived in mainland Europe for many years.
They made a point of keeping airline tickets for years to prove they had left the country on a regular basis.

What it means is that as a UK citizen (before Brexit) is you can only spend 3 months on the mainland before you have to leave for 3 months and then return.
(Unless you register as a citizen of that country in the meantime)

After Brexit - The default rule will be to treat UK goods and citizens the same as South African goods and citizens until such time as something else is agreed.

 

[berlingo1]

I know we can register in the country we are staying if over 90 days. I would just like to know after 90 days how long do we have to go to a non Schengen country eg UK before we can travel for another 90 days without registration to another Schengen country

 

[spitfire]

I know we can register in the country we are staying if over 90 days. I would just like to know after 90 days how long do we have to go to a non Schengen country eg UK before we can travel for another 90 days without registration to another Schengen country

90 days out

 

[berlingo1]

Please note. The 90 days out of 180 rule does NOT apply to UK citizens. We have freedom of movement and unlimited entry to the shengen area to stay as long as you like but only if you register in the country you are in. The 90/180 rule applies to non eu citizens that need a visa to visit.
Both UK and EU have agreed that during the transition period, assuming there is one, the existing rules will apply. After transition we will fall under the 90/180 day rule but won't need a visa but will probably need an online travel permit similar to an ESTA for the U SA

 

[berlingo1]

This is the link to the ETIAS online permit
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[JJ]

"Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn..."


JJ

 

[DBK]

Please note. The 90 days out of 180 rule does NOT apply to UK citizens. We have freedom of movement and unlimited entry to the shengen area to stay as long as you like but only if you register in the country you are in. The 90/180 rule applies to non eu citizens that need a visa to visit.
Both UK and EU have agreed that during the transition period, assuming there is one, the existing rules will apply. After transition we will fall under the 90/180 day rule but won't need a visa but will probably need an online travel permit similar to an ESTA for the U SA

Yes. That's what is generally accepted on here although the unknown is whether visas to stay more than 90 days will be easily available. As I mentioned earlier the EU itself states they are hard to get. I guess it will be down to whether the UK offers a reciprocal visa.

And you are right about the transition period, unless it has changed in the latest WAB we should be able to travel freely next year.

This link is a bit old but I haven't heard things have changed. It clearly states FOM remains during transition.

 

[nicholsong]

ATTENTION!

Please note that Berlingo's question was about Pre-Brexit i.e. Now.

Most of the replies have focussed on post Brexit.

I think that the rules about staying for less than 90 days in any country and returning a few days later may be controlled under that country's immigration rules. rather than EU or Schengen rules.

Geoff

 

[Camping Gaza]

"Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn..."


JJ

Yeah but you will after brexit. Unless you have residency in Portugal. It worries the hell out of me I can tell you. I have a house in the EU I may not be able to live in soon. That will make me homeless as I have no home in the UK. What the hell do I do?

 

[bobandjanie]

Janie says:

Right if it all comes in and is enforced and you are a UK resident, the easy way to calculate it is, as far as I can see.

You must be in the UK for 90 of every 180 days on a rolling pattern.

And on another point. Yes at the moment you can be in another EU country for longer than the 90 days BUT you could well, temporarily, lose access to the NHS, and you may be risking vehicle regstration problems and insurance (personal and vehicle) problems too, dependant on the length of time you are away from the UK or staying in any one particular country.
Janie

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[JJ]

Yeah but you will after brexit.

Not me...

I am not leaving the EU.

I have applied for Portugese citizenship. My hearing is in February...

My lawyer says he reckons I'll have no problems.

JJ

PS. I am pretty sure you will still be able to live in your EU house after Brexit (if it ever actually happens which I doubt).

 

[spitfire]

Yeah but you will after brexit. Unless you have residency in Portugal. It worries the hell out of me I can tell you. I have a house in the EU I may not be able to live in soon. That will make me homeless as I have no home in the UK. What the hell do I do?

Apply for a Titre de Sejour

 

[DBK]

ATTENTION!

Please note that Berlingo's question was about Pre-Brexit i.e. Now.

Most of the replies have focussed on post Brexit.

I think that the rules about staying for less than 90 days in any country and returning a few days later may be controlled under that country's immigration rules. rather than EU or Schengen rules.

Geoff

Yes I see that now. But because there are no border checks say between France and Spain the rule of having to register after 90 days in one country seems to be widely disregarded. If someone fell seriously foul of the law I guess they might be asked to show evidence they had been in another country. This is for visitors if course, if someone is working in a country different set of circumstances.

 

[nicholsong]

Not me...

I am not leaving the EU.

I have applied for Portugese citizenship. My hearing is in February...

My lawyer says he reckons I'll have no problems.

JJ

PS. I am pretty sure you will still be able to live in your EU house after Brexit (if it ever actually happens which I doubt).

You say you have applied for Portugese Citizenship which might have stricter requirements than applying for 'Residence'

I want to apply for Polish Residence but they are refusing an application, because as a current EU Citizen I do not need it.

I think I will apply on the form for Non-EU Residents, for which I qualify, and see what the result is.

Geoff

 

[klaatu]

We got our Titres de Séjour recently (not currently required, but we were advised to apply). Seems like we may have to apply for different ones post-Brexit, as the ones we have are for EU/EEA/Swiss nationals, but that should be a formality. In less than 4 years we hope to be French citizens.

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[GWAYGWAY]

I do not care as after a couple of weeks or so, one of us would be dead and the other given a long time residence all costs paid in whatever that country was.

 

[spitfire]

We got our Titres de Séjour recently (not currently required, but we were advised to apply). Seems like we may have to apply for different ones post-Brexit, as the ones we have are for EU/EEA/Swiss nationals, but that should be a formality. In less than 4 years we hope to be French citizens.

Yes if you have a 10 year permanent then it is an exchange .
Had my nationality dossier accepted so waiting for the gendarme interview and prefecture interview too . With trepidation I might add lol

 

[nicholsong]

Yes if you have a 10 year permanent then it is an exchange .
Had my nationality dossier accepted so waiting for the gendarme interview and prefecture interview too . With trepidation I might add lol

Don't forget to take a photo with you - the one from HMP Stangeways will do.

 

[spitfire]

????

 

[berlingo1]

Thanks nicolsong re PRE Brexit query. I think most people saw it as "Brexit".

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