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I can assure you that they exist .Transit connects changed in 2007 from chains to a wet belt. horrific system
Transits, fiest, focus ,etc all have them
28,000 miles between oil changes!
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Transits, fiest, focus ,etc all have them
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Built in maintenance work then
Mind you some VAG vehicles run cabling in the sump and Land Rover thought it a good idea to run cabling in the rocker box.
The mind boggles
it states on my trip computer that a service is required in 14,000 miles, I’m changing the oil next week…
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Tiny particles of the belt material gradually deposited into the oil, eventually blocking the sump gauge pick up filter, resulting in oil starvation to the engine.
PSA also use the system on their 1.2 three cylinder engine. I understand different cambelt material was introduced to prevent this and checking/cleaning of the pick up gauze. Most people wouldn’t be checking the pick up gauze in the sump.
Not a very reliable system.
PSA also use the system on their 1.2 three cylinder engine. I understand different cambelt material was introduced to prevent this and checking/cleaning of the pick up gauze. Most people wouldn’t be checking the pick up gauze in the sump.
Not a very reliable system.
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I've heard you've also got to use a very specific oil that doesn't attack the belt rubber... and once the car is a few years old, owners just chuck on generic 5W20 which may or may not cause premature failures.
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We have a superb Toyota Vellfire with a Superb V6 2GR-FE Toyota Lexus Engine.
The oil is 0w-20 Fully Synthetic
After a year and 10,000 miles. It almost comes out the same as it went in.
I feel like popping it into the fiat Moho !
The oil is 0w-20 Fully Synthetic
After a year and 10,000 miles. It almost comes out the same as it went in.
I feel like popping it into the fiat Moho !
Engines contain tons of ideas that sound bonkers. Putting the exhaust back in the engine to reduce emissions? Having chains continuously rub against plastic guides? Using intake vacuum to make your brakes work? Adjusting valve timing with oil pressure? Using electronics to control a gearbox with no mechanical interlocks against catastrophic failure?chain/cambelt
wet/dry
who comes up with these ideas ?
Ah ! Engineers
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Is that a diesel engine?
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To be fair, my brother bought one off a good mate of mine who is a used van dealer.Taught at Uni no doubt without any hands on experience
Engine failed
I think Ive mentioned this before here. It had done big miles but was out of my mates warranty and of course fords. My mate said take it into ford. Ford carried out the work free of charge.
Remember years ago when I was 26 I bought a new Sapphire Cosworth and when it went into a Ford garage for its second service I went to collect it and looked at the invoice, thought that is cheap!
They had put normal oil in it rather than the Mobil 1 fully synthetic
Can just imagine what that would have done to the engine
Still confused though with all these different numbers of oils
Put fully synthetic in my RD 400 once and the clutch was slipping like mad had to put new plates in
They had put normal oil in it rather than the Mobil 1 fully synthetic
Can just imagine what that would have done to the engine
Still confused though with all these different numbers of oils
Put fully synthetic in my RD 400 once and the clutch was slipping like mad had to put new plates in
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The additives that make the modern day oil very slippery, is exactly what you don't want in a wet friction drive clutch system, as in most motorcycle gearboxes.Remember years ago when I was 26 I bought a new Sapphire Cosworth and when it went into a Ford garage for its second service I went to collect it and looked at the invoice, thought that is cheap!
They had put normal oil in it rather than the Mobil 1 fully synthetic
Can just imagine what that would have done to the engine
Still confused though with all these different numbers of oils
Put fully synthetic in my RD 400 once and the clutch was slipping like mad had to put new plates in
Mike.
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Still confused though with all these different numbers of oils
Put fully synthetic in my RD 400 once and the clutch was slipping like mad had to put new plates in
Don’t worry about the numbers just make sure you put in the makers spec.
Doesn’t have to have Fiat, Ford etc etc on the bottle though
I had a Ducati 750ss back a good few years.
Oil spec was semi synthetic as the engine was old technology and using fully synthetic could cause it harm
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or mine.Fair play but it doesn’t make it a good design in my view
I am no Engineer (So I am informed)
But I have re-built a few engines with the help of mates. From when I worked in Karting re-building Villers 210's, Austin. leyland engines and work on most of our own vehicles where I can.
The belt in these engines must be a soaking rotting rag.
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I'm loving this.
First they don't exist, then they do.
Is it a chain or is it a belt?
Semi or full?
Change oil when the manufacture says or not?
When I check the carb on my two stroke, I always look to see what's at the bottom of the float bowl. Likewise when I drain the oil from an engine, I always check to see what settles at the bottom of the drain tray.
That gives me a good indication that I've changed it at the right time.....or not.
First they don't exist, then they do.
Is it a chain or is it a belt?
Semi or full?
Change oil when the manufacture says or not?
When I check the carb on my two stroke, I always look to see what's at the bottom of the float bowl. Likewise when I drain the oil from an engine, I always check to see what settles at the bottom of the drain tray.
That gives me a good indication that I've changed it at the right time.....or not.
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Result!Oil in a diesel engine looks like that after about 3 miles.
I checked the oil today after the three mile trip to the mot station and back and it's still translucent.
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My oil and filters get changed, by me, a month before it's yearly MOT. (a month before just in case anything else needs attention.)
PS. With 61,000mls on the clock and 8000 a year, I do not have to add a drop between yearly oil changes.
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Havent you?
Its the Ford Panther engine, Peugeot use a wet belt on their 1.2 engines too, pretty sure their are others.
Been around for quite a few years.
Apology accepted
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If the manufacturer engineer a vehicle to last say 150,000 miles with 28000 miles between changes what are you going to gain by doing it more often? Make it last 300,000 miles? Will you be keeping the motorhome that long?
Motorhomes are generally driven quite gentley. These vans are designed for commercial use. It will be fine following the scheduled servicing.
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As long as you use 0W-30 any reputable oil will do. Doesn't need to be Selienia from Fiat. That's them just trying to make stupid money on oil.
They don’t. They design, manufacture, and sell a vehicles which will go three years, or the period that they provide a warranty on it, and a bit beyond. The manufacturers don’t want vehicles to last years and mega mileage. They want to sell you another vehicle. It’s the same thing with non service gearbox and the like, where a new industries has been developed to keep these vehicles going. Otherwise thousands of vehicles would be being scrapped, or required costly components. The further apart their service the more appealing it is to the buyer. It’s not the best for the engine, or other parts. If it says 28000 that is its maximum, not its best. All you are doing is wasting a small amount of money (in relative terms) to prolong the life of the vehicle, by changing the oil earlier.
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Exactly. Plus extended service intervals exist to tempt fleet buyers due to lower maintenance costs in the early years that the vehicles will be in the fleet. If a manufacturer extends the service interval beyond that of competitors then they may increase fleet sales (and parts/repair income in later years).
As to these vehicles being 'designed for commercial use' both engines currently available in the Sevel derivatives were lifted straight from cars.
As to these vehicles being 'designed for commercial use' both engines currently available in the Sevel derivatives were lifted straight from cars.
But it's extremely unlikely that frequently changing my oil now will have any effect on reliability until the van is 15 years old and has done 100k miles. By which time, it's changed hands several times and not all owners have been as zealous with the changes.
If you've run the engine from new and you're intending to keep it for a looong time, then maybe it's worth while. But it won't add value in resale. And frequently changing oil on an engine that's already varnished up won't reverse the build up.
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I read somewhere that the 1 litre Ford ecotec engine was designed to be a "consumable" item, once it wore out, you just dropped another one in, but it's had that many problems within the warranty period that they're having to have a rethink about it.
Yes, engineers designed it, but under instruction from accountants no doubt ?
Yes, engineers designed it, but under instruction from accountants no doubt ?
I do keep my vehicles, and I believe as someone who has worked in the motor trade and rebuilt many engines that frequently changed oil will benefit and old engine. I can’t see where 15 years has come from or 100k. Oil can last a long time, but it can also easily be compromised, especially with modern emissions equipment. I understand to those that buy a vehicle and then only plan to keep it a few years to do the minimum of service to it, but then they quote this is due to saving money, when they are wasting far more money swapping vehicles every few years.
Most cars never make it to 100k miles. So it's mostly a non issue in those applications. Putting the same system in a van is more of a problem.
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