E-Scooter rider charged with causing death ...

[Minxy]

I hope they throw the book at the culprit and I suspect this case will be closely watched around the world.

MSN

 

[AndyPK]

….and nothing will change, I bet…!!

 

[meanders]

Those and the fat wheel electric bikes are a real nightmare in the pedestrianised town centre. Saw one last week riding straight for an elderly person a speed, swerved at the last minute but still caused her to fall over. Of course no sign of a policeman and someone on foot was never going to catch them. They should be stopped and put straight in a crusher.

 

[Richard n Ann]

They have them here in Benidorm but insurance is needed. I suppose they are no more dangerous than push bikes, how many people do push bikes kill a year?

 

[meanders]

4 pedestrians were killed and 185 were seriously injured by cyclists in 2023. I suggest that there are now more of these scooters on the roads than two years ago.

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[Nirvanauk]

They have them here in Benidorm but insurance is needed. I suppose they are no more dangerous than push bikes, how many people do push bikes kill a year?

I think they are a damn site more dangerous than push bikes as they can do 30+ mph and usually driven by idiots.

 

[Larby]

Of course no sign of a policeman and someone on foot was never going to catch them. They should be stopped and put straight in a crusher.

Blimey Robin, you are normally compassionate but putting the culprit in a crusher is unlike you

 

[meanders]

Very good Peter.

 

[Mike001]

They should be stopped and put straight in a crusher.

And their bikes also!

 

[EuroTrotters]

They should be restricted to roads

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[Ingwe]

They should be stopped and put straight in a crusher.

The bikes too, I presume…….

 

[Guigsy]

4 pedestrians were killed and 185 were seriously injured by cyclists in 2023. I suggest that there are now more of these scooters on the roads than two years ago.

I wonder how many people cars injure and kill? It's about 1000 times more.

Could probably solve both issues by making roads safer for all wheeled transport.

 

[Jo May]

The problem doesn't lie with the bikes or scooters per se, it's the morons who ride them.

 

[PP Bear]

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[Oldrat]

Reasons for proliferation

………………….. ( insert any offence type here)

Lack of enforcement
Minimal chance of being caught
No effective punishment if prosecuted

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[steve69]

I wonder how many people cars injure and kill? It's about 1000 times more.

Could probably solve both issues by making roads safer for all wheeled transport.

I don't recall many cars driving at speed on pavements. I know they are sometimes allowed through pedestrianised routes - slowly - but I feel that in this day and age, that could result in tragedy eventually. Too many nutters about.

 

[Silver-Fox]

I wonder how many people cars injure and kill? It's about 1000 times more.

Probably not so many on pavements though??

 

[dunnah01]

Reasons for proliferation

………………….. ( insert any offence type here)

Lack of enforcement
Minimal chance of being caught
No effective punishment if prosecuted

Couldn't give a $h1t attitude of scuzzy rider

 

[Two on Tour]

I don't recall many cars driving at speed on pavements.

Try watching some of the dashcam videos posted on Youtube and you will find many an idiot that uses the pavements and pathways rather than waiting in traffic.

 

[Guigsy]

I don't recall many cars driving at speed on pavements. I know they are sometimes allowed through pedestrianised routes - slowly - but I feel that in this day and age, that could result in tragedy eventually. Too many nutters about.

Plenty of cars drive on to the pavement. Plenty of cars speed even when there's bikes about. Plenty of cars will quite happily drive into a bike lane to avoid a queue or to pass a car turning right. What's the difference? Except cars are about 100 times heavier and more powerful.

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[Grey Fox]

Alcohol and E-Scooters combination are accidents waiting to happen, siting hire points outside bars and clubs just exasperates the problem.

 

[GJH]

I'm disappointed not to see a comment from anyone who bought an electric scooter with removable pedals at a motorhome show over the years.

 

[Jo May]

Alcohol and E-Scooters combination are accidents waiting to happen, siting hire points outside bars and clubs just exasperates the problem.

Yes, drugs too. Though I have no proof, there are 'a number' of de-limited e-bikes, ridden my blokes in hoodies / masks that zoom round here at substantial speed, 30 - 40 mph at least, 'delivering' goods. Ruining lives with wacky baccy (or others stuff) is big business and worth the odd risk.

 

[Guigsy]

Yes, drugs too. Though I have no proof, there are 'a number' of de-limited e-bikes, ridden my blokes in hoodies / masks that zoom round here at substantial speed, 30 - 40 mph at least, 'delivering' goods. Ruining lives with wacky baccy (or others stuff) is big business and worth the odd risk.

They aren't assisted bicycles. They're illegal motorbikes. Many of them weren't ever legal and many are literally motorbikes as they don't have cranks and pedals.

 

[Richard n Ann]

They aren't assisted bicycles. They're illegal motorbikes. Many of them weren't ever legal and many are literally motorbikes as they don't have cranks and pedals.

They just need insurance then

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[Guigsy]

They just need insurance then

They're not road legal. They need type approval/MOT, plates, drivers licence, insurance, motorcycle helmet and lights. They're not even close to being ebikes.

 

[TDub49]

They have them here in Benidorm but insurance is needed. I suppose they are no more dangerous than push bikes, how many people do push bikes kill a year?

Pause for thought - e-bikes, heavier and faster - therefore surely likely to be more dangerous than conventional bikes (unless the latter is being ridden by a Tour de France level athlete)?

 

[Richard n Ann]

They're not road legal. They need type approval/MOT, plates, drivers licence, insurance, motorcycle helmet and lights. They're not even close to being ebikes.

Oh yeah now you mention it. I think they are a great way to reduce emissions though, I'm surprised mad Ed hasn't promoted them. Also they are fun to ride, we hired 2 scooter things in Vichy France a few weeks ago

 

[TDub49]

A lot of "whataboutism" on this thread - often a sign of trying to defend the indefensible.

 

[Guigsy]

Pause for thought - e-bikes, heavier and faster - therefore surely likely to be more dangerous than conventional bikes (unless the latter is being ridden by a Tour de France level athlete)?

An ebikes is limited to 15 mph and 250 watts. It's designed to assist. If they're legal, they aren't any quicker than a fit normal person. I have no issues keeping up with my wife on her electric Brompton when I'm riding a manual one. There's lots of pressure to increase the power limit because 250w is pretty poor, especially if you're heavier, there's steep hills or it's a cargo bike. The current power limit was specifically chosen to be low so ebikes aren't significantly more dangerous.

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