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It appears all is not lost in what many of us wish to continue as we did previously,spending the winter in warmer climes etc. The rolling appears to be gathering pace and a letter to your MP wouldn't do any harm. Any support is welcome.

It appears all is not lost for those of us who want to spend the Winter in warmer climes. I do believe this is gathering pace and a letter to your MP asking for support would go a long way.

The campaign to secure 180 days visa free travel in any 360 days is covered in the latest edition of English French newspaper Connexions . The article reads :

A campaign by holiday home-owners, campervan enthusiasts, and others who enjoy long visits to France is gaining support after lobbying MPs.
The 180 days visa-free campaign opposes the rule that Britons, like other “third-country citizens”, will be allowed only 90 days in any 180 in the EU after the Brexit transition period. Obtaining a visa for longer stays would be costly and time-consuming. Instead, campaigners want UK Brexit negotiators to ask for British visitors to be able to spend up to half a year in the EU visa-free, as Britons can do now without becoming resident. They say dozens of UK and French MPs have recognised the strength of their argument.

Visitors to the UK from many states, such as the US, Brazil and Japan, are able to come visa-free for up to 180 days, they claim, saying that the UK should offer the same to EU citizens in exchange for reciprocity. Campaign founder and retired teacher Steven Jolly, from Bradford, said: “Some people might see us as a privileged group and not a priority. But second home-owners are not a privileged elite. I was a teacher and having a second home in France involved sacrifice, and we have other members who are retired firefighters, nurses, or manual workers. Mobile home-owners are affected too. Also, people who have a boat that they sail around the inland waterways of France.”
Those affected are often retired but include businesspeople with flexibility to spend part of their time in France. He said the campaign had had mixed messages from ministers. The UK’s prime minister told them the “full scope of the arrangements [for visitors], including provision for those with second homes in the EU, are a matter for negotiation”, but FCO minister Wendy Morton said asking for 180 days a year is not part of the UK’s strategy.

Mr Jolly said that, applying the 90/180 day rule, it would be theoretically possible to stay 180 days per year in France, but he likes to stay in the warmer months, which would be complicated. “I’ve been to my house in Pays-de-la-Loire in the winter, but it’s cold and most people there shut their houses up. Sometimes you need to go back to your second home when it wasn’t planned, or stay longer than expected. One time, I hurt my foot and couldn’t drive. With 90/180, if your time is up, you have a problem.”
 
Brexit negotiations are, in essence, over, subject to the negotiations about the NI Protocol. UK is a Third Country that chose to leave the EU where Freedom of Travel for what was, in practical terms, possible for unlimited timescales. Why would the EU waste time setting up another Treaty [that UK can then use to reopen negotiations with the EU ...] to deal with the desires of a relatively small number of 2nd Home Owners and Motorhomers? [and I fall into both categories]? Third Country Nationals can visit EU countries for 180 days each year under the existing Regs, but not at convenient times for the 2nd Home Owners ...

And as for writing to your MP ... The UK Government boasts regularly about having ended Freedom of Movement, so good luck with that one whilst they have a majority of about 80

Steve
 
Brexit negotiations are, in essence, over, subject to the negotiations about the NI Protocol. UK is a Third Country that chose to leave the EU where Freedom of Travel for what was, in practical terms, possible for unlimited timescales. Why would the EU waste time setting up another Treaty [that UK can then use to reopen negotiations with the EU ...] to deal with the desires of a relatively small number of 2nd Home Owners and Motorhomers? [and I fall into both categories]? Third Country Nationals can visit EU countries for 180 days each year under the existing Regs, but not at convenient times for the 2nd Home Owners ...

And as for writing to your MP ... The UK Government boasts regularly about having ended Freedom of Movement, so good luck with that one whilst they have a majority of about 80

Steve
What’s wrong with showing some support, if it’s not for you pass the thread by.
I and l am sure a few others are not interested in your negative view.
 
Not sure where the idea that tourists from the States, Brazil etc get 180 day stays comes from? No evidence of that on the French Govt website. Cake and eat it comes to mind . . . . .

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Not sure where the idea that tourists from the States, Brazil etc get 180 day stays comes from? No evidence of that on the French Govt website. Cake and eat it comes to mind . . . . .
No it means visitors to the UK not France 👍
 
It appears all is not lost for those of us who want to spend the Winter in warmer climes. I do believe this is gathering pace and a letter to your MP asking for support would go a long way
I have already written to our MP but no reply as yet 😊 as you say well worth asking the question and don’t get to bothered by the negative comments there are always a few😊
 
What’s wrong with showing some support, if it’s not for you pass the thread by.
I and l am sure a few others are not interested in your negative view.
Confusing negative comments with reality?

Steve
 
Small Numbers! There upwards of 800k homeowners in Spain and a similar amount in France not counting Italy,Greece etc.
'Relatively small numbers', please quote correctly. Taking the UK working population as a proxy, there are about 30 million adults in UK, and the articles about the rights of UK citizens in EU used to refer to 'the 3 million', so, at best 10%. And this ignores those who have chosen to complete residence applications for France, Spain et al to retain their Freedom of Movement

Steve
 
'Relatively small numbers', please quote correctly. Taking the UK working population as a proxy, there are about 30 million adults in UK, and the articles about the rights of UK citizens in EU used to refer to 'the 3 million', so, at best 10%. And this ignores those who have chosen to complete residence applications for France, Spain et al to retain their Freedom of Movement

Steve
Hey if you don't want to spend any more than 90 days in the shenzhen zone nobody will stop you 😆👍

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Hey if you don't want to spend any more than 90 days in the shenzhen zone nobody will stop you 😆👍
We all can spend more than 90 days in the Schengen Zone each year; we can all use the 90 days in any 180 days Regs to achieve 180 days stay each year. Elaine is also an Irish Passport holder, so I can travel with her with very few limitations on timescales.

My original reply was pointing out the existing '90 days in any 180 days Regs to achieve 180 days stay' arrangements and the impracticality of expecting the EU to reopen negotiations with a Third Country whose Government has proclaimed its pride in ending Freedom of Movement, and whose Government holds a Parliamentary majority of some 80 seats. Why would either the EU or the UK Government be prepared to commit to the negotiations when the majority of tourism by number and spend is built around the Package Holiday?

Steve
 
I believe EU citizens can still come here for 6 months at a time.
Actually I believe there is nothing stopping an EU citizen from coming for 6 months, leaving for a few days and then coming back for another 6 months.
 
The 180 day for folks from usa , japan australia etc was i believe, our countys rule be for we left the EU ( if I am wrong , aplogises ) and we have not changed it.
Visitors from the EU have now fallen into our set of rules, as we fallen into their set of rules.

i hope the EU are able to change their rules for us to enjoy a continious 180 days , [but rather fear the NI issues will need to be resolved first.)😊
 
Surely GB/UK is a special case and deserves different treatment to the rest of the world
 
Elaine is also an Irish Passport holder, so I can travel with her with very few limitations on timescales

I am a new member and while reading back through some recent posts I came upon this

I am very interested in what you have said here as my wife and I also have a house in France and a motorhome. In our case, I have the Irish passport and my wife is the British citizen.

Have you tried staying over the 90 days? How did that work out on the next visit? Any information that you can impart would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks.
Keep safe,
Patrick

Would have used PM but can't find the "button" - probably not allowed as I am a new joiner!

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I am a new member and while reading back through some recent posts I came upon this

I am very interested in what you have said here as my wife and I also have a house in France and a motorhome. In our case, I have the Irish passport and my wife is the British citizen.

Have you tried staying over the 90 days? How did that work out on the next visit? Any information that you can impart would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks.
Keep safe,
Patrick

Would have used PM but can't find the "button" - probably not allowed as I am a new joiner!
It's the button at the top with an envelope symbol people tend to use the term pm but the button says conversation!
Welcome to the forum but with your Irish citizenship I don't think the restriction applies to you.
 
I am a new member and while reading back through some recent posts I came upon this

I am very interested in what you have said here as my wife and I also have a house in France and a motorhome. In our case, I have the Irish passport and my wife is the British citizen.

Have you tried staying over the 90 days? How did that work out on the next visit? Any information that you can impart would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks.
Keep safe,
Patrick

Would have used PM but can't find the "button" - probably not allowed as I am a new joiner!
As long as your wife is with you , you can both be in any EU country for as long as you like, there are no restrictions for the spouses of EU passport holders as long as you are travelling together, also if you decide to become a resident in any EU country , there is nothing stopping you, your spouse will get a residency visa based on the other half having a passport of a EU member state.
 
I am a new member and while reading back through some recent posts I came upon this

I am very interested in what you have said here as my wife and I also have a house in France and a motorhome. In our case, I have the Irish passport and my wife is the British citizen.

Have you tried staying over the 90 days? How did that work out on the next visit? Any information that you can impart would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks.
Keep safe,
Patrick

Would have used PM but can't find the "button" - probably not allowed as I am a new joiner!
You need to be a paid up member to use the PM facility. You are allowed 5 posts Free you then become a read only member.
 
I am a new member and while reading back through some recent posts I came upon this

I am very interested in what you have said here as my wife and I also have a house in France and a motorhome. In our case, I have the Irish passport and my wife is the British citizen.

Have you tried staying over the 90 days? How did that work out on the next visit? Any information that you can impart would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks.
Keep safe,
Patrick

Would have used PM but can't find the "button" - probably not allowed as I am a new joiner!
Hi Two left feet

My wife holds an Irish passport and I have a UK passport. Below is a response I received from the attached website. We have passed through the EU passport controls in Greece and Portugal without issue. My passport was stamped on both occasions which I fully expected. We are currently without a van and are flying and have kept all our paperwork to show we have a paper trail regarding entry, exit and duration of stay should it be needed. My expectation is to be questioned when leaving the Schengan area once they realise I have exceeded the 90/180. It is at this point I hope that my wife’s Irish passport, our paperwork, a copy of the text below and an agent who is aware of the process. Fingers crossed.

Official website of the European Union | European Union

European Union - Official website of the European Union
<Broken link removed> europa.eu

This is the reply I received:

Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.

A citizen of the UK does not, in principle, require a visa to travel for a short stay of no more than 90 days within any 180-day period in the Schengen area.

The fact that you reside with your Irish wife the UK is, on its own, not sufficient to waive the limits of the 90/180-days rule if you intend to travel on your own to a Schengen Member State.

However, if you are travelling with your wife to a Schengen country, or joining her in a Schengen country, the 90/180 days limitation does not apply. Accordingly, any stays in the Schengen area together with her will not be taken into account when you travel again on your own. Please be aware, however, that in this case you might need to have documentation to show when you were travelling with her and when you were not.

For further information, we recommend that you contact the authorities of the country you would like to travel to: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/embassies/index_en.htm

You can also find additional information here: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/brexit-travel-documents/index_en.htm

If you wish to remain in a given country for more than 3 months, both you and your wife may need to register your residence: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/index_en.htm

Please note that as Ireland is not part of the Schengen area and because your wife is an Irish citizen, this may not apply if you wish to travel together to Ireland.

For information on the Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK, please see: https://www.citizensinformation.ie/...n_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html

We hope you find this information useful. Please contact us again if you have other questions about the European Union, its activities or institutions.
 
Hi Two left feet

My wife holds an Irish passport and I have a UK passport. Below is a response I received from the attached website. We have passed through the EU passport controls in Greece and Portugal without issue. My passport was stamped on both occasions which I fully expected. We are currently without a van and are flying and have kept all our paperwork to show we have a paper trail regarding entry, exit and duration of stay should it be needed. My expectation is to be questioned when leaving the Schengan area once they realise I have exceeded the 90/180. It is at this point I hope that my wife’s Irish passport, our paperwork, a copy of the text below and an agent who is aware of the process. Fingers crossed.

Official website of the European Union | European Union

European Union - Official website of the European Union
<Broken link removed> europa.eu

This is the reply I received:

Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.

A citizen of the UK does not, in principle, require a visa to travel for a short stay of no more than 90 days within any 180-day period in the Schengen area.

The fact that you reside with your Irish wife the UK is, on its own, not sufficient to waive the limits of the 90/180-days rule if you intend to travel on your own to a Schengen Member State.

However, if you are travelling with your wife to a Schengen country, or joining her in a Schengen country, the 90/180 days limitation does not apply. Accordingly, any stays in the Schengen area together with her will not be taken into account when you travel again on your own. Please be aware, however, that in this case you might need to have documentation to show when you were travelling with her and when you were not.

For further information, we recommend that you contact the authorities of the country you would like to travel to: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/embassies/index_en.htm

You can also find additional information here: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/brexit-travel-documents/index_en.htm

If you wish to remain in a given country for more than 3 months, both you and your wife may need to register your residence: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/index_en.htm

Please note that as Ireland is not part of the Schengen area and because your wife is an Irish citizen, this may not apply if you wish to travel together to Ireland.

For information on the Common Travel Area between Ireland and the UK, please see: https://www.citizensinformation.ie/...n_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html

We hope you find this information useful. Please contact us again if you have other questions about the European Union, its activities or institutions.
Amazingly helpful Billylou - Thank you very much
Good luck with the passage back to the UK

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As Billylou has said above and as I have posted before. Travelling with and as the spouse of an EU citizen (passport holder) you can roam around the schengen area as you like.
However!
Most EU countries have a maximum period of stay before you need to apply for residency. Most I believe set this period as 90days. Check this for where you are going.
So to stay within the law you need to leave the country before this period ends but you may return 24hrs later and this starts the count again.
(In theory the spouse could do this 24hr period alone but unless you are fluent in the local language you may have difficulty in explaining what's going on when you return)
Hth
Bern
 
Brexit negotiations are, in essence, over, subject to the negotiations about the NI Protocol. UK is a Third Country that chose to leave the EU where Freedom of Travel for what was, in practical terms, possible for unlimited timescales. Why would the EU waste time setting up another Treaty [that UK can then use to reopen negotiations with the EU ...] to deal with the desires of a relatively small number of 2nd Home Owners and Motorhomers? [and I fall into both categories]? Third Country Nationals can visit EU countries for 180 days each year under the existing Regs, but not at convenient times for the 2nd Home Owners ...

And as for writing to your MP ... The UK Government boasts regularly about having ended Freedom of Movement, so good luck with that one whilst they have a majority of about 80

Steve
Negotiations are never over,,,financially the present legislation is a big financial hit for many Spanish and French business owners..BUSBY.
 

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